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Would any of you help? - Big Bad Dave
We published an amusing and thought provoking article in our motoring magazine this week. We positioned a badly crashed Poski Fiat against a tree on a desolate stretch of road with an editor slumped at the wheel and hid a photographer in the bushes opposite (all under police guidance of course). The idea being just to see how many people would stop. Out of 31 cars that passed, 13 people stopped to help, two of them were women. Nobody called police or rescue services. Only one person knew exactly what to do regarding first-aid - an 18-year old girl who had only just passed her test.

I wonder what I would do. When I was 19 or so I pulled four teenagers out of a van that was on it?s roof and leaking petrol. The boys in the seats were ok but the girls who had been in the cargo area had broken noses and cut faces. I just called the police because the driver was drunk. But on one journey over new year I passed six or seven cars rolled over in heavy snow on country lanes and I couldn?t give a monkeys. Drive like an idiot in the snow and take what?s coming to you.

It probably depends on circumstance but in snow, with my children in the car I wouldn?t stop to help anyone, another time maybe if it looked serious and I had nothing better to do, I might...
Would any of you help? - daveyjp
Only once have I come across a car that had crashed. Came round a right hander (the combination of left and right hand bends on this slip road does encourage you to press on - I nearly lost my Focus on the same bend - 55mph for the lefthander is the limit!). The car had negotiated the left, but had lost it on the right, mounted the kerb and hit a tree. It looked like it had only just happened as when I stopped two guys got out shaken but unscathed - the driver admitted he may have taken the bend a little too quickly! I left them to sort the mess out themselves.
Would any of you help? - Snakey
A good few years back I came across a car that had obviously just crashed on the opposite side of the road. I stopped to see if they were OK, and the female passenger got out and ran away. The male driver, who looked fairly stunned and had a few cuts took a few seconds to come round, then he also ran away!

Turned out later the car was stolen and the driver well over the limit.

What annoyed me most is that I was requested to make a statement at the local plod shop, where I was kept in a stinking interview room for 2 hours. Perhaps I should have reminded plod I was simply a passer by who stopped to help. Never again.

I would still stop to check people were OK though - thats what I would hope people would do for me!
Would any of you help? - AngryJonny
Only time it happened to me I stopped and asked a woman who had slid off the A55 in snow if she needed any help. She said no, she had a tow-truck on the way, so I left. I felt a bit odd because I'm sure the last thing a lone woman wants at midnight is a random bloke stopping, but I had to ask.

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Would any of you help? - Happy Blue!
A Honda crashed opposite our house several years ago. We live on a main road and it was a lovely summer weekend afternoon. Several neighbours and myself went across the road to see if the occupants were OK. Four ethnic lads got out of the car a little shaken. One went to the boot, openined it and got out a video recorder; then they all just seemed to wander off....

The car had clearly previously been a cut'n'shut repair, judging from the way it broke up on impact, but it had been stolen, as had the video recorder we assumed.
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Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
Would any of you help? - Olf
My Dad resued a woman from a burning car int eh early 70's. She had gone down a motorway embankment hit a tree at the bottom and started to burn.

He saw her go off, stopped on the hard shoulder, pulled her out and retired to a safe distance.

She then asked him to go back for her handbag which was on the passenger seat. He left the scene.
Would any of you help? - Adam {P}
>>. But on one journey over new year I passed six or seven cars rolled over in heavy snow on country lanes and I couldn’t give a monkeys.<<

Did you get the 406 recovered alright Dave after that nasty accident on your way to Gdansk last week?

Never seen snow like it myself.
Would any of you help? - Duchess
Crashed car with visible occupants? Yes, I hope I would.

A work colleague is still haunted by the fact that he twice drove past a submerged vehicle during the night in which the four occupants drowned. Probably nothing he could have done but still plenty of "what if?" moments.

Would any of you help? - Thommo
I would call the emergency services but I would not under any circumstances stop.

You just don't know what your stepping into these days.

