Buy one... and get it remapped to 160bhp for £300... the same state of tune as it is in the 320d (same engine, i think)
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Despite all reasons 75 diesels are horrifically overpriced, with 3 years old models and reasonable mileages fetching £9500 and up. Rover 75 in price bracket of well specced diesel Volvos or VW Passats is certainly no bargain.
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I've been an admirer of the Rover 75 virtually since it first came out.
A very classy and comfortable form of conveyance and one, in fact, that many mistook for the then new "small" Jaguar when this was launched.
They can look very similar from some angles, especially from the rear.
All the Rover 75 owners I know (and one spent much of his life in Mondeos and similar company cars) swear by their example.
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Despite all reasons 75 diesels are horrifically overpriced, with 3 years old models and reasonable mileages fetching £9500 and up. Rover 75 in price bracket of well specced diesel Volvos or VW Passats is certainly no bargain.
That's the point. imo the 75 is a real bargain. A Passat is v. low rent compared to the 75 and the Volvo offers nothing over it.
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> That's the point. imo the 75 is a real bargain. A Passat is v. low rent compared to the 75 and the Volvo offers nothing over it.
Not really - at the end of the day Rover 75 is still no longer manufactured, old nineties design, presented without manufacturers warranty parachute to fix potential squeaks, rattles and loose wires and as such you'd expect to see it being flogged left right and center with bargain pricetags. However, in classic spring sale style, because everyone expected it to be bargain and everyone wants to score a piece of this bargain, Rover 75 suddenly is in demand and it's actually more expensive on second hand market than before the manufacturers infamous bancruptsy.
Where all price guides quote target prices of £9390-£9950 for 05 CDTi Classic Saloon with 10k miles on the clock from franchised dealer and £8950 Glass' part exchange value the market truth is you will have hard time finding one listed by trade for less than £12,000. It's fools gold right now.
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Despite all reasons 75 diesels are horrifically overpriced, with 3 years old models and reasonable mileages fetching £9500 and up. Rover 75 in price bracket of well specced diesel Volvos or VW Passats is certainly no bargain.
My Rover 75 was so much better that any of my wifes Passats to be laughable.
There's a difference between price and value for money.
A Rover 75 diesel offers excellant value for money - especially in a higher specced version.
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I thought there was a problem sourcing body panels for this model, or has the difficulty now been hopefully overcome.????
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>>>My Rover 75 was so much better that any of my wifes Passats >>>to be laughable.
So this is why they are still making Rover 75's is it?
I sat in a 75 when going with a friend, in my Passat, to buy one (he only buys British). The roof is too low and the interior is like an old fifties film. The fake wood on the dashboard was naff in the extreme. The seats were lined with white stripes, horrid.
When I got into the Passat to go home, it felt like going from 1955 to 2005. I think my friend thought so as well, but he wouldn't admit it. He is still driving his S reg Mondeo (I told him it was British when we bought it)
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>>I told him it was British when we bought it>>
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I sat in a 75 when going with a friend, in my Passat, to buy one (he only buys British). The roof is too low and the interior is like an old fifties film. The fake wood on the dashboard was naff in the extreme. The seats were lined with white stripes, horrid.
Whether the styling suits you is a different matter and not in dispute. The car is great value for money and much better quality than any Passat has been.
For the sake of accuracy no 75 was ever produced with white striped seats-sounds more like a Passat GTi to me ;)
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OK, it had white piping around the seats, still horrid.
Yes only 6 months warranty.
Rover better quality than VW, I don't think so. Every Rover dealer mentioned that the diesel was a BMW.
My pal wanted a Rover45, I managed to talk him out of that, so he bought the "British" Mondeo. Most/many people think Ford's and Vauxhall's are British.
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Well well a positive response to buying a Rover 75,please don't tell everyone or the prices will rise. For those who show such good taste and individuality in their silver BMW's and Merc's perhaps if you'd considered a Rover or MG British manufacturing might have a few more jobs.
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We have to be on about the new Passat to say it's a nicer interior than the 75. Aren't we?
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Bought a nearly new 2001 Passat. Kept it for 12 months. Poorly built, rattled, creaked, constant electrical problems. Dealers arrogant.
Nearly new MG ZT. kept for over two years (only sold for something more practical). Not one squeak. Faultless throughout. Dealers weren't bad either.
