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The new Fiesta by a country mile, it's not cheap but it's a fantastic car.
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The Mk7 Fiesta is not faultless - it's a new model and it isn't perfect.
Look here:
www.fordownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=...3
I would make sure to get one which was built in Germany - not one built in Valencia, Spain. The Mk7 is built at both plants.
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I would make sure to get one which was built in Germany - not one built in Valencia Spain. The Mk7 is built at both plants.
Which versions are built where I wonder?
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The Mk7 Fiesta is not faultless - it's a new model and it isn't perfect...............
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Not only is it not faultless but I couldn't live with that awful interior desgined by a goon, probably.
And someone else here said that they only bought black cars - they must be masochists or mad but probably, both!
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>> The Mk7 Fiesta is not faultless - it's a new model and it isn't perfect............... >> Not only is it not faultless but I couldn't live with that awful interior desgined by a goon probably. And someone else here said that they only bought black cars - they must be masochists or mad but probably both!
name a car that is 'perfect' son and you will find several here that will tell you that it's not.
Who are you ref to re the 'black' cars? i love black Mercs/Jeeps/Audis and Range rovers, you envy me, yes!
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There aren't any fault-free or 'perfect' cars, I would imagine, although some people have fewer faults on their cars than others.
What has my opinion of the car's interior got to do with your reply, anyway? I don't like flashy, gimmicky interiors, period. Neither do I like black/hearse-like cars as they're totally inappropriate for our often filthy weather, never looking clean for more than a few moments after cleaning them, (or usually having them cleaned for you).
Sorry about my grammar and sentence construction, although it is somwhat better than yours!
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Cheddar, a few years ago my wife fancied a different make of car, we had always had Vauxhalls! so we plumped for a new Peugeot 206hdi Lx. An expensive french car, & I have always wanted to stay away from french cars from experience of working on them all day!
Well it was a disaster & months later ended up spending 10 weeks a peugeot to be put right!
We lost all faith in it & lost shed loads of dosh & bought a Ford fiesta 1.4Tdci which gave us superb service & felt so much better in quality, We then bought a 1.6 TDCi Zetec new & I its 2 years old now & my wife will not consider parting with it. Compared with the french Peugoet the car feels 100% better in quality & build. there will be some anti ford bashers along in a mo but I have to say I am impressed & this one has been faultless other than a Fan speed controller for the cooling fan. i have to say it stuck once & was never a problem but ford diagnostics now are very good where they plug into a central computer & use statistics to replace parts if a fault isn't found so it was one visist & fixed. I give ford 100 out of 100.
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... I give ford 100 out of 100...
Me too.
The Fiesta is as funky as any small car and has driving dynamics to die for.
I also reckon it would be a better long term bet - don't think any of us can be certain how long we will keep our cars.
New models seem well-sorted these days, but the Fiesta has been out a while now, so if there were any teething problems, they should be ironed out.
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Just been through exactly the same exercise. My wife had a Mondeo which was ready for a change and she wanted something just a bit smaller. Looked at Hyundai i20, Mazda2, Seat Ibiza and new Fiesta. No contest after road testing all these cars. Did not consider the Fiat as we had a very bad experience with a Punto (2 engines and 3 head gaskets!)and she refuses to ever have one again.
The Fiesta is in a different league. I asked my wife what she would miss most which she had on the Mondeo, and her answer was the heated windscreen, and it has been a bonn in this weather. However, the real clincher was the Bluetooth system thrown in on the Fiesta, it is extremely good. It is a car which makes my 06 Accord Tourer look old fashioned in technology. I realise that this is no guarantee of reliability but nothing is certain in life! We also reasoned that more people in 3 or 4 years time would consider a used Fiesta rather than some of the others. Still, only time will tell.
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...We also reasoned that more people in 3 or 4 years time would consider a used Fiesta rather than some of the others...
That's almost certainly true.
You can argue the whys and wherefores, but buyers of older cars feel more comfortable with a Ford than almost anything else.
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The reason people do not like Fords is good old fashioned badge snobbery, since the Mondeo and then the Focus, European Fords have been fantastic. Reliable, fun to drive and good value, 'cept the new Fiesta does look pricey but as it's the best car in the class - why not?
VW Finally built a decent Golf since the Mk1&MK2 with the Mk6, anyone who bought a mark 3,4 or 5 over a Focus wants their brains dusted - it's simply not in the same league and to think they paid more for a worse car? It beggars belief what some people will do for a badge.
I used to love French cars - still own one - but they are too unreliable and poorly made, parts cost a fortune too, it seems in the UK they sell them cheap and them slaughter you on the servicing. My 3 litre C5 costs much more to service than the 4 litre Jag XJ8 it replaced and the Jag never went wrong in 170K miles. The Citroen? Well...
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There's not much to choose between the 2 cars in dynamics, likely reliability (both have their weak spots and admirers, detractors on here). Go to France and everyone's driving a Clio, over here, they're all in Fiestas! Do you see hundreds of dead Clios or Fiestas about? Well I don't! I've been impressed with just how good all small cars have become in the last few years, to be honest. personally I've had excellent service from a Megane and ZX, also a Focus was ok, if not memorable. So I reckon it's all of a muchness. If you look after them, most cars are reasonable.
That said, it's down to practicalities like cost of ownership over the duration. And the rule there is nearly always, the less you pay, the less you lose. They're all worthless after 5 or 6 years anyway.