Double this for any woman on her own. You can be accused of anything and prosecuted on her word alone. Common sense left the justice system years ago. Sorry but its just not worth the risk.
Would any of you help? - Vansboy
Always stop, if I see anything - regrettably quite often, when I was out at auctions, everyday.

Had the advantage of the Maestro van, being pretty visible, with the lightbar, on the roof, so this helped make things a bit safer,to stop, back then.

But most recent, was early evening, a few weeks back & a guy trying to make everyone aware of the car in the ditch, on a blind bend - putting himself more at risk - no dayglo jacket/torch, just himself, behaving as if he may be a drunk, in the road (he wasn't).

But his friend was still sitting (not trapped) in the car. So it makes sense, to confirm, that the vehicle IS, in fact unoccupied or anyone else involved, is OK, regardless of the actions, or comments, of others involved.



VB
Would any of you help? - Martin Devon
Slightly diff I suppose, but Fiesta on its head last thursday just around the corner from me. Fast (ish) sweeping bends with a dodgy manhole cover or two. Plod and fire in attendance and ambulance obviously just left. Now you had a job to see to get through the road cos of the massive amount of blue lights and two plod just standing gassing away, no high viz jackets and no directional help. Two plonkers if you ask me and I knew one of them. A retained fireman friend tells me that Plod has no requirement to wear high viz. Can this be true? P.S. I don't hate plod. My Dad was one for 28 years and he was a good chap. Well, that's what me mam said.

Phew!.....Best regards............MD.
Would any of you help? - lordy
coming back from a night call a few years ago near Llanwrst, i came across a car broken down in the road, no lights on, young occupants wandering around aimlessly not knowing what to do. I stopped mainly to tell them to push the car off the road as it is a notorious accident spot. They seemed a little high, so when they showed signs of getting the car out the way, i left. I would like to think I would stop and help at an accident, but not at the cost of the safety of those with me (e.g children).
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let me be the last to let you down....
Would any of you help? - TonyE
Years ago, when my brother was about 9, he and his mate found a guy stuck in his car. The car had left the road, was on its roof and he was trapped upside down. The car had gone down a dip into a wooded area and couldn't be seen from the road. They raced back to our farm to raise the alarm. The guy got pulled from his car and survived. What amazed me was that he didn't think to look up the kids, who saved his life, to thank them. My brother had nightmares about it for quite a while after because the driver looked such a mess.

Would any of you help? - Tim Allcott
I wonder how the French ended up with the law where it is a legal duty to offer assistance? I'm surprised at the number of people who are saying they wouldn't stop. Yup, I recognise the risk factors involved, but if you'd just ended up in a ditch...?
Tim{P}
Would any of you help? - Lud
Some years ago I was hurrying to see an aunt and uncle of my ex-wife at their retirement farmhouse in Wales. A couple of miles short of the place I came suddenly on a Hillman Imp, stopped in the carriageway on a hairpin, with an elderly woman at the wheel. I drove round it and continued cursing on my way. Arriving at the farm I found the place in some chaos and deserted. Wandering around there I could not suppress feelings of slight guilt at having failed to stop and help the Imp lady, and was tortured by an impression that there had been somthing familiar about her. Soon a van from the local garage arrived with my hostess as passenger. She was suffering from Alzheimer's, but recognized me. Her husband, thinking I was arriving by train, had gone to meet me and she had seized the opportunity for a drive. The garage man gave us a can of petrol and I drove her back to her Imp on the hairpin where it had run out of fuel, then followed her back to the farm.

I still blush to recall my thuggish indifference on that occasion, and hope I would not be so callous now despite all that is said to make us fear contact with anyone in lonely places.
Would any of you help? - NowWheels
She then asked him to go back for her handbag which
was on the passenger seat. He left the scene.


Olf, I would hope that in that situation I wouldn't be so stupid. But in a dazed and shocked state after the crash, I wouldn want my handbag and I wouldn't rely on being able to think straight, and can see that I might not realise that it was dangerous to return to a burning car.

