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Weed Killer - Clk Sec

Any suggestions, please, for a good / inexpensive weed killer now that sodium chlorate is no longer available in the shops.

Thanks.

Clk Sec

Weed Killer - tyro

I went around last year looking for Sodium Chlorate, only to discover that it had been banned by our masters. I drove around every garden centre in the area an effort to find one that had not yet sold out, but to no avail.

Huge numbers of weedkillers have been banned in recent years, so there is very little choice left. There is glyphosate, and er, that's about it.

(OK, there are others. See here: tinyurl.com/ya8tboo )

Cheap? I wish I knew. Usually the same herbicides are available under a variety of names, and if you can find "own brand" stuff, it is cheaper than the well known names.

Sodium Chloride will, of course work, if used in sufficient quantities!

Weed Killer - Rover25

I'm still using my stock of Sodium Chlorate. If you're looking for something strong an inexpensive try finding your local farm supplies or agricultural supplier. But best read the label as some of the commercial stuff is potentially as lethal to you as the weeds and requires protective equipment.

I used some Bayer Ground Clear recently, cheap from my local farm supplies. Found it to be very good.

Weed Killer - Clk Sec

Thanks, Tyro and Rover25.

Weed Killer - pmh3

In 2009 you could still buy Sodium Chlorate in French supermarkets - along with 1L bottles of just about every solvent or other chemical you could ever want. What happens at Dover customs I dont know!

I wonder whether it would trigger any search process before boarding a train or boat - altho if in original sealed packaging I would guess taht you would be ok.

Weed Killer - captain chaos

My Father always used to swear by Jeyes fluid for weedkilling paths and driveways. Never tried it myself. I leave that sort of thing to my gardener... ;-)

Weed Killer - Clk Sec
My Father always used to swear by Jeyes fluid for weedkilling paths and driveways.

I guess that would clean my paving the the same time. Two for the price of one!

Weed Killer - MGspannerman

I worked in the pesticide indusry for many years, you name it I can kill it. Sometimes unintentionally as a few farmers about the place can testify. Firstly I would not suggest anyone gets supplies from commercial sources. A litre of commercial weedkiller would last the average gardener a lifetime and hang around for ever. The packaging is not designed for domestic use and does not have childproof tops, details of dilution rates etc. appropriate for watering cans rather than hectares etc. I have been to a number of hospital pharmacies to collect material brought in by worried relatives when their nearest and dearest have suffered problems of various sorts and ended up in A&E. Weedkilers tend not to be too serious, but insecticides are another matter especially if oil formulated when the concentrate can be flammable as well.

For domestic weedkilling purposes I buy the cheapest generic glyphosate I can find in concentrate form and domestic packaging. I use a trigger bottle type sprayer with the diluted product in and aimed appropriately that will do an excellent job. The small droplet size aids absorption much better than using a watering can and it can be targetted more easily as glyphosate will kill anything green. For particularly hard to kill perennial weeds - ivy, bellvine etc - then sometimes adding a tiny drop of dishwasher fluid, the stuff that makes crockery etc sparkle, can be beneficial. This is essentially a wetting agent that reduces surface tension and means that the weedkiller is better absorbed as leaf contact is improved. I also use it (the dishwasher fluid) for cleaning windows as it leaves a non smear, sparkling clean finish.

MGs

Weed Killer - buzbee

MGS: pleased to see a mention of ivy as this has been a problem to me for several years and even when I have sprayed it on a wall, with the usuall 'killers' (not tried Beline), it has still been very resistant.

Is Beline a selective one and if it is sprayed on ground ivy will it kill other plants via their roots?

Weed Killer - MGspannerman

Hi Buzbee,

I am afraid I dont know Beline, presumably a tradename. I did a quick google and couldnt find it. Ground ivy is rather different from creeping ivy, the type of plant that you see on old walls for example. However these are both persistent and difficult to kill. if it reasonably contained and doesnt cover large areas that you need to clear then a technique that I have used to good effect is what we might term a "cut stump" treatment, used extensively with woody species. In principle slice though the stem near the base and then apply the weedkiller to the cut stump. This gives you access directly to the vascular system of the plant without the intervention of the leaf and the problems of penetrating very waxy, shiney leaves. I would suggest glyphosate as it is very readily moved within the plant and is also safe-ish to handle, but best to use gloves, wash hands, avoid splashes etc. as this is not a recommended form of application. If you dab on a strong solution, and obviously it doesnt take much, this can do the trick. I have mixed it with a small amount of flour to make a paste which then maintains contact with the plant for much longer when painted on, and I have also experimented with gels. I would definitely not suggest that you try this with paraquat or diquat type products. In fact I refuse to have these types of products around. There is no recovery from paraquat poisoning! In addition it is largely a contact weedkiller and not taken up and moved around the plant into the roots so there is no benefit to this type of application. Finally it works best in good weather when the plant is growing rapidly, mid to late May often works best. I have been eliminating ground elder from my garden for about five years now and at last seem to have got rid of it, a very persistent weed though and it wil take regular zapping to keep it at bay.

Good luck! MGs

Weed Killer - bintang

Large-scale trials of Paraquat and eventual adoption of systemic weedkillers like 24D (aka Agent Orange?) produced no noticeable symptoms in the many workers involved in the plantation company I worked for in Malaysia (pre-1969). The same was not true of sodium a***nite, which produced numerous nasty ulcers on the skin, in spite of great care taken over operative instruction. In any case, it, too, was only a contact killer and resurgence was rapid in tropical conditions.

Weed Killer - buzbee
hi MGs,
Oops, my typo. I thought you were saying for ivy use bellvine. Must take more water with it. I now realize what you meant.

I have killed bellvine (the white Bell creeper) using Weedol IIRC but you have to catch it in the spring just as it is about to grow. Probably now. Later on in the season it has little or no effect. At the time I was surprised how well it worked.

busbee.

Edited by buzbee on 25/03/2010 at 11:46

Weed Killer - Boolagh

We have some Sodium Chlorate left over from last year that we would like to use up, but have lost the dosage instructions. Can anyone advise what dilution rate to use - we understand it is legal to use SC until 10th May this year but cannot find any advice on the Internet.

Weed Killer - bathtub tom

135g in 5 litres over 10 square metres, to 270g in 5 litres over 5 square metres depending on what you want to kill.

Don't ask how I know or how much I've got left. ;>)

Weed Killer - Clk Sec

Yipee! I've just found another kg of Wilco's best. Must have bought more than I thought last year.

Weed Killer - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

These garden chemicals and creosote were not actually banned. The manufacturers just failed to get them re-approved (or something like that).

Glycosphate works OK for me.

Weed Killer - pmh3

To update my earlier post, sodium chlorate is still available in french supermarkets.