tinyurl.com/d9kwjl
Currently only to travel abroad, including by road, boat, 'plane, or even swimming across the Channel. Comply or be fined up to £5,000.
"rules which will require the provision of travellers' personal information such as passport and credit card details, home and email addresses and exact travel plans".
It's coming very fast, isn't it.
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 15/03/2009 at 13:13
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Not wanting to go all conspiracy here, but I think you're kidding yourself if you think that this information isn't already being tracked and stored somewhere
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Not wanting to go all conspiracy here
Quite, Chris, but it won't stop them...
Interesting that as soon as you arrive in Calais that you can travel miles before your checked again... though the theorists will probably point out that they can check your progress using your credit card trail when buying fuel!
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Don't forget to turn your mobile phone off as well, because you'll be tracked using that. I've seen it on CSI.
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I don't have to give my exact travel plans, though. "I am driving to France via - and -, then will visit - and - then go via - to - returning from -, etc., etc.
I take it that you think this is a good thing?
What do you mean by "go all conspiracy here", BTW?
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What do you mean by "go all conspiracy here" BTW?
Well, my conspiracy theory is that all your travel plans are being tracked anyway.
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For the holiday I've booked to Turkey in June, don't you think if the government really wanted to they could keep a record of where I've been without me even knowing about it?
For example, if you were really up to no good, then when you got to Eurotunnel and they asked where you were going you probably wouldn't tell them the truth would you!?
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hope this isn't true, but fear otherwise in our increasingly Big Brother society ... I used to work with a chap had spent a few years in a police force press office. He reckoned that The Authorities were able to tap into a landline anywhere, when it wasn't being used (i.e. handset off the hook), to listen to conversations going on in the room.
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you're kidding yourself if
My very thought CW. It's just another form to fill in, like the bits of paper they give you in aircraft which the immigration at your destination file in the bin. Storm in a teacup.
Edited by Lud on 14/03/2009 at 18:29
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"It's coming very fast, isn't it"
Who now thinks that 1984 was a satire, I wonder?
I comfort myself that this load of incompetents won't be able to do anything useful with all that data anyway. They have enough trouble tracking criminals, hospital appointments and uninsured vehicles!
The worry, of course, is that they will get it wrong and be unable to rectify the mistake. I pity anyone wrongly identified by the criminal records bureau when such checks are required by employment - this has already happened over 2000 times.
As ever, this will inconvenience everyone except the people it is designed to catch. Let's just hope the Home Secretary's travel plans get broadcast...
Edited by J Bonington Jagworth on 14/03/2009 at 11:21
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It's a damned disgrace. It's none of ANY government's business where I go and why.
Now then - be nice little robots, won't you and fall in with their mind & body control plans.
Governments are supposed to SERVE the people, not to mould us all into unthinking tax-money machines whose purpose is to fund their own overweening power complexes and soft lifestyles.
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The Government is incompetent.
Instead of just doing things on an exception basis, which focusses on risk and minimises data.. they cover everything,
SO data is swamped by noise.
See money laundering regulations.
Apologies: the Government are not incompetent.. well they are.. but basically they are stupid...
Anyone fancy tracking 5 million tourists in August..
ANd of course illegal immigrants still keep coming.. why not deal with them first?
Or all the illegals not deported?
Sorry too difficult...
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"data is swamped by noise"
That would be a lot more useful than 'Honi soit qui mal y pense'...
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My Grandad used to say - no-one checked his Passport in 1915 and later in 1940/1944 when he went to France. Mind you they never checked the Germans' passports either did they.
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It;s not really that new an idea. As an amateur genealogist, I have tracked my great grandfather from Tilbury in 1897, to Melbourne, Sydney & Brisbane, then to New Zealand and finally to Hawaii in 1903 and to USA.........all through ship passenger lists available via on line archives. The notion that the govt' keeps this data for only 10 years is, patently, "sphericals".
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i used to think 'i've got nothing to worry about - my records clean' but not so much these days after hearing all the horror stories of false positives on CRB's etc. but hey come on now the government only tracks us because they care....right?
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All this data mining can get innocent people in trouble I guess.
I suppose if you are spotted with ANPR or something, innocently travelling in a daily commute that happens to coincide with a 'target' of the system, you could come under observation.
If all travel records are crossed referenced with events who knows what might pop up?
I was in Mauritius in 1971 (I think) when the Russians turned up during the state of emergency. And in Bangladesh just after it was created in 1972
I was in Angola just before the Coup in 1974.
I was in Chile for both the Marxists getting in (1970) and getting chucked out (1973)
I was in Cyprus just before the Turks invaded in 1974.
Hmmm
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Let me know where you're holidaying this year so I can go somewhere else ! :-)
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So a supporter of a well-known terrorist organisation only has to say he's travelling to Paris on Eurostar for work, with no firm return date, hop on a flight from CDG to perhaps Turkey or Russia, and then hop further East to his final destination, and his trail is cold.
