12. -- Adam
12 what? You mean 12 sat behind or 12 undertook?
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12 undertook you.
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I think the amount is irrelevent.It often happens whether car or bike.Personally I think both car drivers and bikers are as bad as each other,I am one that sticks to the speed limit,I dont have a problem with that.But a lot of drivers want to get from A to B as fast as possible regardless of speed limits cars or bikes.If a proper census was done without prosecuting anyone that did break the law.I suspect it would say car drivers as bad as bikers,now that would be interesting
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I think the amount is irrelevent.It often happens whether car or bike.Personally I think both car drivers and bikers are as bad as each other,I am one that sticks to the speed limit,I dont have a problem with that.But a lot of drivers want to get from A to B as fast as possible regardless of speed limits cars or bikes.If a proper census was done without prosecuting anyone that did break the law.I suspect it would say car drivers as bad as bikers,now that would be interesting -- Steve
That is absolute music to my ears. I wish more than 1% of car drivers could see it that way.
As it happens, not one single car sat behind me, most were doing around the 70-80 mark and just zoomed past me on the inside without so much as a glance. I'm considering doing it again with a camera attached to my bike to catch reg numbers to report them to the police. Would I be wrong to do that? I know it's hypocritical of me, but hey, if I'm going to be tarred with the "stupid suicidal biker" brush whatever I do, whether I am careful or not, fast or slow, I might as well make the most of it.
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Bikes are so narrow and zippy, who cares if they undertake?
People should look in their mirrors and move over for them.
They remind me of the cleaner fish you get in the sea that eat parasites off big fish and then swim away.
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Bikes are so narrow and zippy, who cares if they undertake? People should look in their mirrors and move over for them. They remind me of the cleaner fish you get in the sea that eat parasites off big fish and then swim away.
Car drivers are jealous full stop. Regardless of whether they admit it or not, it's true.
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Car drivers are jealous full stop. Regardless of whether they admit it or not, it's true.
What nonsense! I've no desire for a bike but I always pull over or make room for a bike or a car for that matter. If they're riding safely (even if that's over the limit), good luck to them. If they're riding like fools then it's their funeral (and hopefully not someone else's). I get really tired of this biker vs car drivel. 'Cagers', 'organ donors', 'brotherhood of bikers'. All nonsense in my eyes. Just get on with life and enjoy whatever you drive/ride and respect other's choices.
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
Outside lane hogger : Driving without reasonable consideration for other road users.
Undertaker: Dangerous driving if done at speed. Higfh Court have said so.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. Outside lane hogger : Driving without reasonable consideration for other road users. Undertaker: Dangerous driving if done at speed. Higfh Court have said so. DVD
But how am I hogging the outside lane if I am going exactly on the speed limit. Nobody should be overtaking me.
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Try reading Rule 164 Highway Code Daz
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Try reading Rule 164 Highway Code Daz DVD
164: Mini-roundabouts Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Beware of vehicles making U-turns.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD reg 10(1), 16(1)
Are you sure you have the right number, that doesn't seem too relevant.
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Enough with the personal insults. DD
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Daz, the best solution to this is...stop caring about how car drivers view you.
If you can go to sleep at night knowing you haven't caused undue stress to car drivers, then hang them and their labels. You will never make everyone happy, even if you sold the bike and bought a car, someone, somewhere would be unhappy with your choice of car and think up an unsavory label for you.
Just get on with life.
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Daz, the best solution to this is...stop caring about how car drivers view you. If you can go to sleep at night knowing you haven't caused undue stress to car drivers, then hang them and their labels. You will never make everyone happy, even if you sold the bike and bought a car, someone, somewhere would be unhappy with your choice of car and think up an unsavory label for you. Just get on with life.
I just hate the feeling of persecution just because of my choice of vehicle. If I sat down in a ford fiesta you wouldn't think anything of me. But because I ride a sportsbike you think I am some immature kid with an IQ similar to my shoe size.
Showering me with schoolboy insults like the child who posted just before you is a perfect example of this. This is what I live with on a daily basis and I am sick of it. You tell me to "get on with life", well I would love to, when car drivers stop pretending to be police and stop telling me how to drive. But that will never happen so I'm living in a dreamland, clearly.
