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The other cars were far too far ahead.
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True cheddar. Some people don't like to be overtaken, and many such people haven't the brains of a louse. Come across a good few in my time. No need for chapter and verse. Any press-on type has met a few of them.
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" there were a couple of other cars a couple of hundred yards ahead."
I think that might be the clue. He probably thought he was accelerating gently because he was reading the road ahead and realised he would catch them up anyway. Then impatient you come along and try to push into his clear space.
200 yards is only about 7 seconds at 60 mph - why hurry?
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I'll buy into that argument Cliff.
"Press On" drivers, whether they relalize it or not GENERALLY press on at someone elses expense.
But hey I bought a fast car I deserve it? to drive faster that is.
cheers
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"Press On" drivers whether they relalize it or not GENERALLY press on at someone elses expense.
If Passat was only accelerating moderately, then the addition of one extra vehicle between himself and cars ahead wouldn't 'cost' him much I would have thought. Anyway, presumably he would have have realised that the press-on driver is going to carry on pressing-on and not be in front of him for much longer.
Either way, flooring it while being overtaken is daft - surely much worse than just overtaking someone. I think the thread title is accurate.
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Either way, flooring it while being overtaken is daft - surely much worse than just overtaking someone. I think the thread title is accurate. >>
;-) alternative view:
I was that Passat driver. As I was accelerating to catch up the car 100 yards in front of me, an impatient boy-racer in a go-fast coloured Focus tried to overtake me! I had to brake hard to avoid hitting him as he just managed to get in to the small gap left in front of me, and I had to flash my headlights from about 5 yards behind him, to remind him of my presence. Some blokes think that because they drive a cheap "go-fast" Ford, it entitles them to push in front of a careful driver in a sedate Passat.
I should had have had my full beam on at 18 inches behind him, but then he would not have seen the full beam.
Edited by jbif on 21/01/2010 at 09:08
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;-) alternative view:
That might indeed be how Passat driver would describe it, but presumably you realise it doesn't tie in with cheddar's version of events, or at least misses out the important bit about flooring it as cheddar comes past. (If that's explained by your smiley/winkey(?) then apologies.)
Edited by Focus {P} on 21/01/2010 at 09:15
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No, of course it doesn't fit with Cheddar's view. I don't think we are trying to dispute his accuracy for one moment, merely try to explain the events as possibly seen from Mr Passat's viewpoint.
Something a little similar happened (and happens most days) this morning coming in to work. I was slowly catching up what I could see was a long train of cars/lorries ahead, doing about 50. I was doing 55/60. I could see miles ahead, and know the road well, and it was obvious (to me) that it would be pointless getting impatient because however many cars I might manage to overtake, I would never get to the front.
So I continued dawdling along, slowly getting closer. Mr Middle-aged boy racer came roaring up behind, overtook without a second thought, and then braked hard when he noticed the queue ahead. For the next 10 miles we all travelled at about 50, myself just behind the overtaker.
No, I didn't speed up to try and baulk him, I just shook my head wisely. But it happens all the time, and often the overtakers cut in sharply in order to get past just one car.
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... at least misses out the important bit about flooring it as cheddar comes past. ... >>
;-)
Exactly, that was Cheddar's misconceived perception. I was flooring it to make rapid progress long before Cheddar decided to block my overtaking/catching-up manoeuvre, and he tried to out-accelerate me in his go-fast Ford. I think he just did not realise that it takes a couple of seconds in my Passat barge to pick up speed and he was impatient and he dangerously barged his way in to the diminishing gap in front, and forced me to brake violently. The fool did not realise that it takes longer to accelerate as well as slow down a heavy ordinary "slinker-mimser" car like the Passat. Boy racers in go-fast cars should be taught that not all cars on the road have the fast responses of a Focus-ST. ;-)
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Exactly that was Cheddar's misconceived perception.
I understand :-)
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;-) alternative view: I was that Passat driver. As I was accelerating to catch up the car 100 yards ....
SQ
I like to make good progress and have no issues with overtaking or being overtaking. However, I think jbif's version is the more likely scenario.
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 21/01/2010 at 10:27
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the addition of one extra vehicle between himself and cars ahead wouldn't 'cost' him much I would have thought.
So by the same arguement, what was the point of overtaking?
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Not with 200 yards clearance, and after the overtake to sit so close to the rear of the other car suggests a certain lack of good sense.
I think some people might like to think the Passat driver's response was reasonable, but that just makes them suspect.
It's not against the law to overtake, it just needs to be done in a safe manner.
