Probably. Most people do not trade in worthless cars for brand new ones. Most people who buy new cars swap their cars every 2-5 years, long before they are scrappable.
In fact, most people who buy new cars are lease companies... so it will make no difference to them.
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Probably. Most people do not trade in worthless cars for brand new ones. Hi Mapmaker! - well, while its a bit of a bonus to be thought of as 'unique' and while what you say does make certain sense, it appears to be at variance with what has happened on the Continent, where thousands of 'old bangers' have been traded in against new vehicles, tempted by a £2,500 government cash-back!
I for my sins always buy new, [present car 1997 Peugeot 306 -D.Turbo] and run them into the ground, thus erradicating the dreaded depreciation factor of changing every 2or3 years.
I would be a bit gutted to dispose of my 306, only for such a scheme, as implemented on the continent, to be introduced by the Government !!!
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It's a fine example of style over substance.
Govt announces scrappage scheme and gushes about how hundreds of thousands of old polluting death-traps will be taken off the road, and replaced by cars so green they actually make the environment better by driving them.
In reality the target is missed by 50% or more, but that's brushed under the carpet by the millions of tons of carbon saved by the next new announcement - which I can confidently predict will have us all pedalling stationary bikes as we work, thus giving us health-benefits as well as generating electricity when the wind isn't blowing hard enough to turn all the windmills now being installed.
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I'm not so much hanging on as keeping an eye out for this proposed scheme - there's a possiblity I will need a new commuter in the next few weeks and if I do I will trade in the old dog car to take advantage.
I agree about not many people trading 10 year old cars for brand new but I think there will be quite a few people with a spare car that they will weigh in to relace a more regularly used car.
I think the German scheme applies to 2nd hand cars upto 1 year old - sounds like its another 11 month old Mondeo for me (watch those prices go).
MPZ
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There is an obvious snag in the scheme's achieving its objective, and that is if there is a requirement for the scrapped car to have an MOT.
For many people the decision to replace their car is occasioned precisely because their old one has failed its MOT. But then it would be too late to qualify. The intention surely can't be to persuade people to have say £1000 worth of repairs done solely so that the car can be scrapped?
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According to Daily Wail today, Ministers are backing the idea of a 'cash-for-scrap' bounty under plans to kickstart the motor industry.
Paul Everitt, chief executive of the Society of Motor Manufactures and Traders, which has been lobbying Ministers for help, said: 'The scheme would allow both cars and light commercial vehicles (vans) over nine years old to be scrapped in return for a £2,000 cash incentive towards a new or nearly new vehicle.
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Get the car tested in the month before the MOT is due, if it fails you have 30 days to get the dosh, based on your current/pass MOT - or would the compter spot that?
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I can't help thinking that this scheme will be compulsory. Once a vehicle reaches 9 years old, you will simply not be able to tax or mot it and there for not be able to use it on our roads.
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We too are holding out replacing the written off Signum until this scheme has been started or rumours killed off.
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We too are holding out replacing the written off Signum until this scheme has been started or rumours killed off.
If it's written off is the MOT still valid? Can crashed cars qualify for the scheme?
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If it's written off is the MOT still valid? Can crashed cars qualify for the scheme?
Sorry to put a 'dampner' on your plans, but the Government scheme will be virtually identical to the Eco scheme presently operated by Vauxhall.
The criteria for which the 'cash-back' for scrapped will apply is as follows:-
The car proposed for scrapping will have to be owned[for an absolute minimum of 3 months] by the person purchasing the new car. The car will have to be in roadworthy condition, complete with a current MOT and be able to be driven to the dealer [roadworthy condition].
Dealer discounts will still be negociable with the dealer, as the cash-back for the scrapped car will be a separate 'deal' with the government, but administered by the dealer.
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Ooops! - omitted to say in the 'criteria' section, that cars must be over 9/10 years old.
Also, as far as I can determine, the whole aim of the proposed scheme is to tempt owners of cars already taxed/insured/MOT'd [and which comply with the required criteria] to scrap them for a 'government bounty' and purchase a new car.
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>> We too are holding out replacing the written off Signum until this scheme has been >> started or rumours killed off. >> If it's written off is the MOT still valid? Can crashed cars qualify for the scheme?
Actually I should have clarified, we have a Golf thats here waiting for no2 son to take/pass his test, its worth £500 max but we'd def let it go for £2k guv ;)
However, back to the reply, that Golf is a CatD after vandalism damage, wonder if that applies? In theory they're scrapping them so I dont see why not!
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I can't help thinking that this scheme will be compulsory. Once a vehicle reaches 9 years old you will simply not be able to tax or mot it and there for not be able to use it on our roads.