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>>>My Rover 75 was so much better that any of my wifes Passats >>>to be laughable. So this is why they are still making Rover 75's is it? I sat in a 75 when going with a friend, in my Passat, to buy one (he only buys British). The roof is too low and the interior is like an old fifties film. The fake wood on the dashboard was naff in the extreme. The seats were lined with white stripes, horrid. When I got into the Passat to go home, it felt like going from 1955 to 2005. I think my friend thought so as well, but he wouldn't admit it. He is still driving his S reg Mondeo (I told him it was British when we bought it)
Hi Quizman
I'm never going to persuade you that a Rover 75 Diesel is a good buy, but I'll share with you why I think that it is a better car than a VW Passat.
In the 50 months and 65000 miles that i had my Rover 75 from new, my only non-service items that I spent money on (apart from tyres) was 2 x headlight bulbs. In the meantime (it was actually only 36 months of ownership) from my wifes 2 x Passats we had to replace a gearox (@45000 miles), a Clutch (@ 48000 miles) and a turbo (@ 13000 miles).
The Rover was a very comfortable long distance tourer, the Passats banged over every bump.
The Rover interior was Tan Leather and wood and was very light @ airy, the Passat interior was designed by Mr Black, who sold Black to blacken up large areas of blackened plastic.
The Rover CDTI engine was smooth and had torque from way down there and upwards, the Passat Diesel was all or nothing.
The Rover was much higher specced.
The Rover was quiet, The Passats were noisy.
The Rover dealers was excellant, polite, friendly & efficient, the VW dealers were rude, hostile and unhelpful.
Rover servicing was cheap
VW servicing was expensive.
I was getting 15000 service intervals on my Rover
My Rover was rattle & vibration free, the Passats had more rattles than a nursery.
I could go on, but I fear that I would be wasting my typing skills by doing so.
MTC
p.s. & the reason that they're no longer making them has very little to do with the car, and a lot to do with Rover Group going belly up - but I think that you may have known that already.
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agree with a lot you say basicaly the 75 was too late to save rover, I often wonder if all those that poke fun at the 75 have ever driven one or are making assumtions on badge alone
I was in my Bro's Audi A4 2.5 TDI Estate this weekend,have to say somber interior and less room than a 75 with hard seats too even he admits its not the best handling car in the world with the large engine slung over the front axle
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75 was a fine car, much better to drive than a Passat IMO though let down by it's engines. IMO the smaller K-Series were fine (in 1989 on Metros, 200s etc) though the 1.8 was at its best in an Elise and not up to the job in a 75, the later 1.8 turbo was better though not what you would call fast. The 2.0 V6 was slow and thirsty, the std 2.5 fine though not as torquey as a 2.5 Vectra, the 190 in the MG ZT being the best petrol. The BMW diesels were fine though could have done with the same torque as when fitted to a BMW. A decent refined and punchy 140/150 bhp 2.0 ltr would have really helped the 75 in its early days before emission BiK favoured diesels, why did they not fit the 2.0 16v twin cam from the 800 / 600?
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>>with hard seats too>>
Much better for long distance comfort and avoiding backache etc.
It's seats that are too soft or non-supportive that cause so many ailments/problems for owners, which is why M-B, Audi, BMW etc provide proper support for occupants.
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Rover 75 is not a bad car, good build quality. You have to like the 'retro' looks though - I think it looks a bit daft, but that's just my opinion. I don't like retro-style cars in general.
Couple of things to watch out for though. The cooling fan controllers have a habit of going wrong - about £400 IIRC. Also a trader mate took a 75 Diesel as a p/ex. The engine was running a bit rough. Turned out to be a faulty injector. We then found that the injector was siezed solid in the head! BMW told him that the only solution was a new head - then said heads were unobtainable and he'd have to get a complete new engine!
Didn't manage to shift the injector so bailed out and sent it to BCA!
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Having just come back from Alton Towers on Friday in my Focus Sport with very firm seats I can tell you I was beginning to fantasise about driving a Rover 75 or Mondeo Ghia X on the return leg of the journey, hmmm, soft leather seats would have bee a godsend!
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You can argue all you want but it is an obsolete car ,with little or no real backup,and whatever you do stay clear of main land europe you could be stranded forever in the event of a breakdown.They do not realise these magic figures up in the wilds of Leeds.
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and whatever you do stay clear of main land europe you could be stranded forever in the event of a breakdown.They do not realise these magic figures up in the wilds of Leeds.
With the greatest of respect that is simply incorrect and sad scaremongering borne out of I know not what.
There are tens of thousands of 75 owners in France, Germany, Luxembourg, Denmark etc. etc.and they have access to technical and maintenance support as we do. When I drive my car to Europe I can use it (never had to though, too reliable ;) )
I do understand that some people just don't like Rover but that doesn't mean that facts should be ignored for the sake of a good story.