Key words: cheap, go fast, highly coloured, fast Ford, somebody's prejudices are showing.
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I am always happy for any driver to overtake me especially if they are pushing on. Less chance of plod catching me speeding as they are dealing with someone else.
Although Focus ST drivers are bad for it. ;o)
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I am always happy for any driver to overtake me especially if they are pushing on. Less chance of plod catching me speeding as they are dealing with someone else. Although Focus ST drivers are bad for it. ;o)
>>Its just people who drive Focuses full stop. Not just ST's, I can tell you what happened when some annoying little ...... was tailgating me in Hampshire in an 08 reg Ford Focus 2.0 TDCi. He was doing the same thing as what cheddar was doing, so I was doing what the Passat driver was doing. An ST might be able to overtake a TDi Passat but a 2.0 TDCi titanium Focus 136/251lb/ft isn't going to overtake a Seat Leon FR TDi 150/236lb/ft so easily. However, due to my defensive actions I have received an NIP via a complaint from the Focus driver for allegedly dangerously driving for doing this. For the people who read my "NIP for alleged dangerous driving" they know the full story but the post was hidden.
Its not the 1st time ive had run ins with idiots driving Ford Focuses. I had a mid-night-club-moron in a 2.0 petrol Focus Ghia trying to overtake me on a small single-file type slip-road in 2nd gear as I was accelerating from a 30Mph zone to a 50 zone. He was using a short 30-meter-long overtaking lane to try to hammer pass me while I was still accelerating to 50 on a clear road. If I would have let him pass, it would have involved me slamming on the brakes, slowing right down just to let him cut me up & be a bully, I am entited to accelerate from 30-50 after I pass the signposts. I defensively accelerated to 50 with maximum torque power while he was in 2nd gear hammering the throttle in the short lane. He didn't like what I did, it made him go mad with rage. As his lane merged back in as a single-file, while I signalled to go on the carridgeway & looked for a safe gap. He vindictively took a fast run up from behind, dived carelessly over the chevrons - jumping on the carridgeway before me as I was joining. A very dangerous idiot, almost wiped out my back-end when he did this, he had to swerve in the right hand lane to avoid me joining because of his own dangerous driving.
I have had many stories to tell on Ford Focus drivers being either absolute clowns or complete idiots. Ive got nothing against Focus's & the people who own them but I have had to endure more impatient behaviour & road rage thrown at me from them more than any other car. VW Golf drivers are nearly as bad but it seems the only sensible drivers seem to be Leons, Astras & meganes & Japaneese cars.
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Are you positive it is not you causing or provoking all the problems you get involved in?
Edited by Old Navy on 21/01/2010 at 14:49
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Impatient & erratic behaviour seems to be the nature of them. You can't help it when you are cruising along at the speed limit & someone in a Focus/Golf is up your backside flashing his/her beams to go faster or is trying to use the incorrect "right turn only" lanes to overtake you thus cutting you up, taking a lethal chance which could potentially cause a nasty accident.
Focus/Golf drivers just seem to have a problem with keeping to a set speed limit & seem to be unfamiliar with a safe braking distance.
Funnily enough I have always noticed this on the roads... Golf & Focus drivers alike seem to be the fine ones to rush to the end of a dead-end lane, cutting people up to dive in but one thing I have also noticed...
They don't like anyone else doing it to them. Every other car seems to be ok with letting me in if I have dived in to a lane at the last second but the 2 main cars that will always try & stop me getting in (by any means necessary) are always Golfs & Focuses. I will always get a rude gesture from them & a little chase with flashing beams.
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Peter, you are talking as so often through your exhaust pipe.
Golfs and Focuses eh? Makes a change from BMWs and SUVs I suppose. Obviously you think your own driving is generally fine, as those obsessed with speed limits usually do, but judging by the quality of your discourse on roads and driving it may well be annoying and just possibly lethal. I hope we never meet. It could bring out the worst in me.
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Relax, Golfs & Focuses have a bad habit of trying to get their 1st. They are the worst offenders in cities or built up areas for that. I had a driver of a Golf who got really annoyed at me because I was playing the traffic leaping game better than he was. I was playing it cool strategically moving into the correct lanes to avoid the slow-downs & bunch ups caused by people turning right. He hated it! He kept jumping lanes infront of people causing them to brake suddenly as soon as a lane was free-moving more than the other. I was just planning ahead & thinking: I'm going to signal to move into the left lane now because someone will turn right & block the flow in a minute. I kept on passing him over & over again, One time he actually pulled into my path & cut me up as I was passing him. In the end I was 3 minutes ahead of him until I turned off. He actually went out of his way to start flashing me & chase me. This was 3 minutes later, but by then I wasn't bothered so I let him overtake. He literally got annoyed over that! I didn't make any hand gestures, glare at him or anything like that - I didn't cut him up or annoy him I was just minding my own business using strategic lane changing that seemed to upset him!? I was laughing it was funny.
