A couple of months ago my son went through a speed camera at 80 on a NSL dual carriageway - because it was "marginal" he was offered a speed training course, at his expense of course, which he accepted rather than have points on his now clean licence.
Literally, on his way home from the course he was flashed at 51 in a 40 limit, the NIP arrived this morning.
What can I say or do, that'll make any difference?
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Something along the lines of (slightly raised eyebrow): 'Going to cost you a bit if you carry on at that rate.'
These things just have to sink in by themselves.
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It'll cost you your license if you'll keep on going at this rate and in the near future you'll might be taking learner's lessons all over again :)
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I expect he'll work it out for himself in due course. Which of us can honestly say we've not been a bit impetuous in our youth ?
I seem to remember that on a BMW I had ( there I've said it ..... but in my defence it was the Eighties and I also favoured stripey shirts at the time ! ) there was a sort of buzzer device fitted which could be set to remind you that you had strayed over a certain speed. Would be a very useful standard fit on any car IMHO.
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its up to the lad
hes old enough to drive
hes old enough to see his own errors
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make him take a bus - 'to get used to it, since when his licence goes....'
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How ridiculous to get flashed by a camera, they're not exactly hard to spot. I can proudly say that I only get caught by real live policemen! (and i'd like to add they have always been outstanding & down to earth)
Edited by perleman on 30/11/2007 at 15:27
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hes old enough to see his own errors
Really? It doesn't look like his made any attempt to fix his errors. People (especially motorists) generally don't see their errors, eg. tailgaiters often don't know there is anything wrong with what they're doing, it's all the heavy brakers that are at fault. Knowing that there is something wrong with your driving without somebody telling you is usually very difficult without somebody else telling you.
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Note for Shoespy - Re your comment on buzzers - In Singapore, at least not long ago, when I was there, all commercial vehicles [ taxis, tradesmen, white vans or whatever their equivalents were there ] all had external roof-mounted yellow lights set up to flash when the speed limit was exceeded. A noise was also made inside to remind the driver to reduce speed. Plods didn't have to chase and time the speedster. All they had to do was haul him / her over as the flashing light was sufficient evidence.
My Navman has an overspeed warning system, adjustable for various roads. I found it very useful in Europe with the different autobahn / autoroute / autostrada limits.
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Re Singapore- That does sound a bit Orwellian. I wouldn't mind the buzzer bit but a "nick me " light ? ....gulp !
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As Shoespy says
Indeed, last time I was in Singapore, nearly every vehicle was rushing along with its yellow light on top blinking. They have worked out if they all do it there is safety in numbers.
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Edited by Pugugly {P} on 01/12/2007 at 10:25
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>>I seem to remember that on a BMW I had..>>
I know it was a feature of BMWs in the early 1990s as I used to try it out on occasions - how accurate it was is probably another matter...:-)
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What can I say or do that'll make any difference?
It depends on when he passed his test. This offence will give him 3 points, because he's already had his "speed training course". If he reachs six or more penalty points within two years of passing his Driving Test he'll have his licence revoked, and have to re-take his test. Also, if he passes the the retest, the points will actually stay on his licence.
So, if this applies to him, then one more speeding offence, a bald tyre, jumping a red light, etc.; just one more lot of 3 points will take him off the road.
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>>What can I say or do, that'll make any difference?<<
Been there, got the T-shirt etc.
Don't lend him your car - that was my mistake !
Make sure he drives only his car and knows its his responsibility alone.
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you cant say anything to youth. Junior RF (17 & license for 4 months) cant be told. I am expecting a NIP to drop through the post. They have to learn through consequences. Hopefull the consequences are not the funeral type.
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my new piccasso has a speed limit device as well as cruise control
most of my local roads are mph so i set it at 42mph so i dont need to look at the speedo all the time
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most of my local roads are mph ...
as opposed to what? kph, knots?
Hawkeye
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Stranger in a strange land
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`What can I say or do, that'll make any difference?`
Best so say nothing critical. Bad enough its happened for him and he knows the score as well as you do regarding speeding, points and the consequences.
Make him a cup of coffee, put your hand on his shoulder and leave it at that.
Well, thats what I got as a youth over a damaged parental car and I respected the lack of critisism even then. ( I think they knew the guilt would get me on its own ;)
Regards
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From the sound of it he may still get a letter saying he failed the course - you CAN fail it. Knowing many of the youths of today did he sit at the back looking sullen and say nothing? The people issuing the second ticket will know he has just been on the course and has not demonstrated the suitable attitude change they are looking for ! ! !
I got a letter about a month after I did mine confirming that Warwickshire were taking no further action in relation to my offense.
If he is still in the probation period for a new license holder he should be worried!
