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1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Tykelass
Hi everyone, this is my first post so please be gentle with me :-) I've just been to look at my local Nissan dealer today as I'm looking to get a new Nissan Note 1.6SE automatic. I'm learning to drive but hopefully will be taking my test soon and want to get a car now so I can practice in it.

The dealer has an ex-demonstrator model available with the spec I want, metallic paint (which I wasn't too bothered about). It's a 56 plate and has 3,666 miles on the clock. They are asking £10,800 for it - is this a good price?

For info, the dealer's OTR price for a brand new one is £12,940 and I've been told I won't get much discount on this as I want an automatic. He said the only thing I'm likely to get on a new one is free metallic paint.

Should I go for the ex-demo car or pay the extra for a brand new one, or should I be looking elsewhere? Thanks.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Jonnys06
I'm sure i'm not going to be the only one thinking this but would a cheaper car be more suitable as you're still learning to drive? Maybe build up some NCB and then look for a more desirable car?

Jon
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Xileno {P}
Consider the Modus - basically the same car. Been out longer and hasn't sold very well - good value.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Tykelass
Thanks for the quick replies! Sorry, I should have said this but we have already considered a cheaper used car, but it will be our only family car and therefore our main priorities are safety and reliability and thought we would be better getting a new car. My husband can't drive for medical reasons so I will be the only driver. We are using our life savings to pay for it so we want to make sure we get the right car first time. We need one that has ISOFIX mountings for child car seats and will fit a pushchair in the boot. Looked at the Modus but think it's probably too small for our needs, we wouldn't get the pushchair in the boot.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Jonnys06
I'm afraid I don't know much about the pricing of Nissan's but if you're happy that it satisfies all your requirements then go for it. Maybe someone on here later will know a bit more than I do. Have you looked on the trader to see what you can get for your money? A used Note will still have warranty etc. so maybe shop around? Hope I have helped a bit!

Jon
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - local yokel
Personally I think using your life savings in the circumstances you suggest is unwise. My wife bought a four years old ex-Motability Ford Focus auto for £5,000, and it's been superb in every way. Isofix mounts are not that new, as far as I know.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - daveyjp
Until you pass your test I wouldn't consider buying a car to practice in. Can you test drive a car without a full licence? Don't consider buying a car you have never driven - it could be a costly mistake.

If you are having lessons use some of your savings to do an additional lesson a week so you get your licence quicker then go car hunting.

BTW don't get too hung up on ISOFIX.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - midlifecrisis
A 54 plate 1.4 Modus (16000m off the top of my head) sold for £4250 at auction this morning. My fingers were twitching big time!!
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - mlj
Tykelass: Your second post provoked the question whether your family will quickly outgrow the Nissan. It doesn't have a big boot and your mention of car seats and pushchairs made me wonder whether you have thought how long you might keep this car. Will all the available space be taken up by baby/child equipment and paraphernalia?
Might be worth having a look around a car supermarket if you have one local just to see what else is on offer.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Dalglish
...We are using our life savings to pay for it ..


i.m.o. please, please, in your circumstances (medical, kids, learner driver, etc.), do not spend your life savings on a brand new car.

>>.. so we want to make sure we get the right car first time. ..
i suggest that you start a new thread asking for help in choosing a car. list your priorities, eg.:
1. safety, 2. reliability, 3. size, 4. kids+isofix+pram, 5. fuel, 6. annual mileage, 7. typical use, 8.etc.etc.

i would suggest you set a budget half of current plan (£6500), and set aside £6500 to spend over four or five years of its ownership on running costs (fuel, maintenance, tax, aa/rac, mot, insurance, etc.).

1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - grahamw
Hi, I too considered a Note but was put off by the Euroncap crash test results.
It only scored 4 stars in the adult occupancy test and 3 for the child test.
One of the Isofix anchorages actually broke!
I settled on a new shape Focus which scores 5 & 4 stars respectively.
If the space saver spare tyre option is choosen in hatchback form, the boot is quite wide and deep.
The estate has plenty of space for all young childs requirements.
Isofix is a non cost factory option.
I looked at the Autotrader website and there was is 2006 56 reg 1.6SE Note, auto 4000 miles from a main dealer for £10,295.
The deal your supplier has come up with seems a little expensive.