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>>that seemed to upset him!? I was laughing it was funny.
Hopefully next time instead of a dangerous driving conviction you will get banned. Not that a ban is likely to stop you driving, judging from your attitude.
Unless of course it is all fantasy and you are trying a wind up.
Edited by Old Navy on 21/01/2010 at 16:09
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No need to get all upset & personal about it man just cool it, he got upset over me changing lanes during a busy period? I didn't do anything to him he just randomly started chasing me 3 minutes later chucking his toys out of the window. That was hardly my fault! I don't have an attitude problem you don't know me personally & you are not my full-time passenger so who are you to judge my driving abilities? you are just basing a set of narrow-minded opinions on something I said in a public forum.
I did think it was funny, I thought he was a right weirdo! shrugged it off, let him overtake then he was gone.
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>>"136/251lb/ft isn't going to overtake a Seat Leon FR TDi 150/236lb/ft so easily."
It is if it's already started accelerating 2 or 3 seconds before you, Peter.
(viz. the ambush overtake)
But Peter, what on earth are you going to do if the other fellow has one of those Golf TDIs with 170 BHP?
Oh the shame!!! :-(
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tunacat
Yes ambush overtakes do work, especially with turbo Diesels of 130Bhp or more.
Your speed will account for Turbo-lag, if someone has put their foot down in a 236lbft or 251lb/ft 130/140 Diesel 2-3 seconds before me, by the time the turbo kicks in on mine to level up with them, thats enough lag in the turbo boost to allow them to fly past.
Thats happened to me plenty of times, its happened to other people when they have tried to do it to me also.
The most severe overtaking incident that I was involved in...
Last year, there was a Vectra CDTi 150 ahead with an old man driving & his wife on the A36 to Salisbury. He was doing about 47 on the overtaking straight past Landford 50-zone there was nothing coming on the opposite side of the road for me. However, this looney in a Fiat coupe came from nowhere, charging up behind me about to overtake as I was spooling up the turbo to overtake the veccy. He was sitting up my rear end towards the middle of the road like he was on a tow rope, intending to overtake 2 cars in 1 shot. I made a quick decision to overtake the Vectra so the Fiat Coupe can flash past me after. Lucky I spooled up the turbo like I did to blast past the Vectra because the old fool glanced over his shoulder, gave me an evil glare then decided to race me. The turbo must have taken a few seconds to boost his engine because I had only just narrowly made it past him before it surged forward with torque power almost levelling me out. The Fiat Coupe however, was still stuck on the wrong side of the road beside the old man. An oncoming HGV showed its ugly face around the bend & I knew the driver of the Fiat was going to have a fatality because of what the old man was doing. I cut the Fiat driver some slack only to save his life, I slammed hard on the brakes, forcing the Vectra to almost hit my rear then I swerved to the left so he could swerve to avoid the on-coming lorry. It happened in a flash, The Fiat driver raised his thumb up through the cars rear window to say thanks.
The vectra driver got really annoyed with this, overtook me on the solid white lines & chevrons going around the corner, he went infront of me & kept on tapping his brakes to slow me down. I wasn't bothered by what he was doing at all I just let him play his silly game of tap the brakes because there was a blue Skoda Octavia VRS behind me, just up the road. Quick as a flash, the Skoda Octavia VRS was suddenly behind, saw everything he did, put his lights & sirens on, I moved out of his way - he went right up the Vectras backside & pointed his finger to the left. Nice one!
in reguards to the Golf PD 170, I wouldn't be that stupid enough to try to overtake it with 150Bhp, So there would be no shame,
I'm not like Ford Focus drivers & their 136 TDCi's ;-)
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Lucky I spooled up the turbo like I did to blast past the Vectra because the old fool glanced over his shoulder gave me an evil glare then decided to race me.
It takes two people to race. Why didn't you slow down?
