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Couldn't agree more. I brought a 75 a year ago despite dire warnings from contributors to this forum and havn't regretted it for one moment.
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I guess this thread just illustrates the point that you either love MG Rovers or hate them. I can't understand why they generate such venom from some but such passionate support from others. No-one seems to be indifferent!
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Ah well, I have to wade in and say that I am. There's a lovely grey ZT in the unit next to where I work, I can't help give it a glance every time I slink into my E60.
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Funnily enough the E60 reminds me somewhat of some of Rover's past efforts. Deep down it is a deeply talented car of rare ability but it smacks of poor execution and rushed unfinished development combined with some iffy engineering compromises.
It should be a great car and almost certainly has the basics there to be one but for a number of seemingly small but significant reasons misses the target by a mile.
I also find the straight six diesels totally overrated. I don't find them exceptionally refined, they have a poor power band (535d excepted) and in the real world are not significantly more economical than the petrols. In fact the E60 is probably about the only family saloon on the market where I'd choose the petrol over the diesel.
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>>>>>>>>As for Stuartl.....wahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Sorry, I only understand English so I dont quite understand what you are trying to say........
All I will say is
a) when (not if) your car breaks down and you cant get parts I'll see you at the bus stop while I drive past. Who will look a 'plonker' then?
b) Rovers and the ZT's (I will refrain from using the term 'MG' as when talking about these cars it casts a hideously cheap slur on a once grande marque) are less desirable than cheap Far Eastern imports such as Ssang-Yong and Kia but lack the build quality and reliability of the latter mentioned so get your self an ebay account and a socket set and get ready to strip 'em for spares as that's the best resale value you will get for them!
c) My views are based on having driven both of these cars having being given them as loan cars. In the case of the 75 I gave it back and hired a car at a cost of £42.50 per day AT MY OWN EXPENSE as it was so awful. £127.50 well worth spending on a 3 series BMW!
These cars are cheap because nobody wants them except bargain hunters who maybe dont know what a car SHOULD drive like or just dont care.
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I'm not a big fan of the 3-Series in any guise, but as long as it was a reasonably recent model with a low mileage I suppose it wasn't a bad buy for £127.50.
Did they throw the tax in?
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no they didn't pd but I took comfort in the sense that if I could get a 55 plate beemer for that I should be able to buy a warehouse load of R75s for the same money and still have change for a bus home (which is always handy when you own one of those : o ) )
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Stuart,
OK we get the point. You think that all Rover products are rubbish there are others who don't and have an equal weight of evidence to support their view. No need to labour it. Can we move on now without resorting to the Ya Boo postings that are damaging the reputation of this site - We have evidence that this is happening.
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 06/11/2007 at 22:47
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PU I was merely responding to those who chose to attack me for daring to air my views on this dufunct make of car. As it happens I had decided not to contribute further to this thread as it no longer had any useful purpose.
Maybe you should look at the other postings also and point out the same to them!
By the way, what is a Ya Boo posting as I have no idea?
Maybe I am getting old but that is the second thing on HJ that I have read tonight that I really cannot understand.
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I was once quite a big BMW fan, but I find the latest models whilst fundamentally excellent underneath smack of a company now run by marketing people and accountants rather than engineers and car nuts. Somehow, they've removed anything special about them at all.
On paper they look excellent, but somehow never work as well as they should on the road. BMW's financial reports today indicate that their obession is market share and operating margins. A fair enough and sensible enough goal for any company but unfortunately it now shows in the cars and I really think they are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
As for the latest chavtastic 3-Series, there are more coming through the auctions than Vectras mostly fetching the kind of residuals only ex-rental Mondeo's used to aspire to. They're discounting all over the place and are the true new Mondeo, not the one Ford is trying to flog.
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I quite like BMWs.
My kids and their spouses run 3 series, 5 series, X5s and an M6. Its an image thing I guess. I've driven them all. I've seen the Main Dealer bills too.
When they go wrong (and they do), its not spoken about. Their Oil Service costs more than a K Series head gasket repair. Its a badge thing apparently.