Are you against Leeds also?
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There appears to be 2 types of poster on this thread
1) Those who have owned / are owning a Rover 75 who know what they are talking about and who say that the car is good vehicle and a good purcahse
and then theres
2) The people who have never owned one and who tell you that they are rubbish.
So who do you listen to, the voice of experience or the voice of (typically) "I don't like how they look so they must be crap".
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I dont like how they look therefore they must be crap.
Seriously
If they (Rover group) had had a range of cars as good as the 75 we would still be seeing them rolling off the production line.
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> There appears to be 2 types of poster on this thread (...)
And there is also third group, grossly ignored, which point out that current prices of Rover 75 diesels are simply over the odds. If you can find low mileage 05 plate CDTi Connoisseur for between £9500 and £10,000 then it's a fairly good buy. Unfortunatelly most dealers will list it for £12,000 and if it's not a bargain what's the point of buying it?
Unless there is sudden shift in Rover's situation I think we should all start looking at any Rover purchase from different angle. The idea of Chinese ever coming back to Britain to make anything, leave alone cars, is almost funny, if not proposterous.
And £12k is a lot of money to pay for a car that in two years time has very good chance to become unsellable relic with no parts, no licensed consumables, and except its Jaguaresque, conservative appeal to tight budget retirement sector, nothing to defend itself from complete colapse in residuals. Yes, it's luxurious, but at the end of the day it's not that much different than buying Yugo or Trabant. Either buy it as cheap, disposable baragain, or not at all.
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True, but then again they will insist on constant repetition of uninformed and entirely subjective third party comments designed not to contribute to any discussion or debate but sadly only to vent some strange spleen.
Ignored yes but quite understandably lol
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> Ignored yes but quite understandably lol
Uninformed? Repetitive? Subjective? And you tell me I vent some strange spleen? You nice man, you. (*pinches R40's cheek*)
Well, I merely pointed out the current prices don't follow any rational guide at the moment and can't be classed as bargain. It's easy to check - call up any guide, even notoriously "overly optimistic" Parker's and compare target prices of diesel 75 to autotrader frenchised prices and then tell me it's "a real bargain", why don't you? Fool, his money. For all I care.
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>>but it is an obsolete car>>
Hardly obsolete - there are models around that have been in production for much longer than the late 1990s.
What's more it still looks, to my eyes at least, quite elegant and, in hotter versions, quite dramatic.
Further, the AA lists only two recalls for the model during its history which is a better record than many other cars:
tinyurl.com/s7kpc
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Definition:
old; no longer in use or valid or fashionable; "obsolete words"; "an obsolete locomotive"; "outdated equipment"; "superannuated laws"; "out-of-date ideas"
disused: no longer in use; "obsolete words"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Obsolescence is when a person or object is no longer wanted even though it is still in good working order.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsolete
So a Rover 75 is obsolete by the first definition but not so by the second.
Personally I think anyone, who pays more than £5k for a car whose manaufacturer no longer exists, is laying themselves open to crippling depreciation...
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I agree there are two types on these threads:
Those who point out that the manufacturers gone bust and that parts are finite unless one company solely at its discretion decides to re-manufacture and can charge whatever price it likes and therefore any Rover only makes sense at a cheap enough to chuck away if necessary price and;
Those who for whatever reason insist on denying this reality.
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There do seem to be quite a few spare parts suppliers around:
www.xpart.com/index.htm
tinyurl.com/nnv3c (see second from last story re 200th outlet)
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Thanks for all the info. Still think the 75 if bought for sensible money with good service history will be good value for money. Just wonder about long term reliability when 6 - 10 years old. I tend to keep a car I like until it drops or in the case of my Rover 414si was driven in to by a taxi - still gave me three years trouble free and comfortable motoring for less than a grand!
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Those who point out that the manufacturers gone bust and that parts are finite unless one company solely at its discretion decides
The point is rather spoilt by the fact that production (and therefore parts production) is about to restart in China.
Those who for whatever reason insist on denying this reality.
I think that reality is a stranger for virtually all car drivers. It costs us a fortune, cars are changed at ludicrously short intervals and great cost and most car choices are based on subjective emotions and for reasons of style etc. (seee MINI, BMW, or any other car).
I can't see why 75 drivers should be any different to all the others :)
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how many were advised not to buy a 200/400 series due to K engine problems,loads are still about and going strong.
