Sorry mods - this relates to a Kawasaki ZZR600 which is not in the list - I had to put something in. {sorted}
Are there any motorcycle alarm experts on this site?
I'm having some trouble programming a new transmitter for the Datatool Stealth alarm/immobiliser system on my Kawasaki ZZR600. The previous transmitter died (second time since I've owned the bike), so I ordered a new one. Identical model and part numbers to the previous one.
I've followed the instructions to the letter, but something odd happened, and now I'm struggling.
I took the lid off the alarm box, and removed the internal battery. I then removed the inline fuse from the live feed. So far so good.
I located the two green tagged "loop wires" (not used on this bike, and taped up separately). I then joined them using a block connector, and ran a wire from this block connector to the battery +ve terminal. The alarm started going off - or rather I could hear its relays clicking (the siren was disconnected).
I then switched on the ignition, and reconnected the inline fuse. As I went to reconnect the internal battery, I caught a whiff of smoke, and was shocked to see the alarm end of the inline fuse holder glowing, and burning away to nothing. I quickly shut the ignition off and pulled the fuse again. The fuse holder was totalled, but the inline fuse itself was completely intact (verified by multimeter). This kind of makes sense, as the battery side of the fuse holder was just fine.
I found a spare inline fuse holder in my toolbox, and wired this in place, refitting the original fuse. Now the alarm is doing all sorts of weird stuff. If I repeat the instructions as per the leaflet (and as done before with total success), sometimes the alarm will go off, when I turn on the ignition, and other times it does nothing. It will not accept the new transmitter whatever happens. There has been no repeat episode of the burning, and the new fuse holder is fine.
Any suggestions? How easy are these things to uninstall?
Cheers
DP
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 26/07/2008 at 01:01
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To uninstall the alarm it depends on how good a job the original alarm fitter made of it. To remove it you basically need to remove all of the alarm components and associated wiring and where the original bike wiring loom has been cut into for the alarm, you need to locate what should connect to where and rejoin everything as standard. Unless you are fairly competent with auto electrics I would suggest that maybe you leave this job to an auto electrcian. It should only take and hour to do, two at the most.
Other than that, try asking for further help on a bike specific forum. I will point you in the direction of www . bikechatforums . com (remove the spaces). There are some very knowledgable people on there, unfortunately there are some idiots on there too, just ignore them.
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Thanks Simon.
I've left it overnight with everything disconnected, and bought some new connectors for the live feed which look a little iffy.
If I have no joy later, I will try your forum suggestion.
Funny about the idiots - I was a regular poster on Visordown for years and left for that reason. Must be a bike thing... :-(
Cheers
DP
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Just managed to bypass the immobiliser (two lengths of wire used to bridge two pairs of pins in one of the connectors to the alarm PCB). Bike now starts and runs :-).
Pulled the inline fuse, removed the circuit board from the alarm box, put the bridged connectors snugly inside the box where they'll stay dry, and refitted the box back in its original location. That'll do me! At least this way it saves disturbing the loom and removing the connections put in by the installer.
Just wish I'd done the same thing before spending £35 on a new transmitter, but hey ho.
Thanks for your help.
Cheers
DP
Edited by DP on 26/07/2008 at 22:19
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>>Funny about the idiots - I was a regular poster on Visordown for years and left for
>>that reason. Must be a bike thing... :-(
No I don't think its a bike thing, I am a member of a few bike forums but more specialist kind of ones. Ie a bike model specific one and two local groups to me.
Bike Chat Forums is a huge site and attracts a lot of members and there are a large turn over of posts, but because it is a general bike forum it seems to attract a lot of kids and dare I say the more immature elders? There are some good folk on there but there is a problem with sarcasm and stupid replies etc. You have to just rise above it all.
I only go on there if I am really bored, biking wise I mainly stick to my local biking sites forum where the members are 'real' and we actually meet up etc. Which can be a strange concept for an internet forum - one where you actually know most people in real life.