They wouldn't be seen dead in a Rover though. Wonder why? Can't be the depreciation, as theirs lose thousands a year. Can't be the comfort or the traction on snow.
I can understand the image thing cos its been hyped up so much by Top Gear et al, but what I don't get is all this vitriol. If you don't like 'em fine, but why do you have to keep bad mouthing them at every opportunity? Strange.
Yes, I like BMWs......
But I LOVE Rovers
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Did they throw the tax in? i once threw a radio in,but,the customer wasnt best pleased because i threw it on the passenger floor
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Did you open the window first?
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i opened the door,they thought i was joking
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I have found this thread rather unhelpful. At this stage, I am genuinely undecided about whether to go for a ZT, and am looking for advice. But some of the posts above are just plain silly - eg all Rovers are rubbish, why don't you buy an Allegro instead, people who buy these cars just don't care...
I accept there may be a risk in buying a ZT, but, by taking that risk, I would be getting a cheap car. That doesn't mean I don't care, nor does it make the decision I make any less rational.
In helping me take my decision, I was looking for informed comments, not the sort of responses you get down the pub. Vitriolic reactions are not helpful, as they don't help me to reach an informed decision. It's a pity, because I really was looking for your opinions. Needless to say, I won't be raising the subject of buying a ZT on this forum again!
Regards
Primera Man
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The inherent faults on the V6 versions are the VIS valves - shown up by either a rattling sound from the manifold at idle and/or a woeful lack of torque at low revs and failure of the clutch slave cylinder (usually means complete slave/master replacement which is about £600 all in). Other than that they have few regular faults apart from minor things like corroded number plate bulb connectors, bad airbag sensor connector under the seat (disconnect and reconnect) and an odd fault with the fuel filter which stops the car starting and is a £5 mod to fix for good.
Look for a 190+ with some nice options such as Alcantara, Xenons and possibly parking sensors as rear visibility is poor. Other than that the usual used car buying rules apply.
The diesels still fetch some quite high prices so the bargain is the V6 if you can stomach the fuel bills. The 160 1.8 turbo is actually one one of the nicest to drive but beware the K-series headgasket problems.
ZT's have their problems but in terms of reliability I'd rate them above most similar fare. They're also great cars to drive with a seriously sporting setup (they are far more hardcore than anything BMW has done in decades on their mainstream cars) but make sure you can live with the ride.
If if you find a good one at a good price I'd say have a punt. The worst you can do is hate it and have to resell.
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Thank you, pd, very useful. I agree the V6 would be the way to go. Not keen on <30mpg, but a great sound track makes up for it. Ideally, I would go for the better mpg of the 1.8T, but I know they are much more likely to have HGF, so they are ruled out. AFAIK, HGF is not an issue on the 2.5 V6.
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Primera,
These threads go a rather predictable and slightly depressing route.
The majority of posters say that these cars were poorly designed badly built and the parts situation is iffy.
R80 and a few others then weight in and say they are brilliant cars built well and there is no problem with the parts and that WE are I side with the majority on this issue are the reason for the death of the UK car industry because WE denigrated beautifully built pieces of engineering and because of US no one bought them.
A recall reading that a writer for Car Magazine writer said something like the majority say on here and received death threats!
As for the engineering and build quality I will leave that to others. I will restrict myself to the parts situation.
X Part produce the parts as when it is economic for team to do so and when it is not they stop. The last time this came up another poster told of how his two month old 75 was in an accident and the bumper was damaged. It remained off the road for six months until another new bumper could be sourced. X part where out and waited until they had sufficient orders until they did a production run and the insurer would not allow a second hand part to be sourced. Says it all.
If this is the car of your dreams then by all means pursue your dreams. If you are rich then there is no question. If you are not and need to see value from a vehicle then ONLY buy if it is cheap enough that you can throw it away as you may need to.
I would say no more than 2K for a pristine ZT, I understand they sell for more at present but I know not why.
