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Disabled access into cars - PMc

I currently have a V-Reg Vectra with bucket-type seats. I am looking for a replacement car that has the seats a bit higher off the ground to allow my disabled wife easier access into and out of the car but not so high that she can't get in. Any thoughts on a) what car would be good for this, b) how to "try out" a car first and c) which type of car (auto / manual) would give the smoothest ride / suspension so my wife doesn't get car sick.

Disabled access into cars - b308

Speaking from experience (my wife is disabled and has to transfer from the wheelchair into the car), there is only one answer to the question of access and that is to go out with her and try as many as you can. There is no way you will be able to "tell" by looking at them or trying them yourself, it needs to be your other half who tries them!!

You have not said if you are buying new or secondhand, obviously you should go to the dealer if new or a s/h dealer if s/h! Many people who don't know about such things assume that all disabled people need "higher" access and therefore insist that such things as taxis are of the MPV/Black Cab variety, but a large %ge of disabled people find these vehicles absolutely u/s!

One other thing to look for is height adjustable seats, my Roomster has them (as does my X reg Princess!) but they are not all that common, so you will probably have to ask the dealer - personally I'd put that down as a must-have, it makes things a lot easier for her.

As regards suspension, don't choose the sporty version as the seats probably won't be suitable nor the hard ride!

Edited by b308 on 16/08/2010 at 12:12

Disabled access into cars - ablandy

HJ always used to rave about the Ford C- Max for ease of getting into the seats.

Disabled access into cars - bintang

He also used to recommend Toyota Yaris. Though they look a bit low they certainly give me (arthritic) easy access.

When recovering from a double knee replacement, I found a plastic shopping bag on the seat made twisting from sideways access to forward facing very easy.

Disabled access into cars - b308

Ablanby and Bintang, as I said in my post all disabled people are different, as there are lots of different disablities which will mean differnt levels of mobility, some may be able to get into a higher vehicle, some (like my wife) need an ordinary height vehicle... with all due respect to HJ, he ain't disabled, so what might be easy for him doesn't translate into the world of the disabled! For instance most people would find it easy getting in and out of a large MPV with sliding rear doors, SWMBO finds them the most difficult!

Therefore, as I said, best advice is to take the disabled person along and get them to test all the suitable vehicles, it may be that one is ok, but they won't know until they try! I'd suggest that they start at a dealer which has a selection of 4x4s (high level entry), MPVs (same, but not as high) and ordinary (mondeo sized cars) and small ones, that way she can try one of each, see which is easiest and then can narrow down the most suitable "type" of car...

No disrespect, m8, but it is really one of those "try it and see" scenarios and not something where we can just chuck car makes and models at him, much as I'd like to...

Perhaps when she's tried a few and he can tell us what type was best we can give some more concrete suggestions?

Edited by b308 on 16/08/2010 at 15:32

Disabled access into cars - veryoldbear

Generally worth avoiding any model with "sport" in the title. They tend to have so-called "sport" seats which are more difficult to swivel into / out of, and also tend to have large wheels / stiffer suspension which do not make for a comfortable ride.

Disabled access into cars - ablandy

with respect to the slightly grumpy b308, the OP asked for a car with higher seats but not too high. Therefore i suggested the c-max, as one they can try. I didnt for a minute think he was going to order one just on the back of my forum suggestion.

And disabled means many many different things and of course each one leads to specific requirements. So of course they need to look, but the OP has asked for advice at what cars to look at. I think I did that.

Disabled access into cars - b308

I wasn't being grumpy, but having just pointed out the reasons we couldn't realistically give him any specific suggestions at this point, it surprised me that someone came along and did just that! He said "higher seat" but what is that? My Roomster has height adjustable seats but normal height car, the CMax from the one I've seen has a higher level entry which is different to higher seats... we don't know what the OP's other half's mobility restrictions are other than she can't get into a bucket seat... so how can we make suggestions until we know more detail?

Anyhow I've made my suggestion to the OP, and the reasons why. If he chooses to pick cars at random then its his choice, I just hope he takes her along to try them out first! ;-)

Disabled access into cars - Dutchie

My wife is disabled we have got the ford focus previous car honda jazz .She is very happy with the seats and getting in and out of the car.We tryd different cars and it was her decision to get the focus .Saleslady went out of her way to help.

Disabled access into cars - madf

Motability?

Disabled access into cars - Dutchie

Yes madf its a motability car.

Disabled access into cars - Gordon17

One thing to consider is door openings. My late father in law was wheelchair bound for the last few years of his life and one thing that we found made access easier, when transferring from wheelchair to car, was big wide doors. I bought a 3 door Almera as the doors on the 3 door open much wider than the front doors of a 5 door.

Disabled access into cars - Avant

As well as suitable seats, you need doors that open 'high' as well as wide. The Jazz and Yaris score well here as the doors are tall and you haven't got to bend down too low to avoid hitting your head.

But as has been said, disabilities vary hugely and the only solution is to keep trying cars until you find those that are fit for purpose. If you ask 'what to try first' I'd suggest:

- Honda Jazz

- Ford C-Max

- Toyota Yaris or Verso

- Vauxhall Agila or Zafira.

Disabled access into cars - b308

As well as suitable seats, you need doors that open 'high' as well as wide.

Not always, the "tall doors" is more difficult for my wife because she uses the grab handle above the door to help her in and out and to get comfortable... a high roof line is the last thing she needs... I still think the best bet is a s/h dealer who has a selection of cars in the groups I mentioned before... Its irrelevent which makes/models at this stage as its just a question of finding out which is suitable... Then they can look round for a suitable car, perhaps one of those mentioned earlier...

