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All a needless worry in the event. She renewed the licence speedily without any problems, and no questions were asked about the apparent "gap".
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I should say probably a summons for no D/L.
If DVLA do not send a reminder to the over 70/medical or lost in post then YOU can get a form from Post Office and submit an application for renewal. Whilst an application has been submitted and being actioned you are covered to drive.
No mention of submitting a renewal?
Should not effect your Insurance as there will be a clause covering driver who holds, has held a Licence to drive and is not disqualified (by age, court order) from driving.
Expired Licence = no Licence = power to Police to seize the vehicle.
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i got stopped by police last week, and got an on the spot fine, 60 quid and 3 points, apparantly my licence expired in 2004. i dont know how this has happend, the expiry date on my licence is 2033. i dont know how this has happend, i've been stopped loads of times with no problems, c r o's, and 7 day wonders, then right out of the blue. i had a clean lcence until this, gutted
the police that pulled me said i must contact dvla to get my licence switch back on. i have tried to do this online, no info at all. tried to fone them, thay dont anwser.
dont know what to do, please help, cheers col
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CS most full licences run until your are 70 SFAIK. The difference between 2004 and 2033 is enormous. If your licence has an expiry date of 2033 printed on it how can the authorities claim it is 4 years out of date and you be given a fine etc?
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how can the authorities claim it is 4 years out of date and you be given a fine etc?
No system, or individual, is perfect.
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If you have a photocard licence, it has a ten-year 'life'. My entitlement to drive lasts until 2044, but my licence expires in 2013. You must pay #17.50 to renew your licence each time so that's another nice little earner for the authorities and yet another stealth tax for us to cough up.
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You must pay #17.50 to renew your licence each time so that's another nice little earner for the authorities and yet another stealth tax for us to cough up.
That's both unfair and untrue. You can't expect the new licence and the attendant administration costs (including overheads) to be free to you. I doubt if they make a profit on £17.50.
Edited by L'escargot on 13/09/2008 at 08:38
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>>You can't expect the new licence and the attendant administration costs (including >>overheads) to be free to you.
Yes I can. I can accept that the licence needs updating because you may have changed your appearance through age or unnatural intervention, but why must we pay so much. I know that it works out at #1.75 per year, but it's yet another example of us having to pay out for something that previously we didnt have to.
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Another reason to keep your paper licence if you still have it. :)
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Trouble is Andy, many places no longer accept the paper licence as ID.
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Trouble is Andy many places no longer accept the paper licence as ID.
Really? Where have you had problems Badwolf? We used ours to hire a car in the States with no problem, over here a credit card or paper licence is all that's required to collect mail from the Post Office. I can't think of any other situation where those wouldn't be acceptable.
Edited by andyfr on 13/09/2008 at 10:27
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....... why must we pay so much.
Probably because that's how much it costs DVLA.
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Yeah - right! 10%+ of all DVLA records inaccurate (Allegedly) 0870 phone numbers to make them some money, £50 for a replacement V5 (How much?) Index linked pensions not related to stock market performance, and several sick days per year. It must be tough in Swansea!
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It is tough, AS, that's why the DVLA and other public sector organisations are constantly besieged by people like yourself applying for work.
I know I'm getting on and repeating the same anecdotes, but haven't you and I had an exchange like this before AS? Don't several members of your family work in the public sector? If I'm confusing you with someone else who appears to work for Conservative Central Office, sorry.
I can't remember now, but did we used to pay for licence renewals in the old days before we had licences practically for life? Or were the renewals free?
But I agree we shouldn't have to pay now. My bank will issue me a plastic card for nothing each time one runs out. I know the photo must add to the cost but even so.........
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My bank will issue me a plastic card for nothing each time one runs out.
Your bank also offers you "free" banking which is actually far from free, being paid for by stealth charges such as no interest (or pathetically low interest) on current accounts and extortionate fees if you dip into the red.
The general principle in govt for things like licenses is what they call "full cost recovery", i.e. the costs of the system are borne by its users rather than paid out of general taxation. Why should non-drivers subsidise the cost of licenses?
I dunno what the actual cost of replacing a photocard licence is, but it can't be much less than £17.50 by the time that verification etc is taken into account.
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OK. What's the cost of whatever it is that fuel duty and VED gets spent on?
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OK. What's the cost of whatever it is that fuel duty and VED gets spent on?
Those are taxes not service fees (hence the terms such as "excise duty"), and the revenue goes into the consolidated fund. It is then spent on things like invading muslim countries, buying aircraft carriers to keep up with the Americans, PFI projects which hand squillions to builders, the civil list for Mrs Windsor's family, and other assorted ever-so-useful things ... as well as the stuff people hate, such a health service free at the point of use, education for children, flood defences, support for disabled people etc. (See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_Fund )
Motoring is heavily taxed, but don't confuse that taxation with fees for things such as licenses.