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Thanks for your input - for the first time, in 28 years, I'm still lost for words. He's long out of the new driver probationary period, in fact he'd recently got a clean licence after a speeding ticket 4 years ago.
I'll just let him get on with it!
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laugh or cry?...... if he ends up getting banned then laugh, but if he kills a car full of people due to his stupidity then cry !!!
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I have posted this suggestion before and do so again only partly in jest: free insurance for under 21 drivers providing they have a six inch spike fitted to the steering wheel.
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`I'll just let him get on with it!`
Yes, its his problem, not yours
Edited by oilrag on 30/11/2007 at 19:42
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At least they know the right occasions to say cool, wicked awesome, d'uh, innit etc, and when to have a rising inflection at the end of a sentence!
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My dad used to despair at my driving when I was younger, on one memorable occasion getting out of the car and taking the bus home ( even though I was on my best behaviour ).
He is now 72 and has 6 points on his licence , while I have a clean sheet. Oh, the irony!
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There is not a lot you can do, if he doesn't want to watch his speed then he will suffer the consequences for it eventually.
As for getting caught on the way home from the speed awareness course, going on the course would appear to have been a complete waste of time (apart from getting away with the 3 points) as it obviously had no effect on him. Either he wasn't interested or the course was very poor in getting its message across.
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Today's "youth" - laugh or cry?
Look at the statistics and you'll probably cry!
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Suggest you have him read this thread about someone who hit a motorcyclist because he was driving too fast:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=141&t=...0
Sobering, although it gets a bit strange about 6 pages in.
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 01/12/2007 at 20:10
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My guess is that DD made that none clickable to protect the easily offended from some of the discussion on page 1. However, having read the whole of that thread (including the description of the collision on page 2, the subsequent descriptions of prison life and the victim's statement about 16 pages in..) last night, I'd recommend everyone else does the same. Makes you think.
I can only say what I've said here many times before. Being involved in three collisions in the space of 18 months when I was in my very early twenties, driving Polo and thinking I was invincible, made me a far better driver than any amount of extra lessons or chats with dad would have done. None of them were caused by me, I hasten to add, but from each of them I've taken something that has made me think in the future.
Oh, and seeing my dashboard light up like a Christmas tree on the way home from work on Friday, when my mind was somewhere else, and I hit standing water in the dark, was a very sobering experience and not one I'd like to repeat in a hurry. I for one am pleased the Golf has ESP, but maybe that's for the other thread.
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My guess is that DD made that none clickable
PG, all pistonhead links have been made non clickable for as far back as I can remember.
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Very interesting read. The OP, a fast driver, had overcooked it on a bend and been hit by a blameless motorcyclist coming the other way having got sideways across the centre line of the road. The motorcyclist, an offshore oil worker, had been severely disabled by his injuries.
The OP accepted that this was dangerous driving, but late in the thread, with admirable clarity, explains that the evidence of drivers he had overtaken before the crash was flawed and biased, as they had been offended by overtakes he knew to be safe. This seems to me to be entirely reasonable. And the OP's account of the whole experience is enlightening and as they say 'sobering'. A certain amount of rubbish from other posters of course (as one would expect :o]).
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sometimes there is nothing we can say or do. Some lessons have to be learn't the hard way. Linda.
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Without wishing to labour a point, I would draw your collective attention to my comments of a few weeks ago regarding disrespect and disregard for speed limits. This whole issue seems to be something along the lines of the ?sins of the fathers etc. etc.?. In short, this is just another aspect of the increasingly egocentric society we have created by, amongst other things, the constant ridiculing of speed limits and their enforcement.
BB
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Tell him that if he doesn't drive sensibly then all his problems may be solved by an early demise in an RTA.
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as my dad always told me 'if you get sick and end up in hospital i'll visit you everyday....if you end up in prison i might come to pick you up when they let you out or maybe i wont' of course me being a total smarta....mouth i couldnt resist replying 'what if i get sick in prison and end up in the prison hospital' the scowl said it all
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At least it doesnt sound particularly dangerous - the only real harm that will come from this sort of action is to himself when he loses his license.
Becuase despite what the lentil eating diesel drivers think, 80 on a dual carriageway is not crime of the century.
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"lentil eating diesel drivers"
What on earth has diesel got to do with it?
Some people! < roll eyes! >
Edited by b308 on 13/05/2008 at 10:54
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Becuase despite what the lentil eating diesel drivers think 80 on a dual carriageway is not crime of the century.
What have lentils or diesel got to do with it? I've not seen anyone actually say its the crime of the century, but its 10mph over the limit (his speedo probably showing 85) and he got nicked for it.
I think the point of the OP is that the lad is obviously a bit of a 'slow learner' when it comes to breaking limits and the consequences thereof!
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