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Ford Mondeo - 2001 Mondeo 2.0tddi - various/related problems? - chim289

Hi, our car has recently developed a problem/ several problems that have stumped us.

We've always been a bit conscious that the timing isn't quite as we'd expect it to be, ecu has been reset which solves the problem but only for a few weeks/months. Last week the car started bunny hopping away from lights having been running fine for the past hour. We were only a few hundred yards from home luckily. The next day we went out in the car, seemed fine, running ok until we got onto the motorway when it started running badly. We managed to limp up to the next junction. To start with the car wouldn't go over 2000rpm, really surging before going into limp mode. Managed to roll up slip road but as lights were on red then had to wind it forward on starter motor to get off hte road.

The car was turning over but not firing, breakdown couldn't get it started so we waited for the recovery vehicle. That arrived to tow us, but then the car started. Drove it home (not on m'way), to begin with ran really badly, wouldn't go over 2000rpm but a few miles down the road the problem suddenly cleared and was running perfectly. We took the car out that night to test it - no probs. Same the following day when we went to get parts.

We changed the fuel filter, the old filter was all clean, nothing in the diesel whatsoever, injectors all under lots of pressure. We also changed the crankshaft sensor which was covered in iron filings (DMF?). Once done we took the car out, ran better than ever, so put it down to the sensor being covered in filings.

Took into garage to replace DMF, but told that it didn't need changing, but driveshaft was badly worn. That has been replaced and while they took the car out to test it started running lumpy, they got it back to garage and it wouldn't start. Wouldn't start yesterday, so we towed it home. After a bit of fiddling about the car we got the car started.

The car has a timing issue whereby it idles fine, but as you go up through the revs you reach approx 1500rpm and there is a really bad vibration (another thing that makes us suspect DMF on its way out), you get past that then at 2000rpm it rattles terribly, and surges until you get to about 2500rpm then all fine. If you hold it at 2000rpm the needle bounces between 1750 & 2000.

Confused, it's a 9yr old car, how much money do you throw at it before you give up? Main questions:

1. Does it sound like DMF has gone/is going?

2. Why else would there be metal filings on crank sensor?

3. Why the timing issue?

4. Could it be throttle sensor problem?

5, If fuel pump problem (have read quite a few threads on this and other forums) would injectors still be under pressure?

6. Problems with surging seem to be when turbo comes in, could it be fuel pump problem that is only evident when you the turbo starts pulling more fuel through?

Thanks

Ford Mondeo - 2001 Mondeo 2.0tddi - various/related problems? - injection doc

has it actually had a proper diagnostic check with live data readings for fuel pressures etc when its playing up or in a non start ?

Unless these vital checks are carried out its all guess work. Have the injector codes been checked as when they wander they cause rough and noisey running and rough running at 1150/1750 and 2250 rpm.

The wiring to the fuel pressure sensors tends to fail and could cause intermitant issues you discribe.has the fuel system been check for contamination ?

On a mondeo there are many causes so a good diag check with soemone who understands the system is 1st port of call.

Ford Mondeo - 2001 Mondeo 2.0tddi - various/related problems? - chim289

Thanks, none of the above have been done, purely because from what we've read over the last week or so Ford rarely seem to have an answer besides spending tonnes of money on random things that don't fix it. We were speaking to a mechanic a few days ago who had someone in with one, having spent £3000 at Ford & various diesel specialists and was still none the wiser.

We really don't want to take it to Ford, for them to put it on their computers, not know what's wrong and pay several hundred pound for the privelege.

Also, we've read that the tddi's injectors aren't coded. Is that wrong?

Ford Mondeo - 2001 Mondeo 2.0tddi - various/related problems? - injection doc
dealers are not always best apart from stealing lots of money by the hour as they are accountant controlled and bonus related.
find a good indy who is confident or a diesel specialist & yes the injectors are coded.
its the 1.6tdci injectors that are not coded but the ECU learns them
Ford Mondeo - 2001 Mondeo 2.0tddi - various/related problems? - Collos25

The problem as you describe it sounds like a cam shaft sensor fault not too expensive and easy to fit.If this does not cure it I would look at the EGR valve make sure its operating and clean if its not been cleaned in its life by now its choked up,vacuum operated on this model I think.The next place is the coil(s)breaking down easy to replace and again not very expensive and last ly the fuel pump acting up If these does not cure it then you are into expensive items such as the turbo,diesel pump etc.

Ford Mondeo - 2001 Mondeo 2.0tddi - various/related problems? - jc2

Surely a 2001 Mondeo is mechanical injection not electronic-therefore injectors won't be coded.Filings on the crankshaft sensor do suggest impending flywheel failure.

Ford Mondeo - 2001 Mondeo 2.0tddi - various/related problems? - chim289

Thanks for all your replies.

injection doc - I've rang around a few places today, can only find one diesel specialist and I didn't like him!!! They charge £75 + vat for diagnostics, called Ford, who were actually incredibly helpful! They also charge £75 + vat for the same diagnostics and basically told me not to go in unless car was a non-runner as they probably wouldn't get any codes, so surprisingly quite impressed with them.

Andy - the di's don't have a cam sensor, the egr valve has been blanked off, and no coil as it's a diesel. We're really hoping it's not the fuel pump and someone has a magic solution!!

jc2 - that's what we had read about these Mondeos, also thanks for confirming our worries about flywheel.

It's currently running ok as long as you stay below 1800 rpm or above 2500 rpm (minus the massive vibration at 1500 rpm)!!!

Ford Mondeo - 2001 Mondeo 2.0tddi - various/related problems? - jc2

IIRC the module on these basically only controls EGR and little else;the timing is controlled by the crankshaft sensor(no camshaft sensor) and by a sensor fitted to an injector(normally #3).

Ford Mondeo - 2001 Mondeo 2.0tddi - various/related problems? - Collos25

The coil was a senior moment and as JC2 points out I meant crankshaft sensor.

Ford Mondeo - 2001 Mondeo 2.0tddi - various/related problems? - Collos25

Wait a minute they do have a camshaft sensor its listed as spare part and there are umpteen sites selling them plus plenty of discussion on the Ford forums regarding their failure.

Ford Mondeo - 2001 Mondeo 2.0tddi - various/related problems? - chim289

Definitely no cam sensor on this one. We were unsure as there's conflicting advice all over the net, but asked for a price when phoning round for parts and all the motor factor shops we called confirmed there wasn't one for our car.

We took the MAF sensor off last night and that's all clean, is there any way of testing if that needs replacing?

Is it possible for the issues be caused by a failing flywheel? I'm guessing that as soon as the car is driven there are metal filings being sucked up onto the crank sensor, hence why it ran fine with a new, clean one on there, but now it's been driven, it's covered again in turn throwing the timing out. Are there any other checks we can do on the dmf ourselves?

I just don't want to spend any money on diagnostics if at all possible.

Ford Mondeo - 2001 Mondeo 2.0tddi - various/related problems? - Collos25

You need a good clutch specialist my experience is they either work or they don't but if it does explode there is a fair chance it will take the bell housing with it and probably the gearbox not unheard of,don't forget when replacing the unit you can fit an ordinary flywheel and clutch at a much cheaper price.

Edited by Andy Bairsto on 06/11/2010 at 08:48