I can see why your Dad was offended, but if I was the rescuer I hope I would not allow a misunderstanding like that to persuade me to abandon the scene.
Would any of you help? - henry k
I have only been in three such situations.
1. I watched a biker ride into a red light jumping van. Lots of others around Because I knew of a nearby phone I drove off to call for services.
2. I saw a van on its side down an embankment in Holland.
We stopped and found the driver still onboard. Flagged down others to get help.
3. M40 late at night. I thought I saw a body in the grass at the bottom of a slip road. I back tracked from the next junction, went down the slip road and a hitch hiker jumped up. I did not stop, mumbled a few choice words but slept OK.

If you can drive by and sleep OK then it is your choice.
The risks when stopping have to be thought out.
It is sad world, in the old sense.
Would any of you help? - cockle {P}
People not stopping is nothing new, I always stop if I think no one else has but this is due to my own experience about 30 years ago which I wouldn't want anyone else to experience.
Back in those days I was a biker and had the misfortune to end up in some unlit roadworks on an unlit country road on a November evening about 9:30pm. Resulted in me lying in the middle of the road with a mangled leg pinned under my bike. No less than six people drove round me lying in the road and didn't even bother to stop at a phone box just down the road to call for help.
After about 20 minutes I managed to get up and stood in the middle of the road to force a driver to stop, he gave me first aid and got the car behind to call for help, an ambulance was called and I was whisked off to hospital. Very painful experience for me and I was very grateful to the guy who stopped but I was very bitter about the others who ignored me, an extra 20 minutes pain from a mangled leg was no laughing matter apart from the ambulance crew reckoning that I wouldn't have lasted another 10 minutes.
Since then I have always stopped and on quite a few occasions have been able to protect accident sites, due to driving a sizeable vehicle with ARB's on it, until the proper services have been able to arrive.
Have never expected any thanks, would just want someone to do the same for me, which I don't think is too much to ask.
Would any of you help? - Aretas
My daughter ran off the road and hit a tree. First people on the scene were two Royal Navy incident officers. Thank you fellas.
Would any of you help? - hillman
You have to be very careful who you stop for. The presence of young women these days is no guarantee of peaceful intent.

One day I stopped for a young man, with a beaten up old VW Golf, holding up a set of jump leads. This was on a normally lonely stretch of road, but for some reason on that day it was very busy. I stopped and gave him a boost charge from my engine. He seemed very interested in my car, which was quite new. Wanting to know how powerful it was etc. My wife noticed that he seemed to be communicating with another young man in a smart BMW who drove by at least four times. She took out the crook bar (big yellow thing) and stood by the car swinging it as though she was practicing golf. She then managed to impress on me the need to leave.

Near to Wilmslow a couple of years ago a car with two young men crashed into another car, leaving two women trapped, and then ran off. They stole another car and drove by laughing at the women. If you stopped to help those men, what would have happened?
Would any of you help? - Quinny100
Couple of years back I stopped when I saw a car crashed into the railings of a crossing island. The first thing I remember seeing was the imprint of the drivers head in the broken windscreen and rather a lot of blood. I called for an ambulance and tried to make sure the single male occupant, late 40's early 50's was alright. I struggled to open the door.

He was almost unconsious when I arrived, but soon started to come to and then proceeded to accuse me of driving into him, gave me a barrage of verbal abuse and threated to kill me. It became apparent he was under the influence of alcohol, drugs or both and fortunately the Police arrived right on cue or I'm not sure what I would have done as I'm pretty sure he'd have attacked me given the chance.

