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Its a smallish DAF (Sherpa) size vehicle with a extra long cab for passengers. The vehicles are always obviously scrap. I assume he takes the truck home and goes to the scrapyard first thing in the morning.
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AFAIK the towed car does not have to have tax or MOT as it becomes a trailer when being towed and is subject to the same regs as a trailer, i.e. Structurally sound (no bits falling off) and tread legal tyres. ther are however rules regarding parking HGV vehicles in residential areas.
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I was unaware of regs regarding HGVs in residential areas. Near us a large plasterboard truck regularly parks overnight along parking spaces that are 'nose-in' to the curb outside a small parade of shops - there are houses opposite. Doesn't particularly bother me - I just didn't know it might be illegal.
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Ijust didn't know it might be illegal.
It probably isn't, An LGV needs to have an operating center designated on their operators licence - this is where the truck must be parked the "majority" of the time. He could therefore park at the shops 2 nights a week quite illegitimately as long as he parked at his base for say 3 nights a week etc.
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Doh!!
Should of course read "legitimately".
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kith I am interested in your comments, as I have just purchased a running but un-MOT'd/taxd vehicle off ebay. I thought I would have to trailer it, but from what you say I could tow it using another car? Or does this only apply in the situation already described when a towtruck is being used and the front wheels are not on the road?
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the towed vehicle with 2 wheels on the ground has to be mot and taxed
this type of recovery is only legal if vehicle has broken down and is road compliant
second recoveries from a salvage yard to place of repair is still dodgy ground if you get pulled
OP if its a sherpa 350? then he can park but he still cant use the spec with scrap on the back
as said he also needs a waste licence
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as it becomes part of the towing vehicle as long as it is not overweight or dangerous to other road users it does not need tax or mot ,lights while moving can easily be supplied by a light bar and it does not need a waste license untill it has actually been notified as waste which is sometimes done with a crushing certificate
you would be better to look for ways to help people who tidy up old cars etc than trying to hinder them
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and it does not need awaste license untill it has actually been notified as waste which is sometimes done with a crushing certificate
Not true i'm afraid my dear chap, Any item becomes waste when the original owner decides it is. i.e. If I sell you a car as scrap then it becomes waste and as such needs a waste carriers licence to be transported. The fact that you may put 5ltrs of fuel in it then start it and use it for the next 3 years means nothing to the environment agency - the definition of "What is waste" comes from originator not the collector.
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TU did you actually read what you quoted me as saying ? and it does not need awaste license untill it has actually been notified as waste ,my point is that the unknown factor is who has the v5 and it may not yet be classed as waste
an example of this is a car being taken for dismantling and parts reused or sold which is not waste ,a waste license is needed to handle the residue and for the dismantling site
a simpler example would be a written of car in an accident which could be classed as waste but the breakdown truck which lifts it from the roadside does not need a waste license however after the dvla have been notified it is scrap a waste license is needed to dispose of it
bell boy,regarding lighting I was thinking from description under 3.5 tonnes ,I do actually deal with SEPA (scottish environment agency)so know a bit about this and 3,my last comments were not directed to you so sorry if I gave that impression
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Defender, I did read your post. But the person who defines whether or not it is waste is the person who is disposing of it, not the person who is collecting. If the seller of the car decides he is selling as scrap/waste then that is what it is, regardless of what the V5 or the collector state.
This argument has been going round for years. One of my first jobs was working as a waste regulation inspector for a local authority (before it all went over to the Environment Agency) and I would regularly have to attend multi agency road side stops, so have a little bit of background and knowledge as to what I am saying (and have seen the prosecutions).
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you are still missing my point that it is unknown what it is classed as ,lets all lose the guilty untill proven otherwise attitude and we would all be better off ,life is too short to go around causing needless trouble for someone just because you dont like what they are doing
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you are still missing my point that it is unknown what it is classed as lets all lose the guilty untill proven otherwise attitude and we would all be better off life is too short to go around causing needless trouble for someone just because you dont like what they are doing
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Now I get your point - I thought you were being "general" not meaning the OP specific incident.
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>the towed vehicle with 2 wheels on the ground has to be mot and taxed
Are you sure? I know several people who tow to off-road events without tax & MOT on the towed car.
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to defender,if you are moving waste ( in this case scrap cars, unless you can prove that you as an individual own the vehicle and are not transporting it as a business) then i can confirm most definately that you do indeed need a waste licence
To go further if the enviromental officer stops you in the process of carrying any goods in the act of a business and he doesnt like what he sees then he can set enforcement action on you if he decides its waste ,its his decision its final and its harsh,maybe you want to see these men in action as i have.
With regards the suspended tow it was me that fought the cornewr on cm long enough to say it was legal to tow with two wheels off the ground but i was overuled and told it is illegal,i dont do it,dont want or need to do it so in my case the jury is out
The lights refered to any vehicle that is over 3 1/2 tonne gross has to show sidelights in lighting up time irrespective of the speed limit of the road,when parked up
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you have me totally wrong i try and help anybody and i certainly dont want someone falling outside the law due to bad advice on a forum
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One has to say though bb that the average 'environmental officer' may not make much impression on the average two or three roughnecks transporting waste automobiles, if you see what I mean. A platoon of SAS perhaps... but an 'environmental officer'?
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What bellboy says seems to fit with what is required for builders waste.
Most builders do not have a license to transport waste - most builders do transport waste. I suspect that the motor trade is no different.
All I can say is that I'm glad I have a bunch of reasonable neigbours who don't mind my van outside my house - Having said that half of them come to me for advice and jobs to be done. My next door neigbour is one of my best customers
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i agree most builders skip the waste ticket only a hundred quid or so but now the law states you cant dump building waste without a ticket you cant enter a couincil dump with a commericail vechile
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Lud funny you should say that as SEPA officers now hunt in pairs for most things and have to report back to the office on a regular basis ( think its hourly) in case they have come to harm
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