I would not imagine that it will be compulsory, but I would think that eventually once vehicles get to a certain age that they would be taxed to such a point that it would them uneconomical to run.
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"once vehicles get to a certain age that they would be taxed to such a point that it would them uneconomical to run. "
or subject to very arduous inspection/testing, as in Japan.
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AFAIK, the French scheme only stipulates that the car should be over a certain age and/or destined for the scrappy - presumably because it doesn't have a current sticker or has failed the two-yearly 'Controle Technique' test. I assume any car over the age limit that is turned in will have to be scrapped to comply with the scheme.
From this vantage point the UK looks as if it will manage (if it happens at all) to turn a simple process into a bureaucratic nightmare. Sigh.
Edited by mike hannon on 11/03/2009 at 11:39
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Whats illuminating for me in this whole matter is how readily the government shove aside green issues for those of big business.
Sadly, it gives the lie to there being any real commitment to environmental issues. But happily, it now confirms that anyone who suspected that green issues are being used as a stealthy, feel-good tax was right all along.
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Good grief: even the highly dubious George Monbiot thinks it's devious nonsense:
tinyurl.com/bkr9vz
Did I say devious? Peter Mandelson -- devious? Surely not . . . or perhaps maybe.
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I think scrapping a perfectly usable vehicle is a great idea. What with all their inefficiencies, old cars should be binned and replaced with new ones, it'll help the motor industry too!
In fact, why stop there? Why not do the same with houses - all the old ones are draughty, lose heat like nobody's business their carbon footprint must be huge, and the house building sector also needs a kick start.
So, anyone in a house more than 10 years old should be taxed to leave it and made to part-ex it for a new one. And who wants all these old buildings around the place anyway? Destroy it all I say.
Does sarcasm come across in type? I wasn't sure....
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Yes Gareth I get and agree with your message.
My Passat will be 9 years old next year, it is low mileage and in excellent condition. It has passed all it's MOTs first time, with no emmission problems. I still enjoy driving the car and it would be perfectly capable of going to Berlin and back.
Why should people pay tax so that this car can be scrapped? It's total nonsence, the lousy government have been trying to stop people driving for 11 years and now people are not buying it is in a panic.
All most of the old cars on the road need is a bit of Millers fuel treatment and a good run. That would clean the cobwebs out.
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Whats illuminating for me in this whole matter is how readily the government shove aside green issues for those of big business.
Not as quickly as the Bank of England has shoved aside its commitment to keeping inflation in check and starting printing money by the cartload
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My Cordoba estate TDi i've just bought for £1800 is nine years old in september and nowhere near ready for the scrapyard, it's madness, oh and it'll do about 55mpg....so not too un-green certianly better then my arosa or lexus.
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Am I the only person postponing sale of 'old banger'/purchasing new while Government 'dithers' over proposed Motor Trader's scheme.
On the contrary, I am thinking of 'investing' in cheap old bangers and storing them (with just a valid MOT) until I need to buy new cars in the future!
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>> >> On the contrary I am thinking of 'investing' in cheap old bangers and storing them (with just a valid MOT) until I need to buy new cars in the future!
That was my scheme. You don't need to buy new cars yourself - simply sell them to people who do. Scrapyards could run schemes where you "sponsor" one of their cars, 3 months in advance of buying new. You need never see or drive it, just pay the fee to the scrapyard and collect your £2500.
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This happened in Denmark some years ago, and a lot of old bangers were taken off the road, but their MOT rules were way below ours, and only every 2 years. Germany does it because of the amount of cars they make there. BMW, Mercedes, Open (Vauxhall) Ford. Luxury stuff down to every day models. What cars do we make here. Only luxury models - and I can't see those being subsidised. Range Rover, Jaguar, Bentley (well a few) Rolly Royce.
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"What cars do we make here."
Toyota, Nissan, Honda, . . .
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Loo>> Am I the only person postponing sale of 'old banger'/purchasing new while Government 'dithers' overproposed Motor Trader's scheme.
Looks like Gordon's lachie Alistair, following Mandy's reccommendations, will announce the implementation of the much awaited 'car scrappage scheme' at the April budget.
Qualifying criteria will be:-
1. Proposed car to be purchased, must be new or less than one year old.
2. Emissions of proposed car to be purchased must be less than that of car to be scrapped.
3. Car to be scrapped must be over 9 years old, complete with M.O.T. be capable
of being driven to dealer's forecourt and must have been registered, for a minimum period [yet to be determined], in the name of the purchaser.
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2. Emissions of proposed car to be purchased must be less than that of car to be scrapped.
If the car being scrapped is over 9 years old where do they get emissions figures for it?
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