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Any - Possible accident scam - aulusplautius
Hi, Yesterday, I was driving at about 20mph on the near side of a suburban main road in bright daylight when a K-reg Audi seemingly waiting on the offside to join the traffic suddenly turned left sideways just eight or nine yards in front of me and stopped. No way to avoid him. I applied full ABS brakes but just slightly hit his rear nearside. He claimed to be pulling in to his house situated on a parallel service road with joining openings at intervals. My car has slight superficial paint damage, repairable with a touch-up at home. His car however had a long severe dent along the near side (but with no paint of my colour that I noticed). His dent did not match my rounded virtually undamaged front wing in any way.
We exchanged names, addresses and insurers. He was quite heated and blamed me, pointing out his damage, but as he was much taller and younger than I, I said little. His insurer was Tradex, which I see is for car dealers, taxis, couriers etc. Is it likely this is an attempt at insurance fraud, and what are my options? He and I were both alone in our cars, with no other witnesses who stopped. I phoned the police, who did not want to be involved at this point. I phoned my own insurer's agent, who will get their investigative branch to look into it. I photographed my car. I am sure that the Audi was already damaged and that there will be a claim on me, supported by false statements. Has anyone a similar experience? I believe that there is a scam of this type, for which some people were sent to prison, but usually at roundabouts and with "witnesses" in the offender's car. This sort of thing is upsetting and I would be glad of advice.
Any - Possible accident scam - LucyBC

I am not clear on the circumstances. Did he pull across your path and you crashed into him or did you just run into the back of him as he suddenly turned left?

Old damage is relatively easy to spot and your accident investigator should pick up on any previous damage and it should be excluded from any claim - if there is a claim against you.

Whether it is be a scam or not?

I don't currently have enough information to express an opinion but insurance scams don't usually involve a disputed manoeuvre leading to a damage-only claim on an old car where there are no witnesses.

Any - Possible accident scam - Dwight Van Driver

Ethnic origin of the driver???????

dvd

Any - Possible accident scam - aulusplautius

I am not clear on the circumstances. Did he pull across your path and you crashed into him or did you just run into the back of him as he suddenly turned left? Old damage is relatively easy to spot and your accident investigator should pick up on any previous damage and it should be excluded from any claim - if there is a claim against you. Whether it is be a scam or not? I don't currently have enough information to express an opinion but insurance scams don't usually involve a disputed manoeuvre leading to a damage-only claim on an old car where there are no witnesses.

Hi, Lucy BC. He suddenly pulled across the road just in front of me and stopped. In over 50 years driving I have not seen anything like it. His considerable damage was still bright metal, but could have been two or three weeks old. His attitude did not encourage me to look closely. My "damage" is small paint chips. If an assessor gets a look at both cars, my chances ought to be good. I quite agree that the lack of witnesses (so far!!) is curious for a scam, but surely many scams of this type would involve a disputed manoeuvre? To the other reply, there were no ethnic considerations. Thanks for your interest. --- Aulusplautius

Any - Possible accident scam - concrete

Sorry to hear of your experience. It is a pity you felt so threatened by this persons behaviour. However a lesson for the future is always carry a digital camera and batteries in your car. It is amazing how it alters peoples attitude when they see that events are to be recorded. But who could possibly object to a simple record of events or damage for future reference? If anyone did object then obviously there is something amiss, but they cannot stop you anyway, especially on the public highway. Good luck with this matter. Concrete

Any - Possible accident scam - aulusplautius

I can now give the outcome of this incident. I sent full details of the incident to my insurance agent, with a diagram and photos of my car with its two little paint chips, giving reasons for my virtual certainty that this was an intentional collision. There was a sensible reply. Some days later, I had a letter from a firm of solicitors stating intention to claim for damage to the Audi (presumably would be a write-off, so cash), lost time, and hire car. I was accused of going too fast and not braking adequately (both entirely untrue). I sent the letter to my insurance agent without replying to it. After about four weeks, I had a phone call from my insurance agent saying that the Audi driver had withdrawn from the case and my NCB was intact. So everything is nuw OK apart from the trouble and worry, and I have touched in my little paint chips! It was actually quite interesting, though, he could have no witness with him in the car, by the way, as his pre-existing damage was by the passenger door. Also, he was probably not the car owner as he was unsure of "his" address, I suppose the owner would do the paperwork while the driver did the action bit.

Any - Possible accident scam - LucyBC
We are getting a number of these when there was no actual impact. The claim is made for a minor figure - usually less than £1000. The claim is often made through a solicitor and there is a picture of the other car "driving away". Often there is a "witness".

The way they work is the insurer just want shut of any minor claim as cheaply as possible and so settles - often without consent. Once they have an admission of liability from the insurer they make a personal injury claim supported by a medical report - which is almost impossible to fight once liability has already been conceded.

I would be very interested to hear of any similar cases:
lucy.bonhamcarter@autolaw.co.uk
Any - Possible accident scam - motherof3

Back in January we received a visit from a local PC at 11:30 on a Sat night, advising my husband his car had been in a collision the week before and that he had left the scene. This was news to us, although my husband HAD been in next town at the time and date in question. The PC inspected the car and agreed that it was pristine and obviously hadn't been in an accident.

We then received a letter from Direct Line, third party insurer, advising they were claiming from us. We reported to our insurer, Churchill.
We have received letter and documents from "COGENT LAW, Part of the Parabis Group" which we have forwarded to Churchill.

Today Churchill advised they may have our vehicle inspected, which we welcome, but part of me fears our car being damaged as part of this scam, as it's parked outside our house on main road, third party knows our address and lives not far away.

What does third party hope to gain from this?

Many thanks

Any - Possible accident scam - nortones2

Hopefully you will have taken a set of photographs, dated and timed, to show the current pristine condition of your car.

Any - Possible accident scam - Vitesse6

You also have the evidence of the police officer who inspected your car when he visited you.

Any - Possible accident scam - motherof3

Yes, of course you're both right, but the third party knows this as well; so why is he doing it?

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Any - Possible accident scam - happy polo

Sorry to hear that you've been an intended victim of low-life, dishonest, money grabbing scum. Just remember that you also have their address....