Fortunately I'm not the type of person who would let such an occurance get to me. I was more concerned about the insurance implications of somebody claiming I had caused an accident more than anything else at the time. I would certainly be hesistant to stop again, and I certainly wouldn't reccomend other people did.
Would any of you help? - deepwith
Couple of years ago when there was a storm I came across an upturned car resting on its front window at about 5.30 am - stopped, put on hazards and bright jacket and went to car. Driver wriggling out of window with blood streaming down his face. I had no signal on mobile and his was in car. Tried to flag down transit full of workmen among other vehicles to get help - none stopped for a while leaving me to help driver and stop people running into car on road. Hope someone will stop for them one day .

Re stopping for motorcycles. Dad did and got help plus administering first aid. Chatted to biker who said he had been there for a while with no help. Next thing he gets is a visit from the police as the biker had reported he had knocked him over! Fortunately his car did not have any damage and did not match paint on bike - especially as his job would have been compromised. Made him very wary of stopping for the rest of his driving life.
Would any of you help? - Cliff Pope
All the scenes I have ever stopped at have been:
1) girl in Triumph Roadster just like mine. She had already got her tool kit out and was sorting out the broken fan blade that gone through the radiator.

2)complete nutcase. I drove off hastily

3) someone else already there, who had phoned for help, and was doing the first aid thing with blankets etc. I felt completely useless and surperfluous and just like a gawping bystander, so I left.

But each time I decide there is no need to stop, because there are clearly other people already doing something, I image hearing a police report "A white Volvo was seen leaving the scene just after the crash. We wish to trace ...."
Would any of you help? - Altea Ego
As you all know I wrote off the Goona in spectacular circumsatnces in November. No less than 5 cars stopped and the occupants rushed around doing what they could. I wisely stayed strapped in the car till the ambulance came, a woman spent 15 minutes talking to me and letting me know what was going on.

Will I stop? Always have done in the past and always will. We all have a duty to assist our fellow motorist in situation like that. I have no sleepless nights wondering if I should have done more.

At the very least you can

Stop,
Assess the situation from a safe distance.

Given that you can assist or phone for help/report or both.


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Would any of you help? - Chris S
He was almost unconsious when I arrived, but soon started to
come to and then proceeded to accuse me of driving into
him, gave me a barrage of verbal abuse and threated to
kill me. It became apparent he was under the influence
of alcohol, drugs or both and fortunately the Police arrived right
on cue or I'm not sure what I would have done
as I'm pretty sure he'd have attacked me given the chance.

Possibly - but people with head injuries are often violent due to cerebral irritation. Just another thing to beware of.
Would any of you help? - oRb
I'd stop, I have done before to offer what help I could. But at the back of my mind now would be the possibility that it was simply some journalists (with or without police guidance) testing the public's actions.

R
Would any of you help? - turbo11
I have come across,a number of crashed cars, mostly on rural roads.Every time i have stopped to see if anyone was in the vehicle, it has fortunately been empty.Other than ring the emergency services,in the avent of a serious crash there is little untrained people like myself can do.Trying to drag an injured person out of a car may do more harm than good, a little knowledge can be dangerous.
Would any of you help? - henry k
I have come across,a number of crashed cars, mostly on rural roads.

>>Every time i have stopped to see if anyone was in the vehicle, it has fortunately been empty.

Perhaps a notice with "All OK" stuck on the side might help, similar to the Police/Council aware signs.
Would any of you help? - bedfordrl
I remember years ago coming up the steep winding hill towards home a chap had gone around the corner too fast and had slid under a subaru, the police must of got there quick as i was the first person they stopped.
I can still hear his screams as they echoed around the Hangers.
The next corner on is where i came a cropper later.
It was Autumn and there were leaves every where.
The hairpin was being worked on on the downhill side and vehicles coming downhill were suddenly forced across the road.
One nutter just came straight at me forcing me onto the leaves and the bike went straight over and trapped my leg.
I felt such a prat, i was not hurt i just could not lift the bike off.
Well he just drove off as did the next four cars,they had to drive around me but did not stop, the fifth vehicle was a Team Honda Racing van and the smashing chaps stopped the traffic and pulled the bike off me.
Would any of you help? - helicopter
I would always stop.

