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Ford Escort van T reg 99 55 1.8D - Lumpy cold start idle, stalling and hesitation!! - thunderfromdownunder

hi guys,

*admins - posted in Motoring discussion but later realised it belongs in technical matters

Im hoping you lot can help. I recently bought a escort van 1.8D on a t reg. Its pretty clean, and ive done 2k in just over 2months and she hasn't failed me yet (touchwood).

Ok first thing is i recently had it serviced (last staurday) and replaced oil and filters, air filter and fuel filter.

Ok from cold start it will fire after about 10 secs which i can live with, however once it starts it sound like a rotary engine and what i can only describe as lumpy!! if you dont give it some herbs it would simply just cut out, but i just rev (2-3k max) it for 20 secs and it seems fine.

Shes always a bit jerky while warming up (again i dont mind) however then i encounter my next problem, random stalling, only seems to happen after i have stopped and then try to start again (hate driving in builtup areas, using clutch all the time). Its also worth noting it only really happens in 1st and 2nd (ocassionaly 3rd).Never stalls when im crusing at 50-60 mph! When its about to stall, if i push the clutch in and try and rev it but does nothing, almost like its starving the engine of fuel, then all of a sudden it comes back to life.

Same thing when it hesitates....ive had to adapt my driving style becuase when i let the clutch out sometimes it like no power, so i ride clutch for a bit, then the revs pick up and then i can release the clutch fully and take off.

just a couple of other things to take into account..no signs of power loss, pulls well for a straight one eight d. It has brand new lifter pump, so would be suprised if it was leaking air (zip tied rubber glove over it, no difference) primer pump alway solid after 2 or 3 pumps. Have noticed diesel leak on fuel tank or lines not sure which havent had time to investigate.

mmm thats all i can think of atm, but hopefully somebody out there can help me :-)))

Thinking it might be a fuel starving problem but not sure where or how or what to test etc, not sure if fuel pump is dodgy or soemthing??

Thanks in advance

Joff

Ford Escort van T reg 99 55 1.8D - Lumpy cold start idle, stalling and hesitation!! - injection doc

there is a black plastic fuel pipe with a tiny valve halfway along that often gives cause for concern, about £18.00 from ford its a possibility this can cause issues.

i would recommend you investigate the fuel laek at rear.

cam belt timing needs to be spot on.

Ford Escort van T reg 99 55 1.8D - Lumpy cold start idle, stalling and hesitation!! - Peter.N.

I'm not sure what sort of fuel injection pump you have being a later engine but the earlier ones have a couple of electrical connections to them, one is a cold start advance feed, if this wire is disconnected or has no voltage, it will give the symptoms you have. As I said I am not sure that this is the pump you have but if it is you can check the operation of the pump by applying 12 volts to the lead coming from the pump.

Ford Escort van T reg 99 55 1.8D - Lumpy cold start idle, stalling and hesitation!! - injection doc

good point Peter, usually they smoke pretty acrid whitish ( hayes) when cold when the advance solonoid has failed

Ford Escort van T reg 99 55 1.8D - Lumpy cold start idle, stalling and hesitation!! - thunderfromdownunder

hey guys,

Thanks for the very useful information so far..and aplogies for the delayed reply (12hour days and no tinkering time!!)

So last night when i got home, I opened the bonnet while the engine was running, she had only cut out on me once on the way home. So i was looking for the black valve you mentioned, think its a non return valve? Any how..when i moved and disturbed the pipe (between the output of the fuel filter to the pump) the engine started to cough and splutter, then just cut out...i was happy with this...a starting point !!

So this morning i removed the black pipe and replaced it with a clear pipe...Can now see the problem, think the primer is leaking air, as there is looooooooads of air bubbles in the line, and when it stalls, there is no fuel coming out of the fuel filter, hence starving the engine.

Or does this point to the fuel pump not sucking hard enough? Not to sure if there is a pump connected to the sender unit in the tank?? Please bear in mind i still have a leak somewhere near the fuel tank i need to sort, which im guessing isnt helping matters, and might even be the cause??

Thanks for all your help so far, ill let ya know what happens :-)

Joff

Ford Escort van T reg 99 55 1.8D - Lumpy cold start idle, stalling and hesitation!! - thunderfromdownunder

Peter - Sorry forgot to mention im not to sure how to use a multimetre so cant test the 12v on the pump, but i know plenty of peeps that do!!So will let you know what happens Thanks for the help so far ;-)

Ford Escort van T reg 99 55 1.8D - Lumpy cold start idle, stalling and hesitation!! - jc2

There is no pump in the sender unit-this system relies on fuel being sucked thro' by the injection pump.Hence the reason air enters the system at the slightest leak.

Edited by jc2 on 25/11/2010 at 14:50

Ford Escort van T reg 99 55 1.8D - Lumpy cold start idle, stalling and hesitation!! - thunderfromdownunder

Ok Thanks for the info, will let you know the outcome. Just another quick question...My fuel guage on the dash has about 1/4 tank play in the read, somethimes when its on 1/2 tank all of a sudden it will drop to a 1/4 etc, then slowly climb back up. Just wondering if this might be related to the leak at the back. I ve got a chance of buy a second hand fuel tank with a brand new sender unit at a decent price. Would anything else cause erratic fuel gauge readings.

Again, Thanks in advance. :-)))

Joff

Ford Escort van T reg 99 55 1.8D - Lumpy cold start idle, stalling and hesitation!! - thunderfromdownunder
Just an update..

Got fuel tank and new sender unit will get this replaced, going to install new fuel line as the air leak has to be in old ones. I put clear tube on line that goes into fuel filter, and it still had bubbles in it, so the line has to be the problem...Also point out she's currently not running :-(...this snow hasnt helped, it will start but only run for 10-15 secs max then airlock and die. I reckon after new tank, sender and lines "she'll be rite ;-)"

Will let ya's know what happens
Ford Escort van T reg 99 55 1.8D - Lumpy cold start idle, stalling and hesitation!! - thunderfromdownunder
Still haven't managed to get new tank on yet, but I definitely know what the issue is now.

Before I changed the tank and lines I wanted to be 100% that was the problem, as i didn't want to go to all that trouble for the problem to still exist.

So with the clear line still between lift pump and fuel pump, I removed the fuel heater pipe off the input to lift pump and replaced it with another clear pipe going to a 5lt jerry can (bit dangerous but do this at your own risk!). Bleed the system, she fired up first time and ran sweet as. no air whatsoever in fuel line...Been out today and bought new fuel line (90p per foot from local auto spare).

Just gotta replace fuel tank/sender and lines and ill be back on the road :-)

Thanks for ya help peeps

Ford Escort van T reg 99 55 1.8D - Lumpy cold start idle, stalling and hesitation!! - hezza

been having the same problems with n reg escort van. in the morning she will start and rev, then die which results in much engine turning over until she fires up again, then when driving sudden loss of power in any gear and lumpy running particularly at low to half throttle. the garage said this was due to a leak in the fuel return line and suggested a non return valve.i pointed out that this would only solve the morning starting difficulties. so we replaced the lift pump. no joy. so as a last gasp effort i dropped the fuel tank, lo and behold the out take pipe on the fuel sender unit was full of corrosion and holes. checked inside the tank as far as i could with a mirror and torch, no holes despite the rust on the outside. ford wanted £70 for a sender unit f*** that, found one at kitspares.co.uk listed as a sierra fuel sender, £20. fitted, working, problem solved. you would not believe the corrosion on top of the fuel tank, still nothing new there from a ford!!!!!!