Edited by Old Navy on 22/01/2010 at 15:55
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Peter, I have been reading this thread for a few days now with growing concern. Your behaviour sounds absolutely terrifying. Do you consider someone trying to overtake you as a challenge to be met at any cost? Why shouldn?t a Focus with a ?mere? 136 bhp be able to overtake you with your more powerful car? If it is safe and legal to do so, what on earth is the problem? Does your faster car give you the right to decide who can and who cannot pass you (what if the Focus has also been remapped?!) I used to drive cars with very low power outputs (30-35bhp). Rarely, it used to be appropriate, safe and legal for me to overtake other cars that were much more powerful. By your logic, I should be blown away by the other car for attempting such a thing. I drive a slightly more powerful car now and have more opportunities to overtake, again where safe legal and appropriate. I?ve recently had the experience that Cheddar describes and can say that I consider it one of the most dangerous and anti-social behaviours other road users can display. For someone to accelerate fiercely to block another driver from pulling back to the safety of the left hand side of the road is madness!
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Why didn't I slow down? did you read my post? he was doing 47, a Fiat came up my backside. I came up behind the Vectra - nothing was coming ahead. I spooled up the turbo to its maximum spin so it will effectively knock my head back when I put my foot to the floor. I put my foot to the floor - my head knowcked back - then whizzed past the Vectra, as I was doing so the old codger glared at me then stuck his foot down also. By the time his turbo surged into life I was already flying past & almost clear to move in. I moved in, just in the nick of time but the Fiat was stuck on the wrong side facing an on-coming lorry so I cut him some slack by jamming the brakes & swerving left so he could avoid it & live to tell the tale. Are there any more tiny holes you would like to pick out of my evasive action?
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I put my foot to the floor - my head knocked back
This is hilarious, I've got these cartoon like visions of your overtaking manouvre, a bit like roadrunner, and the wiley coyote constantly finding bigger and better things to catch up with, like sitting on a missile :-)
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>> I spooled up the turbo to its maximum spin so it will effectively knock my head back when I put my foot to the floor <<
What the....
Do you also write the fiction in weekly magazines?
I've got a turbo-charged car and it doesn't have a 'turbo-RPM' gauge.
I gotta get me one of them.
... I presume you mean you half close the throttle to bring the turbo on song, then WOT, rather than straight to WOT.
My car has over 300lb ft of torque and I've never whiplashed myself even flat out in 2nd gear (first leaves number 1111s on the road...)
Edited by Lygonos on 22/01/2010 at 17:33
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Cracking thread - can't wait for the next bit motoring melodrama!
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Entertainment at it's very best.....can't do any of that in my 1 ton, 50 BHP machine.
Nor would I wish to !
But park her next to a Ferrari/Porsche/Lambo and I've noticed what people look at !
Ted
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How a thread can run and run ...
I was going to say that jbif should do stand up though I think peterextremelyexhaustbaffling would get most people in stitches first.
BTW I reckon the extra 20lb/ft of a Focus TDCi is worth more than you extra 14bhp ;-)
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BTW I reckon the extra 20lb/ft of a Focus TDCi is worth more than you extra 14bhp ;-)
Definitely, my Focus 2.0 TDCI will burn off any Seat/Skoda/Audi/VW any day, and most Ferrari's too.
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Careful, Cheddar - our Pete's entire sense of being is wrapped in those 14 bhp. Take them away and he might as well be in a Golf or a Focus, and we all know what sort of people drive those.
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he was doing 47, a Fiat came up my backside. I came up behind the Vectra - nothing was coming ahead. I spooled up the turbo to its maximum spin so it will effectively knock my head back when I put my foot to the floor. I put my foot to the floor - my head knowcked back - then whizzed past the Vectra, as I was doing so the old codger glared at me then stuck his foot down also. By the time his turbo surged into life I was already flying past & almost clear to move in. I moved in, just in the nick of time but the Fiat was stuck on the wrong side facing an on-coming lorry so I cut him some slack by jamming the brakes & swerving left so he could avoid it & live to tell the tale
This - I mean this kindly - is the motoring version of Mills & Boon! - there must be a market somewhere!
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Barbara Cartland is spinning in her (perfume filled and most like bright pink) coffin right now!
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With this guy coming up behind you...it's more ' Tales of the Unexpected ' !
Ted
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Er yeah sure...
You & Oldnavy just keep telling yourselves that!
Ive burned off 2 Focus 2.0 TDCi's. Not just the Zetec at Ovington Crossroads, there was another one more local to me, all I can say is burning off 2 2.0 TDCI focuses & gradually leaving them behind on both occasions is enough to say 14Bhp wins over 20lb/ft in a drag race.
Parkers doesn't rate a 2.0 TDCi (136 251lb/ft) as 9.0s 0-60
& a most of VAG's 150 8V/170 16V TDi's as 8.6s/8.4s 0-60
just for the fun of it.