Good luck with the driving.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Lud
I would concur with advice from Dalglish and others not to spend 10k on a brand new car. It simply isn't necessary. Buying secondhand takes patience (and a measure of luck) but is certainly much more sensible in your case.

It also sounds as if the car you are considering is too small. People are obsessive about the perceived dimensions of cars ('Ooh that's too big for me, I'm used to smaller ones etc.'). Actually they're all the same size (i.e. they all fit between the lane markings and in parking slots). Some small cars are much more awkward to drive than some big ones.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Westpig
Some small cars are much more awkward to drive than some big ones.


very true Lud.........got an awful earful a number of years ago, from my then SWMBO, when i came back from an auction with a Volvo 240.........(best deal there after our car had been stolen)

she later admitted it was the easiest car to drive she'd ever driven.........you could see all 4 corners, very light power steering, power brakes, easy clutch, easy to use gearbox and couldn't care less bumpers.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - 1066
my nissan note1.6se auto was bought last yr for 12k.
its a good family car with a decent sized boot and the sliding rear seat is very useful when you dont need much legroom in the rear if carrying children.

spending all of your savings is a very risky proposition. as others have said 6k on a focus auto estate or similar would be a much better idea and save 6k for emergencys and well deserved nights out.
good luck
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - deepwith
Forgive me if this is impertinent, but is your husband in receipt of higher rate disability mobility allowance? If so, it might be better to consider a motability car for now. It will be fully insured, serviced and so on, which will leave your life savings intact for three years, at least. You will also have road tax exemption on your car if it is used for his benefit. They have some grants available to pay for driving lessons, if you need them.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - tyro
Tykelass

People have different philosophies about car buying. I have always bought new cars rather than 2nd hand, and I can understand people who are really uneasy about buying 2nd hand cars.

If you have plenty of money, or if you expect to have plenty of money in the near future, or if you don't mind being very strapped for cash, then go ahead and buy a new car, and be careful with it. But if not, listen carefully to what the people on this thread are saying and buy a cheaper 2nd hand car.

I was lucky that after learning to drive, I didn't buy my own car for years because I got a company car. My employers were not so lucky, because I was forever having knocks. After a few years my record has improved a bit, I'm glad to say! Get a few years of practice in before you sink your savings in a nice new vehicle that will be your pride and joy, because the liklihood is that there will be some knocks in the early years.

Most 2nd hand cars will be reliable enough. If you are really concerned about reliability, get a 2nd hand Honda or Toyota and you will probably do about as well as you would in a new Nissan Note.

As for safety, most 2nd hand cars a few years old are pretty much as safe as new ones. If you are REALLY concerned about safety, then do an advanced driving qualification with the IAM as soon as you pass your test.

1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Bill Payer
People have different philosophies about car buying. I have always bought new cars rather than
2nd hand and I can understand people who are really uneasy about buying 2nd hand
cars.

I've bought new for my wife & kids for many years - I know it's not the most cost effective way, but there are signifcant time and risk issues with buying second-hand, and, without being ridiculous about it, I want to ensure that their cars have the latest safety features etc. If I buy new, then for the first 3 yrs all the car needs is routine servicing, you no worries about things like diesels that might have been filled with petrol etc.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Micky
You intend to spend your life savings on a family car? No, that would be madness. By all means spend your life savings on something from Group B perhaps, but not a family car.

Mondeo estate. Or two Mondeo estates.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - tintin01
Please, please don't spend your life savings on a new car. We have bought a brand new car only once - after 3 years and 30k miles it was worth £4k, half what we paid. We had to change it because we had two children by then and it wasn't big enough. Buy a 2 or 3 year old car - let someone else pay for the depreciation. If you buy from a main dealer you can often extend the warranty for a few hundred pounds a year if this would put your mind at rest. Most cars are capable of high milages these days, if properly maintained, so a car with 20 -50k on the clock still has a long life left. Buy second hand - the insurance will be cheaper and you'll have money left for repairs.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Armitage Shanks {p}
I do not think that the insurance will be cheaper on a 2nd hand car vis a vis a new one. I know they ask you the value of the car but the premium is based almost entirely on the Group that the insurers rate it at - or have I got this wrong? Tykelass - have you budgeted for insurance on any car you buy? Once you have passed your test (Good luck BTW!) you can take further lessons to get a Pass Plus certificate which is recognised by the insurers and is worth a discount of some sort.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - perleman
If you're keen on a Nissan, have you thought about a Skyline? It will be more fun to drive.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Micky
"> If you're keen on a Nissan, have you thought about a Skyline?<"