I think in these days of mobile phones , emergency assistance can be summoned so much more quickly even if you are not able to assist with first aid you can offer comfort. Sadly we appear to be developing into a nation of cynical passers by.

Like bedfordrl I was involved in a motorbike accident when both SWMBO and I were trapped by legs and on that occasion three cars stopped to assist before the police arrived.
Would any of you help? - stevied
I would always stop.. if you are worried about scaring someone, or you feel threatened yourself, you can always roll your window down and assess the situation. Street savvy works 9 times out of 10. I did read a couple of years back that a couple pretending to have broken down ambushed someone near to where I live, but that still wouldn't stop me. Not that I am a wonderful person, you understand, just do unto others and all that.
Would any of you help? - P.Mason {P}
I'd like to think that I would always stop and help a crashed or stranded motorist, but as backroomers have commented, nowadays you have to assess the risk of false accusations of assault, especially where female drivers are concerned - a sad reflection on society.
I've twice stopped at car fires, both times managing to put the fire out with my extinguisher before it had spread beyond the engine area. In both cases the occupants didn't thank me, let alone offer to replace the extinguisher.(Of course, they may have set fire to the car themselves to claim on insurance!)
In the same circumstances, I'd probably stop and help next time it happens, as you'd always think 'what if?'if you just drove on by.
P.
Would any of you help? - Vansboy
I discharged my extinguisher, in atempt to prevent a van load of bus drivers uniforms catching alight, when I passed a stranded, engine smoking, hire van on the hard shoulder.

The amount of smoke it created, by doing this, may have been more of a hazzard,to other motorists, than the flames which soon englfed the cab.

I wrote to Kennigs/Sixt, asking for their insurers to pay me the cost of a replacement - they did so, after only a couple of phone calls.

Guess it would have been more appropriate, for them to have offered it, without asking. I would now think again before undertaking a similar operation, due to the aforementioned smoke problem.

VB
Would any of you help? - Navara Van man
i have helped out in afew similar situations. Once a lory broken down on a steep hill causeing trafic chaos, pulled clear with my then landrover defender and tow chain.

Secondly came across an overturned car with trapped ocupants, phoned emergency services and blocked the road with the van and the halogen beacons going. Did not want to exacebate any spinal conditions by atemting to rescue the trapped drivers so waited about 20 mins for the firebrigade to cut them out.

Paul
Would any of you help? - PhilDS
A few years ago I was following a car over the Pennines between Holmfirth and Oldham. I know the road quite well and started to slow down for a bend. The car in front didn't and it landed on its roof on the opposite side of the road. I stopped, put my hazards, full beam and fog lights on as visibility was low. The occupants were ok but in obvious shock.
I then called the emergency services on my mobile. The signal was weak and so it took a number of attempts to get through. Once on the line to the Ambulance service, I gave them all the details including the location. All was well until they asked me the name of the road I was on. All I knew was that it was the A635. They said, Sorry, we can't send anyone out until we know the name of the road.
I tried my best to describe where I was but as they were in Liverpool and I was in Oldham (40 miles apart they couldn't help. I managed to convince them to transfer my call to at least the right county and finally they worked it out.
It then took a further 25 minutes for the ambulance to arrive. In the mean time the following people stopped:

1 nurse who was on her way home. She checked everyone to make sure they were ok.
1 other driver who tried to help where he could.
5 police cars one of which had u/s blue lights and actually blocked the road nearly causing another accident.