I, on the other hand, will tell them I'm going to stay with my sister in NW France and her noisy kids, in order to sort out the plumbing and electrics that her good-for-nothing husband can't be bothered to do, which won't interest the spooks at all, but will waste their time.
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which won't interest the spooks at all but will waste their time.
Could provide useful prosecution leads such as infringement of French labour laws protecing local workers (I'm confident they exist); compliance with French plumbing and electrical regulations; use of a worker doubtless unqualified according to local rules and possible racially motivated slander of a local citizen husband, if that's what he is.
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Let me know where you're holidaying this year so I can go somewhere else ! :-)
Touring Europe on the bike ;>)
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"Government to Introduce Fixed Penalties for Itinerary Deviation"
- might the headline we see in a few years.
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its a big project being run by ratheon
biggest critial milestone is the olympics by when its supposed to be firing on all cylinders
but likely to have numerous challenges like all govt IT programmes
same as national IT card scheme will be a similar multi billion pound disaster as nhs IT has been
its all a bit of a shambles really
airport security is already a joke which any 6 year old with half a brain could breach and does nothing but hassle genuine peace loving travelling families
this government gets more and more like stalinist russia every day
ill carry my copy of the magna carta to show them
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Britain is now on a footing with Eastern Germany as it was in the 70's.
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funny that.
I just watched a program on BBC 2 about the communist life in Eastern Germany.
At least they had constant employment, good health benefits. lol
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I'm watching as I type......
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I still don't see why so much information is required. Surely just logging every passport out as well as in will keep check on numbers.
And why travel plans? Once you're out, you're out. What happens if you go to the North of France, but then once there, you decide to go down South. Do you have to "ring home" and seek authorisation, or just do it and get fined if you get found out!
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One has to ask, is this the beginning of the prophetic end time scenario, when everyone is required to be marked or else !
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yeh lets go for broke and all get bar codes on our foreheads !
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I wonder if it would be possible to hack in and decide who would not be allowed back in .....
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yeh lets go for broke and all get bar codes on our foreheads ! >>
It may soon come to that. Among some examples in yesterday's article here:
www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/13/ico_cctv_met/
are these two cases:
"... incident ? in which two policemen stopped him on the grounds that he "looked over-confident" ... "
and
" .... Police have been reported as arguing that although they have no powers to compel an individual to be scanned, a refusal to accede to a police request in this respect may itself be suspicious, thereby allowing the stop and search to go ahead anyway. ... "
Why are we all sitting back, silently, allowing all these things to happen? In the meantime the black clad protestors who were shouting abuse at the Anglian troops on the streets of Luton last week are back on the streets - see tomorrow's edition [Sunday] of the Telegraph.
Edited by jbif on 15/03/2009 at 00:04
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yeh lets go for broke and all get bar codes on our foreheads !
Not nearly enough. I recently had my heart pacemaker checked. The technician was dictating a huge amount of data from a long printout to a computer operater and I asked her what it was all about. Well, for example, she said, your heart fibrillated for three seconds at 5:02 a.m. on October 17th. last...
Scary, but surely the technology exists to programme some such device to record all our autonomous and voluntary activities and then to transmit them via the airwaves to GCHQ, thence to its partners, from where we can be constantly monitored. We could also be deleted remotely. To hell with ID cards: all of this has GOT to interest our control freak Prime Minister and his European and American masters.
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yeh lets go for broke and all get bar codes on our foreheads !
The ban on "hoodies" and baseball caps in some places is a preparation for this.:-)
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ill carry my copy of the magna carta to show them
A few months ago on Today in Parliament, I heard a Labour Peer make a long and deeply unimpressive case against the concept of "common sense". Looking at the wider implications of this, I just don't think something as ancient, dusty and old-skool as the Magna Carta cuts it anymore. "After all", she said, "this is 2009"
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"After all" she said "this is 2009"
More like 1984, but with extra toppings.
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Soon it will be compulsory for sheep to have electronic tags, which can be read by a hand held scanner.
Why don't the government electronically tag everyone, it would solve all these problems.
I can't understand why everyone is complaining about the present government, surely they are only looking after our interests. Anyone would think by some of the posts that they are only lining their own pockets. This can't possibly be true, can it?
Is this a bit better, Mods?
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If I'd started this thread...
Some one would have mentioned ' tin foil '
Some one else would have mentioned Daily Hate and Conspiracy in the same breath and some one else would have put - No politics (Read Only ) at the end of it.
What a strange place this is.
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Agreed Mr X. Mentioning the Daily Mail is now a requirement for those self-appointed arbiters of taste and decency. Know your place.
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You really have a good point there Mr X. The relationship of this thread to motoring is quite tenuous at best, so for that alone, I've locked it.
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