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Very true about the specialist forums, although ours fizzled out due to people moving on. Still in touch with a few of the regulars though. It's a shame when a few ruin something for everyone else. In Visordown's case, there was a real 'clique' which was downright hostile to 'outsiders' at times, and people who seemed to think they had the right to flame people for everything from spelling mistakes to posting topics which they didn't personally find relevant. Then there were the flouncers who would announce in dramatic fashion that they were leaving, as if they were expecting some kind of global outcry of misery. It really was quite pathetic at times.
I'm trying to decide what to do with this ZZR. It's been sitting for a while, and I'm not riding much these days (2 young kids and working long hours). Part of me thinks I should sell it, and part of me thinks for the pittance it's worth, I should hang on to it. I'll get a year's test on it and see how we go. It's nice not to have to worry about this alarm though, which has always been a bit temperamental, and has been back to Datatool twice for repair according to the service records I got with the bike.
If you ever find yourself Hampshire / Surrey way, give me a shout. We can meet up for a ride or a beer (but not at the same time, obviously)
Cheers mate
DP
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Hi, go to www.mcnninjas.co.uk they have a bike alarm forum moderated by an installer.
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DP
Could you tell me how did you pinned connectors please. I am having same problem on ZZR1100 and want to disconnect alarm in the same way as you did.
Regards
Kris
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Kris,
I'll take a pic over the weekend and post a link to it. It's only two pairs of pins - dead easy when you know how, but unfortunately I've forgotten which two pairs. Sorry.
I need to drag mine out at some point over the weekend and start prepping it for its MOT, so I'll do it then.
Cheers
DP
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Thanks a lot! much appreciated!
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Kris,
There should be three connectors going to the board.
1x white 6 pins in line
1x white 8 pins in line
1x brown 3 pins lin line.
The only connector you are interested in is the 6 pin in-line one. You need to bridge both outer pins on this connector to their immediate neighbours, as per the (poor) photo:
i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv196/DP_75/SNC00279.j...g
This is a temporary solution using some Maplin jumper wires I had kicking around. I will rig up something more permanent as part of the preparation for getting her back on the road over the next month or so.
Once you've done this and confirmed the bike runs, remove the alarm PCB and throw it as far away as possible. Put your bridged connector and the two emptys back inside the alarm box, seal the lid, and place the box back in its original location. Also disconnect any battery connections for the alarm, and as an extra precaution, remove the in-line fuse from its live feed.
I will never have another motorcycle alarm as long as I live!
Cheers
DP
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Thankyou Thank you Thank you Thank you.
You star!!!
I have a pesky Datatool sys 3 on my GSXR its been playing up since the winter, I have tried all the usuall fixes (ie de spiking etc ) but it just got worse and worserer (sic)
Started off with the alarm not sounding very loud then the chirps not working then finally not un-alarming when the key fob is pressed.
I took out the PCB cleaned it up (it was very very corroded) to no avail then found this forum.
THANKS again, now i can finally ride my bike again, and until i can afford a new pcb (£140 on ebay) its going to stay that way. so my bike starts and works again without having to try to take the old alarm off the Loom. (im no sparky so that would be a nightmare for me!)
Cheers DP for the photo and info.
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hi there, I have a ZR7s with a Datatool Evo and think it's similar at least, sadly the photo doesn't work, could you possible send me it or help at all , would appreciate it tremendously.
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Don't know if anyones going to reply to this thread since its so old, but heregoes. I've got the same bike with the same alarm and its driving me nuts! I want to work on the bike, I need to check the valve clearances, but the alarm won't let me disconnect the battery. I disarmed the alarm with the fob, took out the inline fuse, and disconnected the battery negative terminal and the alarm went off. I disarmed it after putting the fuse back in and it reset itself. There's advice in the thread about taking the thing out completely, but its actually a very good alarm (too good!) so I dont want to wreck it, but it might come to that, its come very close to hammer blows. To cap it all its got, I think torx 15 security screws in the alarm case, which I need to undo if I'm going to take out the internal batteries, and I can't seem to get one anywhere.
Any advice would be appreciated.
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