I see no reason why 75 should not last as long,as someone mentioned from some angles at a distance they do look like Jags,I wouldnt mind one myself
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You could be cynical though, and say that loads are about as garages have got so much practice that they can change the HG in a few minutes ;-)
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You could be cynical though, and say that loads are about as garages have got so much practice that they can change the HG in a few minutes ;-)
Not an issue for the Diesel or the KV6. The 1.8 is though a bit more of a risk.............
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We drove up to Bristol from Devon to look at a 75 diesel Estate. We thought it was a CDTi, but had been misadvertised and was only a CDT, and had 10k more miles than stated, so we walked away. (In addition to not having the sat nav and parking sensors as the ad stated...) We assumed that if that much of the ad was incorrect, the dealer was hiding something.
Was an exceptionally nice car to drive though, dealer just handed us the keys and we took it for a spin. Very heavy clutch, I found balancing it quite difficult and nearly stalled once. Performance felt akin to my 1.9TD Xsara, but slightly slower to get going, obviously being a heavier car.
CDTi's seem remarkably difficult to get hold of at the moment.
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If you want a CDTi just buy the CDT and spend £150 on the upgrade. Plenty available to take it up to 131.
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I have no intention of buying one but can you explain Mike?
I'm intrigued!
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Hi Adam
With Mike not being here at the moment, I'll tell you what I did with my Rover 75 CDT.
Quite simple really, I took it to the Rover Dealer, asked for the X-Power upgrade & voila, BHP up from 116 to 131 bhp and a nice increase in torque as well. & out comes a CDTi ! It was over 3 years ago that i did it and I think that it cost more than £150, but it made a real difference to the cars performance, but I still returned over 45mpg from every tankful.
Very, very worthwhile to do. Just remember to tell your insurance company afterwards.
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If only all upgrades were that simple!
Cheers Murph.
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If I had to buy another car with my money it would definately be the 75. I currently have one with just short of 220,000 miles and feels like its done a 1/4 of that mileage.
I have had to replace a couple of things and never had any issues with parts and my local garage assures me there is no problems either. This situation can only get better as they start to go back into production next year.
If you want something reliable, comfortable, cheap to own and with a wow factor wherever you turn up then the 75 is not far from perfect.
For lots of owners experiences/advice pop onto mg-rover.org forums and then go to the 75 section.
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why not take it upto 155bhp like it is in the 320d/520d?
upsolute do it for £300
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why not take it upto 155bhp like it is in the 320d/520d? upsolute do it for £300
At the time my car was 9 months old and taking the power to 131 with the X-Power kept my warranty intact - warranty intactness not being something that people are to bothered about now of course !
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Hi, reasuring to read about positive owners views and low running costs. What mpg is realistic on a long (motorway) drive at 65-70mph?
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Hi, reasuring to read about positive owners views and low running costs. What mpg is realistic on a long (motorway) drive at 65-70mph? Cheers, Ian
Hi Ian
The best I ever got on a long trip (Lake District to Alton Towers & back) at 75 - 80 mph (sorry, I can't remember any long distance trips at 65-70 mph) was 53 mpg - would possibly have got more if aircon turned off !
Typically on a long distance 80 mph ish run I was getting 48 mpg, but in mixed motoring I was getting 45 mpg from each tank.
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I get around 40 to 45 on a run slightly less than i got with a early passat TDI (m reg) thats with AC on or off
Where it is good is when i tow our crarvan good performance and a steady 35 to 40 MPG which is excellent
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I have not read all thats in this thread, but I have the point of view of someone who worked in a Rover service department.
Quite frankly, its pathetic that people are complaining that a Passat has a black interior - they come in the same tan colour your can get a 75 in if the owner so desires - if you friends have a black interior, thats down to them, not VW.
The 75 had many good points, but without parking sensors, its a pig to reverse park and the volume of electrical issues I saw with those things beggard belief.
We had cars in every other week to sort out one thing or another. Clutches routinely went at 40,000 and headgaskets at around 50,000.
And a service history... doesnt mean much as many parts of the service were skipped to increase profitability and only the bare minimum was done.
We sold a batch of 65 cars to a large company, 18 of which were so riddled with faults they had to be sent back to Rover!
I loved driving the 75, but I wouldnt want one down in my name!
The best 75's were the early ones which will have been fettled over the last 7 years up to a good standard before Rover really went bad and the mechanics stopped caring.