VAG 150/170 are a little bit quicker than Focus 2.0 TDCi's its a fact!
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Yeah well maybe not "knock my head back" I mean that more as a torque thrust description, when you have been driving a 208D Sprinter like I have anything knocks your back!
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>>when you have been driving a 208D Sprinter like I have>>
Ah, pxp exposed, a white van man, that explains a lot.
I assume you have a degree in tailgating. :-)
Edited by Old Navy on 23/01/2010 at 08:24
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You're a real hero, Sunbeam....now get over it !
Ted
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Please paint your car with a colour that stands out - bright yellow with vermilion spots, for instance. Then, when I see you driving, I can park up until you're way out of sight.
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Walter Mitty, or troll, I cant make up my mind.
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Also, give us all some indication of the area you frequent.
It will be well worth avoiding !
Why the need for all this speed and rush when other traffic is around ? You only have one innings, it's not a rehearsal.
Ted
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Peter - your posts are some of the best I've read in a long time - very descriptive and you've gone to an awful lot of effort to describe the situations you've been in. I think you might however be a round peg in square hole round these parts though.
Keep on being enthusiastic about the Leon - sounds a nice motor.
All I ask is that you be careful out there.
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Gleaning some information from PexP's posts, I now see he lives far enough away for me not to place an order with 'BulkBuy Disposable PantsULike '
Ted
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Gleaning some information from PexP's posts I now see he lives far enough away for me not to place an order with 'BulkBuy Disposable PantsULike ' Ted
The scary thing is Ted - he lives very close to me and has driven down a set of roads that I use on a regular basis. The good thing is that I've got the same car as him and not one of those dirty Focii or Golfs, so I should be ok :P
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If you see a Grey Seat Leon FR (silver mirrors) undertaking everyone in all the left lanes, racing side-by-side with Ford Focus TDCi's or Golf TDi's, turing right in the left lanes to avoid those traffic queues in the right hand lanes...
Thats me!
Any other grey Leon that is driving normally won't be me.
Ha ha ha
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David,
I know what you are saying, seems a lot of people on here say they own fast cars but stick to the speed limits, don't do anything wrong, act like they have huge glowing golden halos over their heads, not to mention. Wings too.
I'm being totally honest at least, I'm not pulling the wool over anyones eyes. No-body is a total saint on the roads, we all get our moment of madness from time-to-time but it seems that people on here are not admitting their little quiet "races" they have with people. I am getting a big bashing & I don't seem to be very popular in this topic in which my comments are a little bit controversial, I know. My intentions are not to deliberately cause trouble - some might disagree to that (not mentioning any usernames) but I don't always like to agree with the world & follow the crowd. I like to try & debate without the intentions of it being a warzone.
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I'm being totally honest at least
Yeah you seem to be. If your stories are true they seem to be honest warts and all accounts so yeah, good on you for being honest.
I like to try & debate
Me to. That's pretty much the 3rd use for the internet right? You're in good company :-) xkcd.com/386/
Your driving sounds insane. Although its interesting (and terrifying!) to get an honest view of driving from your point of view.
Keep posting and keep defending your corner, tell it like you see it. I'm not saying i'll be anything other than the complete opposite given the contrasts between our approaches, but it's a learning experience to understand how you approach driving, and i'm all for learning more.
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Its not just Focus & Golf Diesels Ive raced. Its a bigger list then that,
Raced a Silver BMW 5-series going down the sliproad for the M27 junction 9...
It was a level speed, none of us won that race. I was showing him that BMW's can't always take everything on & win... This got to 110 then I bottled out.
Raced a Red Vectra 2.2 SRi up the hill to the M27 from junction 8, Again that was a level race. I pinned him in the right hand lane & showed him that Vectra direct injections don't always beat Diesels... That got to 120 then I bottled out.
The worst legend of mine that I will never forget was an Audi A6 2.0 TDI 170, I was going down the same sliproad for the M27 junction 9 as I was with the Beamer. I was in the right-hand lane, he did the dirty on me & stuck his boot down. I did the same. Was gradually catching him up then was gradually passing him slowly. He was really annoyed at the fact a cheap little family Seat just done him over & he was trying to prove a point that Audi's are always better left-right & centre. I was sliding away from his grip & he couldn't catch me. This got to 137 according to my speedometer then he must have hit his top speed & started dropping away more quickly after that. After he realised that mine was smaller but slightly faster with its power/weight ratio advantage he just gave up & dropped back to traffic speed.