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dear mr primera man
if you read all the posts again i feel you get a very fair view,i will remind you that the question posed was why are there 07 rovers on the road,the answer as has been said is because they have been stood somewhere man,not used stood,i dont care if it said rolls royce on the front, if a car has been stood for three years at least then there is all possibility that things wont work from electrical terminals to oil seals,this isnt some fairy tail ideas pulled from my big hat its fact man fact,how many times have you recommisioned a vehicle to go down the road of all faults coming up as the days progress
buy a used rover by all means but to not like an opinion of other peoples views is in my opinion head in sand
can i recommend you find a forum that eats and sleeps these cars if you want to only hear what you want to hear,im sure if you did a google the forum you need would pop its head up ,just like a club for the ford sidevalve owners club and their hatred for the vauxhall ha (please ford owners club come dont on and say you love ha"s it WAS a joke)
Edited by bell boy on 07/11/2007 at 20:42
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dear mr primera man if you read all the posts again i feel you get a very fair view..........'
To save the bother of looking here's a quick review of some of the more 'constructive' contributions and advices from this poster:
'nuff said? tinyurl.com/ysdt6s keep watching the boat ;-o '
'i charge £15 a day for salvage awaiting collection but to be fair it does cause problems but hey..anyway'
'ive had today people in sandals picking their noses from all parts of the country ringing me for a car ,were they failed 75 buyers? probably as the car sold on the nose last thursday,rover? no way ,i like to sleep easy in my bed'.
Judge the above as you will but I wonder what a newcomer to this site would make of this and whether they'd ever come back again?
Regards
R40
Edited by R40 on 07/11/2007 at 20:58
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you dont remember me advising that sel imperial have rover 75 front bumpers in stock then? and as i speak are on offer at £90 each if someone buys 3
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you dont remember me advising that sel imperial have rover 75 front bumpers in stock then? and as i speak are on offer at £90 each if someone buys 3
Fair comment bell boy - I do remember and you very kindly did :) I passed the info on to owners at the time, and will do so again now.
Thanks and regards
R40
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ZT's sell for reasonable but still cheap prices because there is not a lot else similar at the price. They are a niche car but then there aren't many about hence the supply/demand situation.
There certainly are some body panel supply problems. To be honest, if you need one and can't find one then your insurance company will just write it off so walk away.
They're no worse on design or build than similar volume manufactured cars and miles better than something like a Laguna (and look how many of those are around!).
For about £4k for an 03-04 model with about 50k and good history they are not bad buys. I took a "disposable" one around the Nurburgring last year and it did lap after lap without breaking into sweat which is more than I can say for the BMW I took the year before which fried just about everything within an hour.
I wouldn't spend serious money on one or recommend anyone else does, but for £4k or so they are a rediculous amount of fun motoring.
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Bell boy
I don't disagree with what you say about buying an 07 Rover. In fact, I made the point earlier in this thread that there's no way I would buy a 'new' Rover, partly because I know it would not be new (probably in a worse condition than a used one) and partly because I would not be prepared to pay the asking price. Far too much of a risk!
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Interesting thread. Mainly as proof positive of the slide downwards this place has gone. I used to come over here as it had some good pointers from some knowledegable folk. Sad to see these have been replaced by clueless teenagers who seriously have not a clue but never mind, such is the Internet.
To reply to the strange assertion that Bell boy has of this thread being balanced, perhaps another read-through and seeing some of the utter rubbish from the likes of stuart may bring about a re-think. I also take issue with the idea that this place is unbiased if compared to a dedicated owners club; The members may well be enthusiastic about their cars but they're not blind either. The 75 and ZT has it's own club (www.the75andztclub.co.uk), and you will find a lot of people post on there for advice on buying. Every time you will see replies which spell out what problems they should watch out for, hints and tips and general advice. Does that sound blinkered to you bell boy or does it in fact sound rather more like helpful and friendly advice?
Neither of which features particularly strongly in here.
This isn't just restricted to anything from Longbridge either. Some of the comments on here concerning other makes range from the illogical to the plain cretinous. That's a shame as HJ was a good place.
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lightnshade you are the 3rd to register as a new member of honest john on this thread therefore its obviously causing interest, so first off hello and welcome.
