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DRLs - hillman

Re. HJs answer to DB Peterborough on the purpose of fog-lights in the Telegraph on 5 th Aug.

The BR members are often scathing of the use of fog-lights at all hours of the day and night. They are basically a styling feature. How often do we get fog nowadays ? Remembering the ‘smog’ of my youth days, fog lights were pretty useless then too.

If the acronym DRL refers to ‘Daytime Running Lights’, then I became accustomed to DRLs when I owned a Volvo 440. Since then I have my dipped headlights permanently switched on. – if only because I because I then don’t forgot to switch the lights on at dusk.

But, relying on DRLs can have dangers if one does not switch the headlights on.

Are there any safeguards to remind the driver of the new cars with DRLs to switch on the headlights ? Indeed, what form do the DRLs on the new cars take ?

I have known people who refuse to use headlights in areas with good street lighting because they can see very well and regard their sidelights as adequate to be seen by pedestrians. That may be OK on dry nights, but on gloomy nights when the roads are wet after rain the effect is quite different. The sidelights on an oncoming car can be indistinguishable from the reflections on the road surfaces of streetlights and all of the other lighting around the road. The wet car can also reflect street lights, especially so when the car colour is dark. When turning out from a side road I’ve once or twice had to brake sharply when I realised that a dark coloured car with sidelights only was approaching fast and close.

P.S. Can I suggest that Shaun the Sheep be nominated as new Minister for Transport ? He is the candidate most likely to sort things out !

DRLs - colinh
"...How often do we get fog nowadays ?"

About every other day in some parts of Europe - this is 1130h in mid-August locally.

www.panoramio.com/photo/25616128
DRLs - hillman

That's a very pretty picture, but I wrote fog. Perhaps because it's so rare nowadays mist is mistaken for it.

DRLs - colinh
"Fog is distinguished from mist only by its density, as expressed in the resulting decrease in visibility: Fog reduces visibility to less than 1 km, whereas mist reduces visibility to no less than 1 km but less than 2 km. For aviation purposes in the UK, a visibility of less than 2 km but greater than 999 m is considered to be mist if the relative humidity is 95% or greater - below 95% haze is reported"

I assure you the local visibility is frequently below 1km
DRLs - hillman

Ouch, that's technical !

I spent time in Seoul, Korea, where the traffic, together with the terrain, produce what the locals call 'Smog'. A lot of the locals wear cloth masks, and the policemen on points duty have a light sabre like Luke Skywalker. But, even at dusk visibility is better that 200 metres. Compare that to the smog that we used to get in the UK before the clean air act. Then it was difficult to cross the street because you couldn't see the other kerb. I have riden my m/c combination through Manchester followed by a convoy of buses, lorries and cars. When I was at school I and a schoolfriend ran either side of a newspaper delivery van holding onto the wingmirrows and shouting instructions to the driver as he delivered his load. I don't think that Health & Safety would countenance that now.

DRLs - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

My Skoda has DRL 'permanently' on.

The only de facto reminder to me is that the panel lights are not on and the instruments would become difficult to read unless I switched the parking or headlights on.

DRLs - hillman

I saw a car in a car park about noon where the foglights were on while the occupants were getting out and unfolding their child's trolley. I also think that I saw something about the lights remaining on for a period when arriving home a night to facilitate movement on dark driveways. It seems a good idea. Has anybody got that on their car ?

DRLs - Dutchie

We have on our car the lights stay on for a period of time,i haven't used it yet.What inpresses me is that the head lights come on automatic when its get dark.I have never been a believer in sidelights in driving conditions.I rather put the head lights on when needed.