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About £75 if you are lucky. Everyone wants a laptop these days.
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What is a reasonable price to ask? >>
If you can legally sell it with the XP on it, then maybe £30 t0 £50? Possibly worth more selling it in parts on ebay?
This was £150 brand new today at Sainsbury's:
Intel Pentium Dual-Core Process E2180, Vista Home Premium, free upgrade to Windows7, 250GB hard disk, 2GB RAM and Hanns-g 19" widescreen LCD-TFT monitor.
Edited by jbif on 16/08/2009 at 20:58
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Such systems are really only worth what someone else is prepared to pay for it; they are never as valuable as you believe yourself as the technology advances at such a rapid pace whilst prices continue to fall.
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As others have said, value of this system will be low. Intel never did make a Pentium 4 that run at that speed either. Typo?
How much do you hope it is worth?
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You could find out without paying a fee by using ebid.
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I would have thought the 19" LCD would make it worth more than £75 - if you're in no hurry try putting it on a free site such as Adtrader for say £100 and see if you get any takers.
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I would have thought the 19" LCD would make it worth more than £75 - if you're in no hurry try putting it on a free site such as Adtrader for say £100 and see if you get any takers.
I'm in no particular hurry to sell just curious about what to ask. As you say, I would think the monitor itself is worth something.
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As others have said value of this system will be low. Intel never did make a Pentium 4 that run at that speed either. Typo?
No, I was quoting from the details about my PC on System.
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BTW install the latest version of OpenOffice and state in your advert that it comes with latest office software (quote blurb from OpenOffice website). Also install a good free anti-virus (Avast, Comodo, whatever). It helped me sell my old PC.
Edited by Focus {P} on 17/08/2009 at 11:21
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state in your advert that it comes with latest office software
(sorry - forgot to include the word 'suite' which always sounds good)
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The fastest Pentium 4 made ran at 3.8GHz. Well it did when it was not overheating. More common was the 3.6GHz version. There was a faster one, the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition the fastest version of that was 3.73GHz.
Maybe your system is overclocked? But you did mention it was a Dell so not likely be an extreme gaming machine.
As for value? Very little for a three year old PC. I could buy a brand new 19" LCD for about £80. And that's either widescreen or 4:3 aspect ratio LCD. So a three year old LCD won't be worth £75.
No harm sticking an advert up for it and keeping fingers crossed.
Edited by rtj70 on 17/08/2009 at 12:23
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My main PC is actually a pentium 4 EE 3.73. Its a warm (make that HOT*) beast for sure, and is power hungry, but has been reliable to date (It was a second hand cpu when i got it two years ago) and to be fair has not overly struggled with any workload thrown at it.
Its days are numbered tho, it wil be replaced soon.
* It shut down during the hot spell earlier this year. Had to take it apart, clean out the fan and heat sink fins, and clean off and renew the thermal paste. One of the piins on the CPU is darker than the others so has clearly been heat stressed, but it soldiers on.
I think its because its an EE. They were carefull chosen as best of the wafers, so I suspect would be more reliable anyway.
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If you can legally sell it with the XP on it then maybe £30 t0 £50?
Why shouldn't I be able to sell it legally? I have merely formatted the hard drive and reinstalled XP using the disc that came with it.
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reinstalled XP using the disc that came with it.
XP on disc definitely ups the value.
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I think there is a demand for desktops right now. They are hard to get and businsses and older people still prefer them. In fact I am now going to start building my own for clients as ready made ones are now so expensive. I would fit decent RAM, PSUs etc.
I think from experience you might get £100 for it. I recently bought a customers PC off him with the following specs due to a faulty HD (he wanted a new anyway) AMD 3800 X2, 2GB RAM, FSP PSU (I fitted to replace original Acer one), motherboard, DVD RW etc. I gave him £70 for it and it wasn't even working. I used the parts to make a new system for my parents.
The problem with your PC is the P4 was a pretty horrible processor, it always ran too hot and always seems to slow compared to what AMD were making at that time.
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I think there is a demand for desktops right now. They are hard to get and businsses and older people still prefer them. In fact I am now going to start building my own for clients as ready made ones are now so expensive. I would fit decent RAM PSUs etc.