I concur.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - GregSwain
We are using our life savings to pay for it

Cars aren't good investments - whatever you buy will lose value rapidly. If you still want a Nissan, get an Almera a few years old - it'll be just as reliable and a lot cheaper. Please don't waste your life savings on a car - you'll regret it in 3 years time when the part/ex value of your Note will be less than half what you paid for it!
We need one that has ISOFIX mountings for child car seats and will fit a pushchair in the boot.

Why ISOFIX? Most car-seats strap into the seatbelt. In fact, looking in a popular catalogue, ISOFIX seats are ludicrously expensive, and in my opinion, completely unnecessary.

Some advice echoing what other posters have said.... You're a learner, so insurance cost is a big issue. Don't buy a car until you've passed your test, and don't buy a brand-new car until you've got a bit of experience & confidence on the road. Does it need to be auto?
our main priorities are safety and reliability

Buy any Japanese automatic with full service history and reliability shouldn't be a problem. As for safety, take the NCAP results with a pinch of salt. Drive carefully and you shouldn't need any of those airbags! ;-)
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Tykelass
Wow, I didn't expect so many replies, many thanks for all your opinions. I'm even more unsure what to do now, but I've decided not to go for the ex demo model that the dealer offered me. I think I was just getting too excited about owning my first car and needed to calm down a bit!

The only problem with going for a used car is I just can't go round to auctions, car supermarkets, private owners etc to look at them . I'm completely reliant on public transport at the moment and when I've looked on Autotrader and similar sites, any suitable cars are all just too far away for me to get to. I also know absolutely nothing about buying a used car and wouldn't know if I was being sold a lemon or not. So I was going for a new car as I can easily get one locally or even from an internet broker and have it delivered to my house, as well as the reliability issues, safety, 3 year warranty etc.

As for finance, we thought it would be better to use our savings rather than get a loan (this is the advice we've had from other financial websites), but maybe we should rethink that one.

By the way, daveyjp - just wondered why you said I shouldn't get hung up about ISOFIX mounts for car seats? I thought they were necessary as I read in Which that these are the best way to ensure a child seat is fitted properly and they campaigned to get them put in all new cars.

Deepwith - thanks for the comments about Motability. My husband does get a mobility element to his DLA but not at the higher rate, so we're not eligible I'm afraid.

A couple of people mentioned about the Ford Focus auto, this sounds quite good but I'm not sure what type of auto gearbox it has - could somebody enlighten me?! I'm learning in a Nissan Micra and would like something with a similar gearbox.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Jonnys06
If you can get a car from a dealer easily, buy used from a dealer. You will pay a bit more than buying privately but they'll probably offer finance and warranty. Finance maybe being better (as people have said) as you keep your savings for repairs and things you wish to do with it.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - local yokel
>A couple of people mentioned about the Ford Focus auto, this sounds quite good but I'm not sure what type of auto gearbox it has - could somebody enlighten me?! I'm learning in a Nissan Micra and would like something with a similar gearbox.

All these autoboxes will be the same for the driver - one lever, and the gears are all in the same place. You won't notice it at all when you move from car to car.

Given your constraints, you might do this: Ring the Ford dealer, tell them you have £5,000 to spend, have they got a Focus auto? Yes they say, right, can the salesman bring it round to 33, Acacia Avenue so I can test drive it? (My only thought here is that they might not want L drivers having a test drive?) If you don't ask, you won't get - and if they want to sell a car they have to do the work.

Having bought a car, then get yourself RAC or similar membership (£100/yr) to cover you for breakdowns. That and getting the car serviced on time will be more than enough, since I doubt you'll be driving 30,000 miles a year.

My wife loves her Focus, and it's been to date the best car we've bought in 20 years. She wanted a Golf until she tried it, and now she won't let me drive it....
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - ForumNeedsModerating
Hi Tykelass

Could I be a little forward, and say sloooow down!

You sound like a pleasant & charming person, you've got a tidy sum to spend on a nice car - I understand the excitement: freedom, independence, nice days out with partner - summer coming up - picnics, days out to the seaside...