It's a no brainer to me, this one, the Clio is far better value, a decent car with £3K in the bank to spend on other stuff and if I recall, you've been happy with a previous Clio.
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Thanks guys, now thinking of splashing out on a Fiesta Titanium 1.4 ...
... though with a Titanium we could have the 1.6 120, nice and sporty ...
... though we've got to draw the line somewhere!
Alternatively we could spend £200 on our faithful Clio and pay something off the mortgage.
Hmmm ...
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The keys to that final dilemma are:
- Does Mrs C like driving?
- Does she depend on a reliable car for her work?
The more positive the answers to those, the more she needs / wants a new car.
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10800 for a Fiesta? Are you mad? thats a crazy price to pay for a Fiesta, there are so many better cars on the market
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retgwte, would you care to name them and give us the reasons they are so much better?
Edited by Jcoventry on 09/01/2010 at 22:16
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Renault come in for a lot of stick for reliability, but rarely do you hear any of it levelled at the Clio. My aunt is now on her fourth successive Clio since 1994, and all have given sterling service. All the people I know who have owned Clios have been more than happy with them.
The new Fiesta is a cracker by all accounts too. I don't think you'd go far wrong with either, although the saving offered by the Clio would be tempting, and still get your wife into a very nice little car.
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Cheddar
The difference in quality build from Puegeot to ford was outstanding. My wife always says how much safer she feels & I have to say the build quality of the 206 was nothing more than a coke can & every visit to a car park added another dent!
As already said before the Ford is dearer but I hope mine will retain its value more but to drive is a pleaseure & would not hesistate to take on very long runs.
just one thing, you are going for petrol, we had a loan 1.4 petrol when ours was in for service & was astounded how much fuel we used over the weekend just doing the normal running about ( as the dealership were waiting for a particular pair of tyres we requested) compared with the 1.6tdci. The 1.6tdci is a superb engine & superbly frugal & so much tourque for a small engine. We avaerage 53mpg local & 60+ on a long run! 67ish if we drive like a nun.
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Could I suggest a SEAT Ibiza for the OP's wife? Not driven one, but sat in a new 3dr model and was quite impressed.
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Thanks all, wife not so keen on a diesel and a 1.6 TDCi is over a grand more than a 1.4 petrol, I quite fancy the 1.6 120 though that would have to be a Titanium spec, also a lot more dosh.
I would consider a Seat though wife won't, the petrol engines are not as crisp as the Ford units though.
Looks like it will be a Fiesta though the used Clio is great VFM.
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Could I suggest a SEAT Ibiza for the OP's wife? Not driven one but sat in a new 3dr model and was quite impressed.
Only buy one of you like cars that rattle a lot. Plus ours (oldest daughter's) broke down 4 times in 4 years. Miserably failed MOT at 4yrs/34K miles. SEAT UK useless. Dealer was very variable (staff turnover huge so service depended totally on who they had working there at the time). In some areas SEAT dealers are thin on the ground.
Is that enough?
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I might be wrong, but doesn't the 1.6 TDCi engine have parentage from a certain French manufacturer?
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Probably, but it's had the magic blue oval of reliability waved over it. :)
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I might be wrong but doesn't the 1.6 TDCi engine have parentage from a certain French manufacturer?
Its a Ford / Peugeot joint development also used in Volvos, Citroens Minis etc.
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Its a fantastic engine, but don't forget cheddar, sechond hand a lot more sought after! Its very quiet engine & very responsive, lot more performance than the petrol & pulls like a train 5 up
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I'd haggle hard & try to get both ;)
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10 grand for a toy car. It's your money, and you can spend it how you wish... but the fact that you even mention paying off your mortgage a little suggests to me that that's what you'd rather do with it...
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Quite perceptive there Mapmaker.
We can afford it, its simply a matter of priorities:
New car.
2nd hand car and a little off the mortgage.
Old car and a little more off the mortgage.
Old car and a small extension.
I used to be undecided though now I am not so sure ;-)
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We can afford it, its simply a matter of priorities: New car. 2nd hand car and a little off the mortgage. Old car and a little more off the mortgage. Old car and a small extension. >>
I should think that any of the above car purchase options that does not shorten/lessen your mortgage means in effect that you are using the mortgage to finance the car.
Edited by jbif on 11/01/2010 at 14:45
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>>that you are using the mortgage to finance the car
And very sensible that is, generally, too. Cheap financing.
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It can be a very cheap way of doing it if you've got the right mortgage.
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And very sensible that is, generally, too. Cheap financing. >>
Yes, agreed.
It is often not realised by a mortgaged home-owner that using savings in this way effectively means buying the car with finance charged at the mortgage rate.
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Here's depreciation estimation off the net for you: years 1 to 4
Clio 1.2 TCe 100 (AC) 5dr £7,379 £6,069 £4,857 £4,065
Fiesta 1.4i Zetec 5dr £9,290 £6,753 £5,383 £ 4,249
So very roughly, after 3 years, the new Fiesta will lose you 10800-5383 = £5417
and the 58 reg Clio will lose you after 3 years, 7700-4065 = £3635
Basically, you're suffering more severe 1st year depreciation with the brand new Fiesta.
Cheers
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Thanks Bazza, useful info.
Thanks all, not fully decided yet, a 7 year old TT has been added to the list.
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Thanks all not fully decided yet a 7 year old TT has been added to the list.
Fiesta, TT - same sort of thing I suppose :-)
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