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I have no recollection of any previous discussions and no members of my family work in the public sector. I think it ludicrous, but typical, that a Government Agency can be simultaneously expensive AND inefficient. Why should we pay 5p a minute to talk to our Government's organisations ie DVLA = Motoring Link? They are meant to be our servants not our masters! Bank cards have Chip&Pin which must cost something but are given free. Driving licences have little to no security arrangements and are well overpriced!
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Bank cards have Chip&Pin which must cost something but are given free.
No, they aren't free. Banks are not charities, so the cost is extracted from you in other ways, the banking equivalent of stealth taxes.
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I find myself in total agreement with NowWheels ! DVLA is a huge organisation - someone said its the biggest licensing agency in the world - I was privileged to a tour a few years ago and it defied belief that despite what people think or perceive its a remarkably efficient machine processing thousands of hand written applications of all sorts. Judging by the standard of cack-handed English I see every day it does a brilliant job.
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I am happy to defer to the direct experience of PU, who has visited DVLA. I still understand that many of their records are inaccurate but at least it is understandable! I pay nothing, directly, for my banking, and I can see no way they get anything from me indirectly. I have free banking, a free credit card, a debit card and 8.5% interest on my current account.
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Those are taxes not service fees (hence the terms such as "excise duty"), >>
What's in a name? If some money is taken from me by the government in any of its many forms to pay for something to do with the common good, it matters not whether you call it a tax or a fee for a service.
If the government decides to make the Revenue an agency like DVLA will you be ok with a service fee for processing your tax return? I don't think so.
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I have free banking, a free credit card, a debit card and 8.5% interest on my current account.
The bank doesn't provide these things as a free public service! It makes its money on the fees from retailers when you use your cards, and on the extortionate charges for sending out stroppy letters if something goes awry (such as someone bouncing a cheque you have lodged, or you running into the red).
One of the curious features of "free banking" in the UK is that the charges fall most heavily on those with less money, who are more likely to run into the red: hundreds of millions every year is paid in such fees (go £10 over your limit and get charged £20-£40 for a letter of rebuke). Loading the fees onto those least able to afford them would be an interesting model for the DVLA to adopt, but I'm not sure that following the banks' example of regressive charging would increase their popularity.
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Used your debit card to buy fuel abroad or pay an autoroute toll recently AS?
Abbey, and I'm sure several other banks as well, are no longer satisfied extracting 2-3% loading in the exchange rate. They now apply a flat fee of £1.25 per transaction on top. Neither charge is itemised - just wrapped up in the currency conversion. Means the equivalent of barely one euro/£1 for a few miles on the A26.
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Good afternoon BA. No - I always use a debit and a credit card, issued by a large UK Building Society which charge no %age commission on any use abroad. Additionally, I recently had a few days in Brugge and the money I spent there appeared on my credit card bill, converted to £s at a rate more favourable than that at which I had been able to buy cash euros as I left UK. Appeared on card as 1.26 Es = £1 and I had bought euros cash @ 1.22.
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and 8.5% interest on my current account.
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Where? Where?
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A&L. Paid on first £2500 in current account
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With ANPRS et al technology being as active as it is I am really surprised Mrs Pope was not caught.
With critical documents and unless using Special Delivery I trust Royal Mail about as far as I could throw a stamp and as my local Post office was shut down a few months ago, it is now easier for me to go and get to my local DVLA office:
Local DVLA licence offices: tinyurl.com/3wfzgd
My personal experience of going to a DVLA office is don't go the last or first week of any month (swamped with individual & fleet VED payments/enquiries) first thing of a morning or at lunch time as these are their busiest periods.
I have found the best time to go is mid month and a one to a half hour before it closes.
Most offices have an interview room and you must book this in advance.
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Give you an idea (it may have changed now) they have a near round the clock letter opening regime - they constantly rotate the staffing in that office as its so boring.
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My new one has come. The photo makes me look like a white-collar criminal who has got away with it and is trying not to smirk. It's the size of a credit card. I'm afraid I will lose it as I keep things like that loose in my trouser pockets usually.
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That description fits (to the degree) a man who once made me a cup of tea in an open prison.....
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Dave,
Could you advise how this panned out for you mate as my uncle who is 73 is in the same boat? he renewed his licence in 2004 as it happens it was only for 3 years till nov 2007 - he also got no reminder letter from the DVLA!
Cheers
Manny
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