May I suggest a buying excercise? Try out the excellent facility on this site: 'Motor Match' - get a shortlist (or longlist!) according to your needs, then check out the various specs / dimensions / running costs / residual values of them. Then with your, perhaps, shortened list try to find all roadtests (HJ is probably the best place to find most) , then user reviews - most important.

I find it useful to ring dealers - you have then the tremendous advantage of not being in the high pressure dealer showroom - you can be tougher & more dispassionate & 'walk-away' more easily, so to speak - do this many times - it only costs a phonecall - you get good practice without the danger of buying something you might find later, doesn't really suit your needs.
Let the dealer 'run' to you, they need to sell, you don't need to buy - you've got no part-exchange - you're in the driving seat - in all senses of the word.

Many posters here have great experience & common sense, and have already made some excellent suggestions - will it matter if you let the anticiaption & excitement simmer for a couple of weeks before spending all the hard-earned?

I hope this doesn't come across to know-it-all, because I certainly don't - but I do know that the buzz of potential ownership & the anticipatory blood-rush you get can cost you dear if you rush into things - you can only spend it once!

All the best in your future purchase
woodbines
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - TurboD
Never spend more than three month net salry on a car, rule number one, two and three.
All cars( pretty well) turn into nothingness, so the less you spend the less turns to nothing, leaving yu more to spend on using it, going to France etc, having holidays.
So , get the hhighest depreciated car about a year old, simple. Lot of warranty left, easy to maintain and a decent size. Note far to small to be comfortable or useful to take stuff to tip, fetch DIY etc etc.

so Vauxhall Vectra estate
Mondeo Estate
year old max
around £10K
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Aretas
Should you buy new or used?
I think you also need to add your driving experience to the equation.
The first year or so after passing your test are big learning experiences and have a higher chance of having an accident than later. Children distracting you can be a big problem.
This accident may only be tiny - hitting a gatepost - bumping a car in a car park - but will depress you if your car is new.
Best of luck
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - perleman
I just can't understand why you've got fixated on this one deal without even trying the car - it's not like the sort of car one would fall in love with on sight. If you buy this car from a dealer and it isn't for you, you'll waste thousands changing it.

On a seperate point, to me it seems like an insaine thing to do to spend life savings on a car that will depreciate to nothing in a few years, when you could get a loan at a low apr rate, pick a car that will depreciate slowly, and in the worst case scenario, sell the car to pay off the loan if you have to - otherwise what will you do if you need the savings for something more critical?
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Tykelass
I just can't understand why you've got fixated on this one deal without even trying the car - it's not like the sort of car one would fall in love with on sight.


I did a lot of research on the net, read reviews and had a very long list of cars I was interested in. The Note seemed to meet my needs, it had good reviews from several owners on a disabled person's forum I looked at and I liked it when I went to have a look at one. Also my father has a good relationship with a local Nissan dealer and they said they would do me a good deal - I didn't believe them but thought it was worth a look at least.
On a seperate point to me it seems like an insaine thing to do to
spend life savings on a car that will depreciate to nothing in a few years
when you could get a loan at a low apr rate pick a car that
will depreciate slowly and in the worst case scenario sell the car to pay off
the loan if you have to - otherwise what will you do if you need
the savings for something more critical?


As I mentioned earlier, I was going to use savings because another financial website I looked at recommended that you shouldn't get a loan or finance if you already have savings that you can use. It said there was little point in paying interest on a loan when you could buy something outright, and if you didn't have monthly loan payments to make you could put money back into your savings account again instead. With interest rates going up now I thought it would be best to use savings, but we've now reconsidered and won't be using all of our savings to buy a car.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - GregSwain
A couple of people mentioned about the Ford Focus auto, this sounds quite good but I'm not sure what type of auto gearbox it has


If i recall, the Focus autobox is based on a Jatco design that's been fiddled with by Mazda. Nissan owns Jatco, so basically it's a similar box to what you'll find on a Nissan. As local yokel says, they're all PRND321, and all feel roughly the same once you're on your way.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - bristolmotorspeedway {P}
As for finance we thought it would be better to use our savings rather than
get a loan (this is the advice we've had from other financial websites) but maybe
we should rethink that one.