I'm sorry to keep posting, but as the Carer to a disabled person, I really do think it important that before they start looking at specific cars they actually find out what sort of vehicle is suitable... So I feel strongly that by reccomending specific cars we are putting the cart before the horse... I know from experience that it is most important that the right car is found, but to do that you have to go back to basics before you start looking at specific models...

Anyhow I'll shut up now, as I've had my say and its up to the OP if he takes my advice or not.

Disabled access into cars - Dutchie

b308 Your advice is excellent we found that the car we have now is comfy for my wife like you say to the op try what suites.

Disabled access into cars - Avant

No need to apologise, b308: you have real-life experience of the problem and that's got to be the best sort of advice. Many thanks.

Disabled access into cars - b308

Thanks folks... Perhaps we could persuade the OP to come back and tell us what sort of vehicles he found suited her best and we can then suggest specific cars with those attributes?

Over to you, PMc!

Edited by b308 on 18/08/2010 at 10:19

Disabled access into cars - exmttech

Toyota Yaris Verso brilliant especially the automatic.

Disabled access into cars - MJJ

I have read with the interest the posts on disabled cars.

Ideally one should take ones spouse to see and try cars,but that is not always possible.

My wife is at the moment is house bound and has very short legs and arms and a height of 4 ft..11ins. At the moment I have a Corsa,which my wife cannot get into, as although low is to high for her,even using a swivel seat she cannot get access. So I have to take a measuring tape to ensure that it is the correct height,but I have not tried the Toyota Yaris.

I thank you all for you all for your various comments , they have been most helpful.

MJ

Disabled access into cars - Steveieb

The MK1 Toyota Verso as suggested is the obvious choice with a wide opening sideways rear door for easy stowing of the wheelchair/ scooter.

Postman Pat looks and described by Clarkson as the worlds ugliest car it excels in other ways.

Chosen as Which magazines all time most reliable car at 91% result , it’s a worthy contender especially in the TC auto form !

Disabled access into cars - badbusdriver

As brilliant and reliable as they are, I'm not sure the Yaris Verso would have even been the obvious choice 14 years ago when this thread was started, never mind now. Back then, it may only have been 4 years since they went out of production, but they were never a big seller in the UK due to the unconventional looks so wouldn't be that easy to find.

Fast forward to now and there are 11 nationwide on Autotrader. Remove the insurance write-offs and that drops to 8. Want something with under 100k miles?, that leaves 5 (though 4 of them are auto)!

As for the side hinged rear door, I can't see why it would make any difference at all to the loading of a wheelchair or scooter, it is the very low loading floor height that makes it easy. Having that side hinged rear door means you need much more space behind you to open it and it also means that if you are parked on the "wrong" side of the road, access into the boot is very awkward indeed.

We had a Ford Fusion and I remember reading how much effort Ford had put in making the Fusion easier to access for those with reduced mobility (I think this also applied to the original C-Max). It had seats which were higher than normal (but not excessively so), very wide opening doors, and (like the Yaris Verso) a very low loading height into the boot. But the Fusion, while not as old as the Yaris Verso, is also getting on with the very youngest being 12 years old.

Disabled access into cars - VengaPete

As has been said, you can't beat trying them as it isn't just seat height, you have to think about things like how far in the seat is, does it have raised bolsters, does the sill height or thickness make a difference. If Auto, is it smooth changing or is it an automated manual with a harsh change.

There is a disabled friendly website which gives some information:-

www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/car...h

My wife is severely mobility disabled below hip and we have a Kia Venga as the doors open wide and the seat height suits her. However I will say the ride is quite firm so if you need a softer ride, the Hyundai ix20 is the sister car and rides softer.

Having been in your position around what to get for disability needs, it does seem manufacturers obsession with SUV's really killed the MPV market which provided many suitable disability options.

Also a left field idea might be an import Toyota Estima. My father in law had the Previa (which was the Uk version before we went all SUV) and these really float over bumps but the trade off is that cornering is a bit wallowy (ie: it ain't no sports car!)

We are considering one of these when we need to change the Venga but have reservations about getting glass and body panels being an import although my understanding is the mechanicals are quite easy to source in the UK.

Disabled access into cars - alan1302

Having been in your position around what to get for disability needs, it does seem manufacturers obsession with SUV's really killed the MPV market which provided many suitable disability options.

Yes, had that problem recently - we have a Vauxhall Combo Life at the moment via Motability but it's getting harder for my to get in and out of and it's already on an extended lease so have been looking about and there is very little that suitable as it needs to be easy to get in and out but also needs to have a large enough boot opening to get an electric wheelchair in and out on ramps...so not a huge choice but have decided on a Dacia Jogger, which hopefully will arrive sometime next month.

Disabled access into cars - Bromptonaut

I'd really want to try the car with the person with disabled issue, even if it was part of a test drive, before committing thousands of pounds.

My Mother, later in her life, had serious mobility issues and walked, or rather shuffled, with a frame.

Her technique for getting into a car was to walk backward until her calves touched the door cill. She'd then drop her backside onto the seat and swivel herself around, knees together in the style ladies of her generation were taught so as not to show their stocking tops.

Worked fine in our 2005 Berlingo and also a Skoda Roomster. However in the 2013 Berlingo we got later the distance from cill to seat was too wide. She was in danger of missing it and ending up on her backside in the road. Same both front & rear.