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Depends what you mean by expensive I suppose, eBuyer generally have a 'basic' desktop system with no OS for around 200 quid ( see link). I'm sure trawling the Dell outlet there will be similar systems for not much more. Not as good value as the Sainsbury's system mentioned earlier, be interesting to know whether that was a local clearance or a nationwide offer.
www.ebuyer.com/product/168998
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eBuyer generally have a 'basic' desktop system with no OS for around 200 quid ( see link).
Excellent value, but even assuming you can get hold of an OS cheaply you've still got to find a display. If you've only got £100, the OP can provide you with a full system including a 19" LCD and a legal XP installation disc. Not a great gaming system, but fine for surfing/email etc.
Actually I'd try £120.
BTW presumably PC only has on-board graphics?
EDIT: just remembered it's a Dell - the name should also help.
Edited by Focus {P} on 18/08/2009 at 11:11
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>> eBuyer generally have a 'basic' desktop system >> with no OS for around 200 quid ( see link). Excellent value but even assuming you can get hold of an OS cheaply you've still got to find a display. If you've only got £100 the OP can provide you with a full system including a 19" LCD and a legal XP installation disc. Not a great gaming system but fine for surfing/email etc.
A fair point, I was really reponding to Rattle's comments on bespoke PC building rather than the OP's pricing query, which I didn't make clear.
Funnily enough I'm trying to work out investment options at spamcan towers, my main 'workhorse' PC ( 3GHz P4 desktop) has suffered a second motherboard fatality in 5 years, and I'm unsure whether to replace the mobo.; buy a S/H PC like the OP's ( although I don't need a monitor) or just go to eBuyer / Dell and get a brand spanking new base unit. Given current prices I suspect the latter option is the only one that makes sense really.
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I was really reponding to Rattle's comments on bespoke PC building rather than the OP's pricing query which I didn't make clear.
Apologies - I'd overlooked that bit of the thread.
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>>has suffered a second motherboard fatality in 5 years>>
As already mentioned, the Intel Pentium 4s were noted for high temperatures and not all that great a performance.
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But it's the motherboard that's died - but they can get hot and were not competitive with Athlon 64.
I did get an Intel P4 3.6GHz system using the government backed scheme which got you cheap PCs via salary swap. Quite a good system considering the price and it came with full onsite warranty for 3 years ;-) I'd have built an Athlon 64 system though but not for this price.
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and businsses and older people still prefer them.
Hard to get? simply log onto dell and you wil get one to your door. Or lenovo, or a trip to PC world.
start building my own for clients as ready made ones are now so expensive. I would fit decent RAM PSUs etc.
The cheapest dell starts at £159 INCLUDING Vista XP. (ex vat) You cant build them that cheap even if you take your labour time out of it.
The only way to make any money on systems you build for others is to go upmarket and specify and build bespoke systems that cost over £1k
For example I am shortly going to build for a client (when Windows 7 is out) an Intel I7 920
(overclocked) A Geforce GTX 285 video card, Spectacular polished silver mirror case (silent) and a 120gb SOLID STATE hard drive (c) and a 1TB drive (d)
For all this time (specify, build, load windows 7, update, overclock testing, and delivery) I will make about 100 quid. Its more a hobby than a business.
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The cheapest dell starts at £159 INCLUDING Vista XP. (ex vat)
Please could you provide a link?
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>> The cheapest dell starts at £159 INCLUDING Vista XP. (ex vat) Please could you provide a link?
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www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/business/Desktops/vostrod...1
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Ae, the i5 is out soon (so only dual channel memory) but might be worth looking at the price point they arrive at. Also means memory can be added in pairs. Most won't miss the bandwidth of the third channel on the i7. Motherboards will also be cheaper ;-) More margin?
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Possibly.
But for one of my clients the I5 will be two less than the I7. Its a "my amp goes up to 11" thing
who am i to argue! ;)
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But you're proposing the low end i7 920 and overclocking it. You might get an i5 that overclocks better (only dual channel) and starts at a higher clock too. Who knows until they are really out.
Those Dell "business" PCs would be fine for most people wouldn't they at that price! Not good for gaming unless you change the graphic card etc.
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well you know what its like rtj70. there is never the "right time" to jump in and finalise a bleeding edge high end build. It quickly becomes the wrong time. If you wait for whats coming you never end up building.
At the end of the day, you choose a date, then you check and see whats the best availble components that can be shipped to you that week and you go with it.
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If you wait for whats coming you never end up building.>>
Or, indeed, buying ready built.