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It's the general wisdom to pay off debt before saving, but if you can easily afford the loan then it's not such a bad thing to borrow. The main thing to consider is whether you will replace the savings at the same rate as you would pay off the loan? Once those savings are gone* then it is hard work putting them back.The difference between a decent loan rate (6.1%@Moneyback bank, 6.2%@Northern Rock as examples) and a vanilla cash-ISA rate (5.something percent) is not that great, so you won't be massively out of pocket by taking the loan. Of course, this only applies if you know you can afford the loan without it impacting your general spending and causing further debt.

* and when buying a car the money truly is gone, so I'd echo others advice and say buy nearly-new, especially as this is your first car.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - flunky
The only problem with going for a used car is I just can't go round
to auctions car supermarkets private owners etc to look at them .


For the sake of the thousands of pounds cheaper, I'd find a way to get around.

For my family I bought a £1,000 car while still a provisional driver (this was 3 years ago). It was not hugely dissimilar to a Nissan Note - it was a Renault Megane. My car seat fits in it just fine.

You would be absolutely barking mad to spend £10k on a new car without having passed your test.
So I was going for a new car as
I can easily get one locally or even from an internet broker and have it
delivered to my house as well as the reliability issues safety 3 year warranty etc.


I'm not really sure what you're worried about. Spend £2k on a used car, and you can use the £8,800 you've got spare for an RAC inspection or something. Add £35 for breakdown insurance, and you're done.
By the way daveyjp - just wondered why you said I shouldn't get hung up
about ISOFIX mounts for car seats? I thought they were necessary as I read in
Which that these are the best way to ensure a child seat is fitted properly
and they campaigned to get them put in all new cars.


Which? has 12 Best Buy car seats. 10 of these are not Isofix.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Tykelass
Which? has 12 Best Buy car seats. 10 of these are not Isofix.


Just read the new report (May 2007) - of the 12 Best Buys, 4 of them are or can be used in Isofix mode. The report also says this:

"Isofix - This system reduces the likelihood of the child seat being installed incorrectly, while providing a rigid contact between the seat and the car body. It gives better crash protection for children as it attaches the seat to the car more securely.

Isofix is the standard system for all new cars and seat manufacturers. If you are buying a new car, make sure it comes with Isofix mountings.

An enhancement on two-point Isofix is to have three-point Isofix, where the third (top) tether attaches to a fixing point to the rear of the car's seat back, preventing it from pivoting forward in an accident.

The three-point fixing should work even better than two-point fixing, because it holds the child seat even more securely. However, the two-point fixing is still generally much better than using seat belts to secure car seats".

Personally I don't mind paying extra for an Isofix seat if it means my daughter will be better protected. We won't be using the seat in any other car than our own so it doesn't matter if it's not universal fitting.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - henry k
>>Hi everyone, this is my first post so please be gentle with me :-)
Welcome on board. We will try and try not to use too much jargon etc.

It has been stated many times on here that there is a significant risk that new drivers will have a scrape or two in the early part of their driving after having passed there test.
This is bad enough on any car but on your first ( and a new one at that) is not a nice thought.
It is a little easier if it is not a new car.

It has also been stated by those with a buggy or more that it is a good idea to take it and some other regular items with you and see if they fit in the vehicle.

I too would agree that spending so much is certainly not a good idea.

Obtaining a car from an auction is usually suggested as giving the best value.
As a learner driver I am assuming you are not too familiar with examining a second hand car.
There are companies like Joe Dowds that will act on your behalf who will find a good example at a good price and buy it for you.
You obviously have to state what you require and I guess if you give a choice of colours that might speed up the search / process.
His company obviously charge a fee and I feel sure they can also arrange delivery at a sensible price.
They should eliminate poor offerings and also not get carried away on price.
There have been several reports here of happy buyers that have used his services.
www.auctioncarbuyer.co.uk/About-AuctionCarBuyer.htm
(I recognise that you still have to find an example locally and try it out before going the auction route.)

On a newish car there may still be some warranty remaining or you can purchase some afterwards for added peace of mind.

Do try out some online insurance quotes for a range of cars you might have on your short list.
I've been told I won't get much discount on this as I want an automatic.

May we ask why you have decided on an automatic?
You will also not get very good fuel consumption from a normal automatic compared with a manual especially around town. Do not expect fuel consumption to be close to a manual version.
I hope this extra fuel cost is in your budget.
My husband can't drive for medical reasons so I will be the only driver.