Would any of you help? - turbo11
on a slightly different note.A close friend of mine who is a paramedic told me "you would be amazed at the number of drivers involved in crashes who claim to have neck injuries,but when i tell them that the fire brigade will remove their cars roof to get them out,they miraculously recover"!
Would any of you help? - Clanger
Despite travelling all over the country between 1975 and 2002, I have yet to be first on the scene at an accident. Just as well; although I am qualified to rescue a swimmer in difficulties, I consider myself ill equipped mentally and physically to be dragging bodies out of burning cars and generally acting the hero.
Years ago, I came across a woman in a Renault 5 with a puncture one evening. She was on the B road between Beckwithshaw and Pool in Wharfedale. As I slowed to a halt behind her, she stopped looking at the flat front tyre and quickly got back in the car. As I asked her if she needed help through the closed window, she wrote "go away please" on her road atlas in the bit of the North Sea off Bridlington and held it up to the window. I obliged.
Once on the M1 near Leeds, I flagged down a newish Vauxhall Carlton with a flat and smoking rear tyre. The driver was clearly intoxicated so I pointed out the damage and left him to it. As I accelerated off the hard shoulder, I saw his car follow me on to the carriageway. I debated with myself as to whether I should report him but I had no record of the registration so I didn't.
Hawkeye
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Stranger in a strange land
Would any of you help? - r.fensome
Some years ago, late at night, on a unlit, country backroad I crashed my motorbike, My bike lay half on the path half on the road with me the same next to it thinking "what happened" when one car passed me and carried on, the next stopped, had a look, and drove off, and the third one stopped. Things like that don't half make you proud to be human, I could have been bleeding to death for all the first two knew, or cared.
Would any of you help? - tilda99
20+ years ago, late on a Sunday night, a friend and I were travelling on the A303 on Salisbury Plain. A car had T-boned the back of a flat- bed lorry and we were first on the scene. My friend did traffic control, and I did first aid on the driver who had an obviously broken arm and a hole in his cheek.
We must have appeared in control, as no one else stopped! Being Salisbury Plain and a clear night, we could see the blue lights of the ambulance for 10 mins before it arrived. A very long time as the casualty was going into serious shock. We were congratulated by the Ambulance crew - but we left before the police came as we wanted to get where we we going before the bar shut! We were both young Army officers - more realistic than any exercise!
Would any of you help? - L'escargot
About 35 years ago I stopped at a crash scene and saw a driver with the steering column stuck in his chest. I threw up. Callous as it may sound, I'm not sure I would want to risk that sort of experience again. I would be happy to ring 999 on my mobile, but I wouldn't look inside any of the vehicles involved.
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L\'escargot.
Would any of you help? - Sofa Spud
The only two serious accidents I have witnessed (touch wood) were uncannily similar - passing cyclists falling off their bikes just as I was leaving a house via the front door. Both were in the same road in the early 70's. In each case no other vehicle was involved. In one accident the cyclist received a fractured skull and died a few days later, in the other they recovered from nasty but superficial facial injuries.

Would any of you help? - andymc {P}
I think I once posted on here about a near miss I had a few years ago, when someone came round a tight bend way too fast. I had already slowed right down to get around safely, so as soon as I saw through a gate on the other side, that the other car was approaching the bend at a rate of knots, I stopped with about 40 yards to go.
It mounted the bank, came back down onto the road and careered along on two wheels for a moment before landing upright again - heading straight for me. I slammed into reverse and got back a few feet, enough for him to miss me by an inch or two - I really could see the whites of his eyes! He crashed through the hedge and flew at least thirty feet (no word of a lie) before hitting the ground and sliding to a stop.
In spite of the fact that he nearly killed me, when I got out it was to see if he was okay. Once I saw that he hadn't a scratch, I left. Funny thing is, if I had heard this story from someone else I'd probably be commenting along the lines of how tempted I would be to commit violence on the guy, but to be honest I was just glad to be alive.
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Vroom, vroom - mmm, doughnuts ...
Would any of you help? - Hugo {P}
Recently just around the corner from my house a chap working for a plant hire company managed to overturn a mini digger whilst loading it onto a flat bed. He had received a cut to the head but was more concerned about cleaing up the mess and getting back to the depot.

Between us we managed to get the mini digger safely onto the flatbed. He strapped it down and went on his way.

I took the number of the hire company and asked that his boss made him go to see a doctor as soon as he got back.