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Jeep Grand Cherokee 2006 5.6l Hemi auto. - How compliant must I have been to use SOGA? - Tiptopp

My (from new) Grand Cherokee has served well, driving round town and pulling a little caravan a handful of times, for just over 41,000 miles and 51 months. Until two weeks ago.

We drove from Norwich to Brighton on Saturday and then round Brighton a little. In total, we went about 220 miles, with no issues. I parked on the road that night, and when I came to start the car in the morning, it refused to engage a gear of any sort (automatic). I called the AA, who ran diagnostics but could only reset warnings and get it into 'limp home' mode (3rd gear). They drove it round the block like this (a few hundred yards), and we came to the conclusion that it needed to be got to a garage.

We came home and the car was taken to a Brighton dealership. They have subsequently reported to me that, after changing the filters and fluids, they can still only engage 'limp home' and reverse, and that I need a new gearbox.

Clearly, I believe that a gearbox shouldn't go within this space of time or distance on any car, but especially a 5.6l off-roading towcar. It's not even serviced until 105,000 miles or 84 months, and then it only gets a filter and fluid change. A replacement box will cost £4,500 fitted.

I have started to challenge Jeep on this. I've had three responses:

Dealer from which I purchased the car - "We would submit a claim to Jeep for an OOW repair contribuition"

Dealer who has the car - "We won't submit a claim - you're outside of their criteria"

Jeep UK - "You're out of luck. Oh, but we'll look into it"

The reference to "outside of their criteria" is what worries me here. The criteria include a time-bound one (4 years - we're slightly over this) and a requirement that the car has been serviced exactly in line with their guidelines. They say it should have been serviced every 6 months or 7,500 miles. In the last two years, the car has been driven very little (we bought a new runaround), so hasn't been doing the mileage, but I also decided not to service it every six months. It has, however, been properly serviced 4 times by the selling dealer.

So to get to my two questions:

1 - Can Jeep (or the dealer who sold it to me) reject out of hand any claim, even in court, based on the fact that it hasn't been serviced exactly to their requirements, even though the "fit for purpose" rule clearly applies and the part still wouldn't have been serviced even had the car been?

2 - Is it likely that the selling dealer is much more willing to help at the moment because they know that, if they don't get Jeep to contribute, I'll win a court case against them which will cost them potentially a lot more?

Thanks,

Paul

Jeep Grand Cherokee 2006 5.6l Hemi auto. - How compliant must I have been to use SOGA? - Dutchie

Jeep or the dealer can reject a claim like you have said if the car hasn't been serviced to their requirements.

Out of goodwill they should replace the gearbox or go towards the payement of a new gearbox.I believe Toyota in these circumstances is much more forthcoming.

Why dealers or manufactures duck and dive in these circumstances I don't know.Its bad for customers relations and future customers.

Jeep Grand Cherokee 2006 5.6l Hemi auto. - How compliant must I have been to use SOGA? - Cymrogwyllt

presuming serviced four times instead of eight. in four years. PLease correct me if I;m wrong. By modern standards some manufacturers tend to over mentain (I accept it's a debatable point where fleet sales are considered) but you seem to have fallen foul of the six month specification. Do you really expect the company to pay the bill when you seem to have had it serviced half as often as reccommended?

I'm on 12 month 10k. I go on 12 month (miles are usually 8k) Far more damage caused with cold engines than hot so time matters just as much as miles. Unles of course you can show that the miles you have done have been long journeys only. Clutching at straws even then

Jeep Grand Cherokee 2006 5.6l Hemi auto. - How compliant must I have been to use SOGA? - Tiptopp
You are right - 4 services in 4 years and booked for another in a couple weeks. As it happens, most mileage has been long distance - Norwich to Scotland and Cornwall several times.

I suppose that my point is that the gearbox wouldn't have been looked at anyway in any service and should last a lot longer, so why should it matter in law that the engine hasn't been looked at?

I realise that I'm desparate and clutching at straws here, but I'm keen to understand the law as well as to get other peoples' experiences and points of view so that I can assess the options which appear to be:

1 - pay £4500 for a gearbox on a car which is barely worth that
2 - pay less than half to get it to an auto gearbox repair shop for a possible fix
3 - sell it as seen
4 - spend some time and a little money on the law to see if I can get at least a contribution.

Thanks again,

Paul

Paul
Jeep Grand Cherokee 2006 5.6l Hemi auto. - How compliant must I have been to use SOGA? - nortones2

The mfrs warranty may assert that certain steps/conditions have to be met, but if SOGA is to be invoked, they may not be relevant. Especially as the gearbox is not required to be serviced yet! Maybe the first thing to establish is what exactly is the fault. Not something I would trust a dealer to know, or to 'fess up to if they happened to find out.

Jeep Grand Cherokee 2006 5.6l Hemi auto. - How compliant must I have been to use SOGA? - miata

How often did you check the level of fluid in the transmission particularly in view of the lack of servicing.

Jeep Grand Cherokee 2006 5.6l Hemi auto. - How compliant must I have been to use SOGA? - Tiptopp
No - that's a funny one as well. The replacement is based on having replaced fluids and filters and not being able to get it to go into gear, plus some metal debris in the changed fluids. Not actual knowledge of what's happened inside. I'm thinking that I need to get the car back to Norwich. Anyone know of a company that transports cars for a decent price?!

Cheers

Paul
Jeep Grand Cherokee 2006 5.6l Hemi auto. - How compliant must I have been to use SOGA? - LucyBC
I don't believe Jeep has any responsibility and neither does the selling dealer. You have given them additional grounds to refuse "goodwill" by not meeting the service intervals. You're on your own. You have nothing to lose by getting a second opinion from a non-dealer gearbox specialist as to the fault so do so.
Jeep Grand Cherokee 2006 5.6l Hemi auto. - How compliant must I have been to use SOGA? - Tiptopp
Thanks. I thought that the law said that something had to last a reasonable amount of time and clearly jeep expects it to last a lot longer - hence it doesn't get serviced for another 60000 miles. Is that principle not more important than having the rest of the car serviced?

Maybe I'm getting confused between goodwill, where clearly each company will set their own rules, and any action possible under the sale of goods act. My basis is that the gearbox failed a long time before it should do, servicing requirements are irrelevant, so can I sue?

Regards

Paul
Jeep Grand Cherokee 2006 5.6l Hemi auto. - How compliant must I have been to use SOGA? - LucyBC
Its out of warranty so at best a goodwill case. Cars go wrong. You won't win in court
Jeep Grand Cherokee 2006 5.6l Hemi auto. - How compliant must I have been to use SOGA? - seess
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