You will obviously ensure he is comfortable in all senses with you choice.
There have been lots of discussions about the comfort of seats etc and cars dismissed due to this alone.
Remembering that 3 door cars seem good to get in and out of when learning to drive but are not much fun in a tight parking bay or if you have rear seat passengers.

There are many here who will try to help you with any questions you have so fire away


1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - tyro
I think that henry k's suggestion of using Joe Dowd is a good one.

It gets around a lot of the difficulties of buying a 2nd hand car, especially for those of us who wouldn't be quite sure what to look for.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - ukbeefy
I sympathise with the OP...If you don't have a car it is actually really hard to go searching for a car in real life, especially hunting down places from Autotrader. It might take all day to visit just a few garages by public transport likewise I assume the auction sites are positioned much more for the road network rather than public transport.

The other thing to do is perhaps look at the car supermarket sites where you could go and try out a large range of cars. As you say you are inexperienced it might be sensible to see how the space/accessibility and controls work in a range of sizes of car.

Is something like a Citroen Berlingo or Renault eqivalent type car/van a suitable easy to get in and out of car for your needs?
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - tyro
Is something like a Citroen Berlingo or Renault eqivalent type car/van a suitable easy to
get in and out of car for your needs?


Citroen Berlingo and Renault Kangoo may not have the greatest NCAP scores, but they are still reasonable. Citroen Berlingo has the advantage that if you really want to buy brand new, you can get one for under £8000 - and you do get plenty of space.

If buying 2nd hand, 3 spacious, reliable vehicles worth thinking about are Toyota Yaris Verso, Toyota Corolla Verso or a Mazda Premacy.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - daveyjp
I know the trouble buying a car when you don't have one. I had to take a cab to buy my first car - luckily it was a good one and not far away.

My dad is a driving instructor who uses a local garage for his car purchases and all servicing - has done for 20 years so knows them well. A number of my dad's pupils have bought cars from the garage as they ask him who he uses - could be worth a try with your instructor.

ISOFIX - you can do a forum search, but we decided to try and buy an Isofix seat for our cars and it was a nightmare - despite both cars having Isofix we couldn't find an Isofix seat to fit both, despite literature saying they should. My other concern was if we found one which fitted our current cars it may not fit the next car we buy. I wasn't prepared to pay another £200 for another Isofix seat. We bought a belt fastened seat and if it's fitted correctly is as good as Isofix. I negotiated a car seat as part of my new car deal, so cost to me was nil, but I still avoided Isofix. Yes it's a great system in principal, in practice it may not be all it's cracked up to be.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Tykelass
May we ask why you have decided on an automatic?
You will also not get very good fuel consumption from a normal automatic compared with
a manual especially around town. Do not expect fuel consumption to be close to a
manual version.
I hope this extra fuel cost is in your budget.


Henry k, many thanks for your useful post and the link to Joe Dowds, I will certainly consider using them, I didn't know services like that existed. As for the reason why I want an automatic, it's simply because I am learning to drive in one and I will only be qualified to drive an auto after I have passed my test. I already knew about the increased fuel consumption and have budgeted for it.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - local yokel
So why not change to a manul for your lessons, and take the test in one? You will have more flexibility in the cars you then buy/drive.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - Tykelass
So why not change to a manul for your lessons and take the test in
one? You will have more flexibility in the cars you then buy/drive.


Oh no, not another manual v auto debate :-) I've had enough of that on the learner driver's forum I use, but I have lots of support there as there are plenty of driving instructors and learners who use auto's. I've spent a large amount of money on lessons, I'm just about ready to put in for my test, I like driving an auto (tried manual years ago), sorry but I'm not going to change now!
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - 1066
if you like the note then do the deal but feel better about spending your money by getting the price down as far as you can.
i like my note, and a friend who only can drive autos has borrowed mine and is now waiting for a new note to be delivered.

look around as good deals can be had and a brand new one may be possible if you do your research for not much more than the used one you are looking at.
1st time car buyer - should I buy this? - T Lucas
Get the loan from thr A&L,its really cheap.Buy the new Nissan Note thru an Internet broker,plenty recommended on this site,get it delivered to your front door.Then enjoy your new car and the freedom it brings.
There seems to be a misconception that used cars dont depreciate,they do big time,especially if you buy from a main dealer.