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bought a car. Ripped off. - sometimes_

I recently had need to purchase a car. The reason was to enable me to keep working and functioning as a productive member of society, as long as possible whilst I undergo what could be a lengthy period of hospital treatment.

I only earn a minimum wage, my partner is a mature student, so money is tight. We could not afford anything from a garage or dealer, new or nearly new. We were not willing to take credit either in these uncertain times, only a fool would have granted it us anyway, so we did not bother looking down that road.

To cut a long story short, we purchased one off ebay on the 4 th Feb 2010, from what appeared to be a private seller in the Lancashire area. We did everything we thought was correct, we asked lots of questions and we purchased from the sellers home. It was advertised with full service history, and in very good condition with only 63000 miles.

The car is a Vauxhall Vectra, 2003 ‘53’ plate 2.2 automatic. after only one month and 1000 miles at the beginning of March the automatic gearbox failed resulting in a repair costing £2000 minimum. The car had been purchased for £2300, so this failure has effectively written the car off leaving us obviously in a horrible position, without our money, without transport, and with a useless car outside which we can no way afford to repair.

anyway, a few days after the breakdown, an online friend took a look at the seller’s ebay feedback page and told me to email him and complain as he may be a trader, either full or part time. It was at this point that I began looking into the seller and his recent history very closely and some disturbing things began to emerge both about the car, and the seller.

all the seller’s auctions are private auctions; therefore you cannot see what he has sold. I have pieced together a timeline spanning from September 2009 to the present showing him selling a minimum of seven vehicles, and both selling and buying large spare parts such as gearboxes, keys and doors. He appears to have stopped using his ebay account since I emailed him, however, he was advertising a rather expensive Nissan Navara, on the autotrader site as recently as today, as a private seller, using autotrader’s masking facility for his telephone number.

Using Google cache I also found he had one in January attempted to sell the car I purchased as a non-runner due to faulty gearbox on ebay. Ouch.

I also looked closer at the paperwork, the MOT in particular, the name of the tester, appeared to be the same as the seller. Further investigation proved the seller was in fact an MOT inspector for a very large main dealership group, and he had MOT’d his own vehicle, using his own name, along with using his main dealer employer to give the certificate.

He disclosed nothing about this on purchase. I even asked him what he did for a living, when I was viewing the car. He claimed he was helping his brother out on the markets, because he was out of work!!

I emailed the seller last week, and after a few polite emails stating I thought he was a trader, and some of the reasons why. He denied being a trader, but offered £1000.00, about 50% of the repair costs. I accepted this, as it meant we could scrape the money together with an advance from work, and a small loan from family, we could get the repairs done immediately, and stay mobile, and stay working. I was willing to take some responsibility, because obviously if I have found this out this information about the seller now, I could have found it out before I purchased

Two days later he withdrew his offer, by email. He claimed he had taken advice from trading standards and he was a private seller, with no liability for the vehicle, and any further contact from me would be deemed harassment.

I have emailed the large dealership group that he works for to complain that they have facilitated this sale by allowing him to conduct his own MOT, on his own vehicle, which was then promptly sold. They are not interested and have claimed they will not answer letters and emails on the matter.

I’m looking for guidance from you guys now really. I’m a bit lost. county court, Trading Standards, Police, HMRc, how should I take this from here? Do you think he classes as a trader, therefore giving me rights under SOG?

Ill add more too this thread as I find out more!

Thanks

Terri n steve

bought a car. Ripped off. - Marc

I think your first port of call should also be Trading Standards - see what they advise.

bought a car. Ripped off. - piggy

Have you thought of contacting e-bay themselves? They might be sympathetic to your plight,or could at the very least put a stop to this person conning more innocent people.

it never is a good idea to buy a car privately unless you know the car and the seller. Trade cars might cost more,but tend to give more security.

bought a car. Ripped off. - Altea Ego

a sad tale, but asking on here will just get you opinion and heresay.

you need to go here.

http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/getadvice

the key part as you say is to try to prove he is a trader.

bought a car. Ripped off. - aahbarnes

Get some advice, then maybe small claims court.

www.moneyclaim.gov.uk

bought a car. Ripped off. - pmh3

the biggest potential lever is the Mot , if you can find areason why it should have failed! altho maybe you have now left it too long.

to quote Wiki

to appeal against an Mot pass is free of charge however, to appeal against a failure will incur a fee whose value would amount to the normal maximum price of an Mot for that vehicle. this fee will then be refunded if the appellate inspection finds in favor of the motorist lodging the appeal. if the appellate inspection finds the vehicle was incorrectly diagnosed, the VoSa/DVa takes appropriate action against the station involved. this can range from penalty points being issued for minor infringements, to the station's Mot license being rescinded for more major violations. the VoSa/DVa has only the power to discipline the station involved and cannot pursue compensation of any kind for the complainant; that is the responsibility of trading Standards. an Mot station cannot be held responsible for defects that occur to the vehicle several months after the test was conducted. the appeal process and how to lodge one is outlined on the reverse of the Vt20 pass certificate and the Vt30 failure notice.

the guy would probably do almost anything not to have his test staus questioned by VoSa.

i correctly typed V o S a, V t 30, M o t - something funny going on this site?

Edited by pmh3 on 22/03/2010 at 15:48

bought a car. Ripped off. - Victorbox

i correctly typed V o S a, V t 30, M o t - something funny going on this site?

agree something is up with the website. i replied to another question about antifreeze and even after editing my post twice each time i typed oat it dropped the "a" to lower case.

in fact it's done it now and dropped capital at start of sentence and made i lower case.....

Edited by Victorbox on 22/03/2010 at 20:29