Got back off hols late last night. Picked up car from car park, left wife and v tired kids with bags at arivals. Pulled into a layby outside where they were waiting, jobsworth arrives and says 'you've just been fined £100, it will arrive within 7 days we'll get your details off DVLA'. Lay-by had double yellows and was partially coned off.
A) watch out for this - I would n't want anyone else to have the feelings of anger I expereicned last night
b) Legal?
c) Can DVLA divulge this info to enforce what I assume would be a civil action?
No obvious signs or I wouldn't have done it. Presumably private land.
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So much for the right to a fair trial. Did you get a ticket or anything from him ?
DVLA can and will do so.
Legal, need more information, I pwersnally would challenge on an umber fronts not least signage, written notification. I would ask to see documentary evidence that "they" may have. SOunds quite dodgy to me.
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No ticket. His job seemed to be to tell us after we had committed the "crime" rather than to try to prevent it.
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No, if you don't pay, they would have to sue you, and are unlikely to win. The trouble is, 90%+ people are spineless and will just rollover and surrender. I'm thinking it is best to setup one of those mailbox addresses such as those used by ex-pats in order to use as a Registered Keeper company address, as more and more scams and vehicle thefts seem to be aided and abetted by the DVLA.
These addresses are around £100 a year, but you can share it among freinds and family so the cost to each person is less.
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Not sure about setting up the mail-box, sounds a bit dodgy but as for spineless.....this one will be at Strasbourg before I roll over!
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I am 100% with anybody who fights misguided or petty officialdom but it could be thought that 2 yellow lines and some cones was attempt towards 'crime prevention'! I thought that it was a tenet of English law that one could not suffer financial penalty with a trial ie due process of law. Fight it but be prepared to lose, I say
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could not suffer financial penalty with a trial ie due
Without a trial - typo and Oh for an edit facility!
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Nsar
Liverpool John Lennon Airport website section on Passenger Facilities tinyurl.com/plosw re Car Parking states:
"A pick-up and set-down area is available outside the terminal entrance."
I obviously do not know whether you were anywhere near this or not, but why not call the Customer Services people at the airport to find if they can clarify what's going on befre deciding what to do?
Jack
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UJ, thank you for taking the time to search that out. I can't help feeling that they have already done the deciding for me and that I'll be wasting my breath as I clearly was with the muppet in the hi-viz jacket last night.
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I personally think he was bluffing and trying to scare.
Unless offence dtected by Police and other than London a ticket has to be put on the car or given to the driver for this to stick. No mention of that.
Come back to this post if anything paperworkwise received......
dvd
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I'm with DVD on this one.
Might be worth clikin on www.appealnow.com
The guys there seem to be well up on rules n regs for parking!!
VB
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Taking a chance is all very well, but when you are caught, don't blame the poor sod who has to move the chancers.
Double yellows. Does this not tell you something? Like school and zebra crossing markings, its expected that you know. Parking where its forbidden is an offence: take it to court if you want to fight it, but have deep pockets!
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Parking enforcement around airports is very strong - presumably due to potential terrorist threat. B'ham airport arrivals and departures is a bit of a nightmare at the moment - its tricky even to stop for a moment.
Sorry it happened, but to be honese I don't feel a lot of sympathy - if there were yellow lines and cones I can't imagine what your defence is going to be...
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>>No obvious signs or I wouldn't have done it.>>
The requirement to have plate signs no longer applies for double yellow lines.
You are allowed to load or unload, which is what I would consider you did.
This link will be of interest (the information is reprinted by many local councils on their websites as well):
tinyurl.com/nxtzs
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What\'s for you won\'t pass you by
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Speke airport is owned/run by Peel Holdings. Not sure that normal LA appeal procedures, or rules about being physically ticketed, will apply in those circs.
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If the yellow lines are accompanied by double yellows on the kerb, you can't even stop there for a moment. As Aprilia remarked there are good reasons to deter vehicles from drawing up, to prevent a free-for-all, and to allow a clear field of fire.
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Personally, I'd be very surprised if you heard anything further on the matter. My friend did exactly the same thing at Stansted Airport in Essex. A jobsworth there came running over in Hi-Viz waistcoat clutching clip-board in hand, claiming "you'll be getting a ticket for this mate", but failed to take any of his details. That was a year ago and he's still waiting....
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Wasn't there a similar thing going on in (I think) Reading, where a private company was sending penalty notices to people who stopped, even momentarilly, on the railway station approach?
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Err ... I thought it was ok to set down and/or pickup passengers on double yellows. Nsar doesn't say - but did he switch off? Did he get out the car? - i.e. did he park?
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I pulled up next to wife and kids who were standing with trolley with four big bags on+hand luggage, I jumped out to park trolly with others 20 yards away, leaving my door open and my wife had the hatchback open all the time loading bags, no way you could interpret that as parking and leaving the vehicle. Car was stationery for perhaps 90 seconds, 30 of which were taken up having pointless conversation with Hi-Viz man.
There were some cones but so widely spaced that I had no difficulty whatsoever in pulling into/out of the layby so I don't see how they are a deterrent. It was a large lay-by clearly designed for pulling into ie not blocking any traffic, not that there was any to speak of at 11pm.
Thanks for the links posted earlier.
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This is a similar situation to what a friend of mine experienced near Reading railway station recently. He stopped for less than 60 secs to let a passenger, get out of the car and leaving the engine running etc. Some privately employed jobsworth took a digital pic of this and he got a letter (with picture) asking him to pay a substantial fine.
What he actually did was send them a digital picture of a cheque for the said amount, and I dont think it went any further. There is a quirk with the approaches to Reading station where some of the land belongs to Prudential Assurance etc which I think caused this.
The bottom line - donk give in to these jerks.
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