Id buy a Lexus everytime for that money or if it had to be diesel, Id go with a Beemer, regardless of their image issues, they are superb cars.( you dont HAVE to buy silver ones people! )
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Well, we've just put a deposit on the Bristol one. It's definitely going to need a new clutch in the short term, but the dealer has given us 150 quid towards it, and 1000 for my Dad's Leganza (which we reckon is only worth a couple of hundred).
Will be going to pick it up Saturday. It's dark blue, 02 reg, climate, leather, electric seats etc. We got it for 4850 altogether with 98k on the clock.
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Like many I have had satisfactory service from two 75's,the only comment to make about your wonderful BMW's is that all the electrics on a '75 are from the BMW parts bin !
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>Quite frankly, its pathetic that people are complaining that a Passat has a black interior - they come in the same tan colour your can get a 75 in if the owner so desires - if you friends have a black interior, thats down to them, not VW.
The best 75's were the early ones which will have been fettled over the last 7 years up to a good standard before Rover really went bad and the mechanics stopped caring.
Hi stunorthants
The car that i was talking about was my wifes Passat - at no time when we were dealing with the dealer did the salesman (said in the loosest terms) mention the tan interior option - in hindsight given the VW dealers lack of cutomer care and general blaze attitude, it shouldn't have been a surprise.
My car was a November 2001 Tourer, which was absolutely faultless.
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>>And a service history... doesnt mean much as many parts of the service were skipped to increase profitability and only the bare minimum was done.
Since when has this been a new point,been the same for over 20 years on any car!
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The Passat could have a furry pink interior and still remain, quite possibly, the most boring car to sit in. Ever.
And yes - Much as I hate the Almera, it's still streets ahead of the Passat. Interior wise.
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The Passat could have a furry pink interior and still remain, quite possibly, the most boring car to sit in. Ever. And yes - Much as I hate the Almera, it's still streets ahead of the Passat. Interior wise.
Adam old boy, for a chap who drives a odd coloured car (I can't spell beige) you do write some tosh.
The Passat is beautifull inside, esp at night when the blueish pannel lights are on. I took my son to Luton airport yesterday, he's going to Kracov for some reason with his mates. It was a pleasure to drive, plenty of power I got up to a ton a few times, and it returned 49mpg.
The Passat is a fantastic car, I would not hesitate to buy another.
But not in gold of beige!
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>. I took my son to Luton airport yesterday, he's going to Kracov for some reason with his mates. It was a pleasure to drive, plenty of power I got up to a ton a few times, and it returned 49mpg.<<
Forgive me Quizzy but that's not what I said. It's a dull, oppressive interior which even the 75 manages to better. Although the blue dials are cool.
I never called into question it's driving abilities although there too it is a little soggy handling wise.
I take back my Almera being better comments but I stick to my comments about it being rather basic, boring and bland ;-)
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There are no doubts that VW interior designers used to work for the National Coal Board. Depressing and lacking in style does not even come close.
Think the new Passat brought a small glimmer of light to end of that dark tunnel of VW interior tradition however
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Thanks Adski, I am glad that you are coming around to my way of thinking, I suppose you are a bit too young to have a Passat, but it is fine for me at the moment.
I wonder now that there will be no more Rovers, what is an old chap supposed to drive? Has anyone got any suggestions.
Was the Rover badged the 75 because you had to be 75 to drive one?
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Its a well know fact that old gits drive Rover 75's and those old gits with no taste drive Passats.
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Making a special trip to buy a flat cap for our new one tomorrow. Will also need to practice sitting in the fast lane at 40mph peering through the steering wheel.
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i havent read all these posts but believe they are all in favour of buying the 75 diesel?
Can i just recommend that before original poster purchases such a beast he gets the lowdown from the place that will be servicing it what their feelings are in relation to working on it?
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My local garage reckons on no problems either servicing it or getting parts. It's nearly all BMW stuff anyway.
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Oh dear that's a bit below the belt. I will tell you TVR ex RV, buy a Passat and a Laguna, use for 5 years and you will find which is the best, and holds it's money .
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Only the diesel engine is BMW. The chassis is Rover. How can it be BMW chassised if its FWD?
Nevertheless, Xpart and other companies distribute rover parts, and from what I hear they are in plentiful supply (apart from the odd body panel)
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Only the diesel engine is BMW. The chassis is Rover. How can it be BMW chassised if its FWD?
Have they really never made a FWD car?
Why are they so invested in RWD?
Genuine post BTW.
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I think this post has now gone into a bit badge snober. Rover this bmw that etc boreing!
Fact is 75 is a good car. Unfortunatly not made any more END OF Story thank you goodnight!MM
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