I have more but those are my memorable classics.
I have calmed down since then but those will never be forgotten
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It was a level speed, none of us won that race. I was showing him that BMW's can't always take everything on & win... This got to 110 then I bottled out. <<
I'd say the BMW won that one then.
Again that was a level race. I pinned him in the right hand lane & showed him that Vectra direct injections don't always beat Diesels... That got to 120 then I bottled out. <<
Bottle went again? 0-2 for the Leon.
Audi stuff <<
That's some sliproad that you could get over 130mph on. The man at Parkers, he say Audi A6 2.0 TDI (170ps) Multitronic 8.6s 135 mph 167 bhp (that's the slower automatic) vs. 1.9 TDi FR (150ps) 5d 8.6 s 134 mph 147 bhp. It must've been your more skillful 'spool-up' that got you the win.
33% success rate? Don't give up the day job.
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My Leon was happy to go on sprinting with the Beamer & vectra, I just didn't want to push it anymore, enough was enough. Gave the 5-series & SRi the chicken run without letting them pass, Point proven.
It progressed onto the motorway, a sliproad is too short to hit 137 on.
The 2.0 TDi 170 (Avant) came up as either 9.0 or 9.5.
The 2.7 TDi is the one that is shown as 8.6.
How can a huge heavy Audi A6 TDI 170 run 0-60 in 8.6s?
The smaller, lighter Audi A4 does it in 8.4s.
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Apologies, you didn't say it was an estate.
Still, 1 win from 3, and your only win was against an underpowered estate car.
Go you!
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It wasn't an Estate A6 it was a saloon A6. The only TDI I know I won't stand a chance against is the A4 2.0 TDI 170 & the A6 2.7 TDI <-they are neck & neck!
Ignore parkers so called stats, think about the power/weight ratio youself.
A bigger platform car with any Diesel on a 1.9/2.0 capacity needs an extra 14-20Bhp or an additional 200 cubic centremeters in size, just to keep up with its smaller sister.
A stock Vectra 1.9 CDTi [150 ps] will not keep up with a stock Astra 1.9 CDTi [150 ps].
They feel relatively the same to accelerate but...
The Vectra will inevitably lose a second 0-60 because the engine has to haul the extra bulk of the Vectra while relying on the same engine power out-put as the Astra.
Same effect as when you push a big trolley & a small trolley by yourself. Its easier to take-off with a small trolley.
Thats where mine beat the A6 PD 170. Calculate the engine power - a PD 170 hauling the size of an A6 & it works out to be the same hauling as a TDI 130 in a Leon.
Small: 1.9/2.0 130 TDI or 136 HDI
Ibizas, Corsas, 206's, C2/C3's etc
Family: 1.9/2.0 150 TDI or N/A HDI
Focuses, Leons, Astras, Golfs, A3's, C4's etc
Mid-size: 1.9/2.0 170 TDI or 178 HDI
407's, Mondeos, vectras, Passats, A4's, C5's etc
Executive: 2.7 TDI or 3.0 HDI
BMW 5, Audi A6, C6 etc
Luxuary:
BMW 7, Audi A8, VW Phaeton etc.
If a 2.0 PD 170 hauls an Audi A4 at the same pace as a Leon PD 150 then how on earth does a PD 170 haul an Audi A6 at the same pace as a PD 150?
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Stock Vectra, stock Astra? You have been reading too many American magazines.
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Head knocked back eh? Get yourself down the gym to do some exercises. My bike will hit 150mph in 10 seconds - that's acceleration of more than 1G (free fall) I don't have a problem with keeping my head straight. :-)
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So by the same arguement what was the point of overtaking?
No reason not to assuming it isn't inconveniencing the Passat (disputed) - I should think cheddar quite enjoys it in a car like his (I would!). But also it's like on the motorway - quite often you only overtake one car doing 60 at a time, but keep on doing it and it might make a difference to your journey time, if that's important to you.
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Yes, but this wasn't on a motorway and it appears that there was nothing to be gained, other than to upset another road user.
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Yes but this wasn't on a motorway and it appears that there was nothing to be gained other than to upset another road user.
I'm not cheddar, but I would think that being the reasonable person I'm sure he is, if he'd known it would upset Mr P then he wouldn't have overtaken. When I overtake someone I know it means putting another car in front of the person I'm overtaking, but I assume they don't mind.
Doesn't 'gain' include deriving pleasure from something? And despite it not being a motorway, it's quite possible to make quicker progress by overtaking.
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