No, not some Daily Mail scare story but bought to us by the Telegraph.( Video News )
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I read this today and did so twice just to make sure I had it correctly. So we have reached the stage where an unpaid parking ticket ( and that could be one you are contesting ) would be used to prevent you from leaving the UK under the new border rules.
Now I can understand wanting to stop some body suspected of being involved in say a Hit and Run or a fatal RTA where charges have been made. I could even handle it if it was because you faced charges such as driving with no insurance... but Parking Tickets ?
How many of our London posters on here haven't felt the need to challenge what they think could be a wrongly issued ticket and yet for that, could be denied a business flight because it stands as an unpaid parking fine.
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Wow! It's the Telegraph, not the Mail. That makes a difference.
No doubt there will be some sort of time limit on this - say that a CCJ has been awarded - before there will be a denial of travel.
Personally, I'm absolutely in favour of catching people who do not pay their fiscal debts to society.
(OTOH I am very much against the tax-and-spend habits of our current Chancellor, and the similar inclinations of his Shadow.)
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As we came through Immigration at the airport last summer I happened to turn as my wife's passport was scanned and see "no outstanding warrants" come up on the screen. No reason why it shouldn't work on exit, I suppose.
How come things like this always seem to be used for the most piddling matters such as parking fines, though?
BTW, Mapmaker: which paper do you think we can rely on?
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which paper do you think we can rely on?>>
None of them but the Telegraph is the best of a bad bunch and anyway it houses interesting pages from HJ.
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Typical of the present Governments's joy in "rolling out" new legislation! What is needed is firm use of the powers which already exist for the enforcement of fines, penalties CCJs etc. Send in the bailiffs, confiscate the flat screen TVs and watch the worms squirm!
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What about the point: "How many of our (..) posters on here haven't felt the need to challenge what they think could be a wrongly issued ticket and yet for that, could be denied a business flight because it stands as an unpaid parking fine." ?
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Does anyone think this will really happen for one or two unpaid parking fines? Hundreds, perhaps. One or two, highly unlikely. Yet another storm in a teacup.
It isn't as if there weren't any real news stories. It's just that the papers have fired all the hacks and rely increasingly on PR and other free 'information' handouts. They've fired all the subs too so you are lucky if the story is written in a language resembling English.
Load of cobblers.
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I would think that a jounalist has had an interview with the people concerned and having asked the question about who would be denied the right to leave the country under new legislation might well have received an answer that included the unpaid parking ticket scenario.
How can any one believe that an unpaid parking fine is reason enough to deny some one their right to travel out of the UK ?
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I would think that a jounalist has had an interview with the people concerned
Why would you think that? I wouldn't.
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Does anyone think this will really happen for one or two unpaid parking fines? Hundreds perhaps. One or two highly unlikely.
Why would you think that? I wouldn't.
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Keep worrying FT. I'm sure it will do you good.
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Not worried personally - but I haven't got my head stuck fast in the sand, either.
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Judging by the nature of the way petty rules and restrictions are heaped on motorists, I could well believe that just a couple of unpaid parking tickets would make leaving the country impossible.
It wasn't that long ago I read of the Child Support Agency calling for those fathers who hadn't met their payments , to have their driving licences suspended as a punishment. Please will some one explain the connection between driving and not paying your child support ?
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Please will some one explain the connection between driving and not paying your child support ?
Certainly. They both cost money. If you can't afford both, the CSA thinks you should pay the child support rather than motoring costs.
A bit complicated I know.
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That would only make sense if you owned and ran your own vehicle but removing a licence might prevent you from working where a company car / van was supplied.
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Been in operation for a long time in Germany if you have any unpaid fines they normally pull you at the airport.
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Does that inc parking tickets ? If so, what happens if you are contesting on the grounds of cloned plates or wrong issue. Are you prevented from leaving the country ?
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Guilty until proved innocent is the current policy. Easier to mess people about and inconvenience them with a loopy system run by crippled computers than create a sensible fair system and make it work 100% from day 1!
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Surely the real point here is that if you IGNORE a parking fine and fail to enter a plea with the court in the statutory time then the fine is levied as a court fine. Efforts will be made to recover this from you in the normal way. eventually this will become a warrant for your arrest. That's the bit that might cause you travel problems under the e-borders system. You could hardly claim you knew nothing about it, and you'd have had your chance to contest the matter with the court.
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Aren't a lot of parking fines now issued by councils who have taken over control of parking and yellow lines ( they have in my town ). That would make it a civil debt surely, so are we now proposing to block people from traveling because of a civil debt ?
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Probably kite flying by govt but when you read this sort of thing tinyurl.com/c2xj8b it makes you wonder.
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Thats pathetic Bromptonaut but then again, there are those on here who would happily defend it on the basis it doesn't happen to many. That doesn't make it right in my book.
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Unless it's clearly laid down as to what is acceptable and what isn't then the same rules have to apply to everyone and every offence.
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We have had a similar scheme for a year or three now, but there is a lower limit below which you can be warned but not prevented from travelling. Roughly two thousand pounds equivalent. There were a few high-profile stops in the early days, but no recent reports of stops. The matter is well-publicised, so no excuse for being unaware of the risks of skipping the country.
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Going away for a business meeting or a holiday would hardly be ' skipping the country ".
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I would quite like to see a few chavs prevented from boarding their Costa del flight, because they've been found out for not paying society's dues
as long as there is a system for detailing the difference between serial non compliance and a genuine dispute, then i'd be happy with it
but that'll be the problem...some halfwit bureaucrat won't be bothered with looking at the bigger picture and ensuring it works how the legislators intended it..oh no..there'll be strict compliance with 'rules' come what may, even if they appear ludicrous.. and it'll affect the wholly innocent who might be contesting a parking ticket or similar
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What we need is a law that works the other way - i.e. foreigners cannot leave the country if they have fines outstanding. That way, we might get fairer justice in the UK, where all too often foreigners get away with virtually every traffic violation while we Brits get penalised up to the hilt.
Time we introduce the French way of things - pay up now, or go to jail!
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'.there'll be strict compliance with 'rules' come what may, even if they appear ludicrous.. and it'll affect the wholly innocent who might be contesting a parking ticket or similar'...
The man in the tin foil agrees with Mr Pig. It won't be the final tool used to deal with some one who has a few grands worth of unpaid tickets but the first one to be used for the one ticket you have appealed against.
Give it a couple of years in operation and then it will have spread to an unpaid gas bill or an outstanding Library book.
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' Give it a couple of years in operation and then it will have spread to an unpaid gas bill or an outstanding Library book.
Aye. we arre allll dooooomed.
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