Out of date before they are even on the shelves...:-)
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Those Dell "business" PCs would be fine for most people wouldn't they at that price! Not good for gaming unless you change the graphic card etc.
Yes, I think we're now beyond the point where the performance of even the most basic low end PC will do pretty much anything a non-gaming user is likely to want that pretty much anything will do the job - OK maybe systems with 1GB of RAM might struggle with Vista, but DDR2 memory is <10 quid per gig. My youngest daughter's Dell 4400 ( 1.7 GHz P4 1 GB of RAM) copes fine with its diet of facebook / napster / iplayer.
For a new basic system it looks like a pretty close call between the eBuyer system + OS versus the Dell Vostro, including VAT and delivery plus some 3rd party RAM.
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For a new basic system it looks like a pretty close call between the eBuyer system + OS versus the Dell Vostro including VAT and delivery plus some 3rd party RAM.
Personally I'd go with the eBuyer system - more easily upgradeable, as don't Dell use their own motherboards?
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Personally I'd go with the eBuyer system - more easily upgradeable as don't Dell use their own motherboards?
Yes, I think so, certainly when the proceesor fan died in the aforementioned 4400 the BIOS recognised that I'd changed the fan type and wouldn't let Windows boot! In the end I had to leave the dead fan in circuit and connect my cheapo one from Maplin in parallel.
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 18/08/2009 at 15:12
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On the whole, for the cheaper ranges most of the makers use generic motherboards but with modified BIOS's
Your fan issue could be that you didnt replace your dead fan with one that had a speed sensor. This is a failry common scenario even with branded motherboards the home builder can buy (but mostly with these you can turn the speed check off in bios)
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I had a client that wanted a Dual Core system to last around ten years. He had a budget of £300 and it had to be brand new. It should be an easy task but he also wanted it tomorrow. Of all places I had to get ripped of at Argos. Comet used to do some very good deals on ready built desktops but not any longer.
The problem is ready built systems are pain when you need to upgrade. A had a client who was sold a gaming machanic at a well known PC store and it had built in graphics despite its quad cure. To make matters worse the PSU was 300 wattts, 10 amps on one rail and 8 on the other or something like that.
I had to replace the power supply to a Corsair unit which cost me £45.00 when the existing one was perfectly ok and was only two months told.
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I had a client that wanted a Dual Core system to last around ten years. He had a budget of £300 and it had to be brand new. >>
Personally I think 10 years as totally unrealistic in terms component lifetime, nevermind SW support! 300 quid is taking the mickey!
I had to replace the power supply to a Corsair unit which cost me £45.00 when the existing one was perfectly ok and was only two months told.
I'd have thought as a supplier you'd take the price you pay and add a % markup to the end client, so isn't it better for you if the parts are mroe expensive, or is my understanding of the business model here wrong?
Edited by SpamCan61 {P} on 18/08/2009 at 14:26
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Here's a pic of my PC and scanner. I've advertised it, with all discs, for £120.
i177.photobucket.com/albums/w231/Robbie34_photo/IM...g
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Very similar in appearance, especially the case, to a Mesh system I bought on behalf of an elderly friend in late 2004.
I'm sure someone will be perfectly happy to spend £120 or a bit less for it for surfing, e-mailing etc, especially with the scanner included.
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The base unit appears identical to SWMBO's Dell Dimension 5150 I bought 4 years ago, a 3.2 GHz P4 which runs very quietly, a nice machine. I've not poked about inside it much ( breaking SWMBO's internet shopping machine would not be good) IIRC it's a BTX motherboard, which is relatively rare I believe.
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it's a BTX motherboard, which is relatively rare I believe. >>
Yes, it was Intel's specification for its follow up to the ATX form factor, but never seemed to find a lot of favour.
www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1763/
www.btxformfactor.com/
Example of BTX motherboard:
tekgems.com/Products/et-29236-mbb-d955xcs.htm
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Sold it to the first person who called.
I let him have it for £110 as he was a fireman at Liverpool Airport.
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Good for you. A happy outcome all round.
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same here, could have been easier to take it to the tip. another of these wonderful 'lectrik numbur box fingys lives on.
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hear hear! last time I was down Christchurch tip there was a vast pile of desktop PC cases, including what appeared to be a cosmetically perfect iMac G3. I was sorely tempted to take it home and stick the internals of a PC in it. :-)
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