Maybe you would like to stick around a while and give your views on other subjects?
this is a discussion forum where people put forward their thoughts,if we all thought the same there would be nothing to discuss.
discuss
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Thanks bell boy, I used to wander round a while back but I'll be damned if I can remember what I my handle was. And yes, this thread has generated interest but as I said previously it's not for good reasons.
My last post did make a point on your comment that this place is somehow less biased and more helpful than a dedicated club. To wit your quote:
"can i recommend you find a forum that eats and sleeps these cars if you want to only hear what you want to hear"
As I replied, this is certainly an arguable issue. If you wanted a RS Focus for example then you may well get a big welcome from the RS forums. You would also get the best level of advice of the problems to look out for as well as tips on saving money through DIY tasks, parts discounts and insurance . Now, let's compare that to what you may well get here. Based on this thread you can expect someone asking if you wear white socks, another describing them as Dagenham dustbins and a third crawling from under a rock and boasting about their Astra. And then someone wading in and saying they are the best cars ever. So you see,in this case you would only read what some people really want you to believe, which let's face it is most probably a pile of lies.
Far from you being so disparing about such organisations I would strongly advise getting in touch with an owners club as that's the best place to find out the real story behind whether a motor is worth having or not - as they tend to have links with suppliers and the manufacturers then they will have way more accurate info than some know-all in a pub or a keyboard jockey on a place like this. WRT this thread, whether you actually like the 75 or ZT I frankly couldn't give a vicar's; what could be good impartial advice on here gets mired under silly and childish drivel from people who wouldn't even mutter to your face what they typed on a message board, and it's just not helpful.
Indeed, discuss.
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Lightnshade - your are articulate and have a rational, balanced attitude. Go away at once! :-)
Nick
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I would, but I've lost the stone that I was hiding under!
Ho hum.....
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Thanks bell boy I used to wander round a while back but I'll be damned if I can remember what I my handle was.
My crystal ball suggests it was 'col' but it has been known to be wrong.
DD.
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Erm, doesn't ring any bells with me so I'll have to say your crystal ball is on the blink this time Dave. Thanks for trying though, appreciated.
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>>>>>>>>>>To reply to the strange assertion that Bell boy has of this thread being balanced, perhaps another read-through and seeing some of the utter rubbish from the likes of stuart may bring about a re-think.
lightnshade, welcome to HJ although why you have bothered to register puzzles me a little bit as in your words................
"I used to come over here as it had some good pointers from some knowledegable folk. Sad to see these have been replaced by clueless teenagers who seriously have not a clue but never mind, such is the Internet."
and.......
"Some of the comments on here concerning other makes range from the illogical to the plain cretinous. That's a shame as HJ was a good place."
Would you car to tell me which of my comments are "utter rubbish" and I shall attempt to justify them to you.
By the way, I am considerably past the realms of a teenager and whether I am clueless is a matter of opinion but everyone is entitled to one of their own.
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Well a good, and indeed add to that morning, to you stuart. You should in some ways pat yerself on the back for me getting a new username on here so don't be puzzled, it's all down to you! Maybe I should be similarly puzzled at you posting when you said you wouldn't but I'm not. Waste of precious brain cells you see and I don't have too many left from the turpentine years. Never mind.
As for you attempting to justify your comments I'd prefer it if you didn't as you may be some time and besides, I don't actually think you are answerable to anyone when you're posting on a forum. Certainly not me. But perhaps it would be better to take a look at your first post and think about whether it was in the slightest bit relevant to the thread, or were you just having a keyboard jockey moment? Maybe have a look at the other posts as well and your rather sarcastic and nasty treatment of someone else on here who had the temerity to say they were thinking of having a 75 or ZT thing.
Now, perhaps I'm just an old softy/hippy/sad socialist sort but your posts didn't exactly strike me as welcoming or helpful, just a load of rubbish with no foundation. But obviously if you can see where you helped anyone in this thread with some insider knowledge or good advice then please whip it out for us all to stare in awe and wonder.
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