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This is an unjust world we live in and if you are only persecuted because your choice of vehicle then count yourself as one of the very lucky ones in it.
It isn't the sportsbike why people might think of you as a kid, its your reaction to the everyday occurences in life and your apparent inability to deal with it, that comes across as immature
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Sounds more like paranoia than persecution.
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>>I just hate the feeling of persecution just because of my choice of vehicle.
I think its more likely connected to the fact that you're somewhat of a plonker.
You admit to and are proud of driving dangerously. Car drivers break laws, so they are not in a position to tell you to drive more safely - and so many other silly points of view.
You need to grow up.
In fact, you could also have a go at understanding that as far as most bikers are concerned, you are the problem. Its you giving them the reputaton they're fighting against.
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I'm considering doing it again with a camera attached to my bike >> to catch reg numbers to report them to the police. Would I be wrong to do that?
Don't expect the boys in blue to bow and scrape with gratitude when you turn up with your pictures/video. They hate that. They don't like it when tasked by their own supervisors. They like it less when Mr Indignant comes into the front office brandishing the evidence of the commission of a pet hate.
Just do what you need to do on the road and let others do what they want to do and keep yourself safe, out of harms way. Do not get involved in filming people, don't aggravate. As long as you know someone is undertaking, or about to....just let them get on with it.
If someone can get stabbed to death over a chip throwing incident on a London Bus, just think how violent people get when their driving skills are called into question by another motorist.
It is hard, I know. But self preservation over-rules anything else.
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Can't say that I agree with the experiment Daz, after all the cars undertaking your bike were using a free lane and you were travelling at 20mph under the limit, many bikes will undertake between two lanes of traffic often when the fast lane is already doing 80 +. Don't get me wrong, I am a biker though I know I am taking my life and my license into my own hand if I undertake, firstly because other road users do not expect to be undertaken and can move across in front of a bike (or car etc) that is undertaking them and secondly because in this country it is, like it or lump it, illegal.
If a car comes up behind me as if to push me off the road when I am on the ZXR1100 I just open it up and what ever gear I am in I can put on 20mph faster than they can what ever car they are driving, I then pull over and let them on their merry way. Can do the same in the Mondeo, if a member of the Saxo brigade comes barreling up behind a dab of the accelerator of any modern torquey TD will pull a few car lengths before the guy has dipped the clutch to find third gear and some acceleration, again pulling over after a short distance to hear the change from third to fourth at 6500rpm as he whizzes past.
Looking back I guess we have all done it.
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you were travelling at 20mph under the limit
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Sorry, OK it was a 50 limit, still I assume the inside lane was clear.
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www.highwaycode.gov.uk/15.htm
Rule 139 says you can overtake on the left if your queue is moving faster than the one on the right.
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You deliberately sat in the outside lane when the inside lane was clear?
Ridiculous, sorry there is no other word to describe it. You are not a police officer, it is of no concern to you how fast anyone else travels. If the inside lane is clear and you are not overtaking, KEEP LEFT.
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www.highwaycode.gov.uk/15.htm Rule 139 says you can overtake on the left if your queue is moving faster than the one on the right.
This does not justify undertaking a lane hog at normal road speeds.
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I have been subjected to undertaking at high speeds. I don't lane hog but it has happened when I've been in the outside lane maybe 120 yards or so from overtaking a slower inside lane vehicle.
You see the "undertaker" in your mirrors approaching at 100 mph. You know they will not be prepared to allow you to complete your overtaking, they dive inside and then swerve into your lane leaving little space between you and your overtaking target. They then speed on and repeat the felony until they race out of sight.
There is no justification for this behaviour. It is dangerous!!!
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Which is exactly what I did on Sunday. Outside lane of A64 full of cars - inside lane empty. Me and two other cars passed 19 cars before catching the next car in the inside lane.
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I undertake all the time now. Used to think it was dangerous, but the middle lane owners club never look like moving over, so I feel relatively safe.
Agree with HJs point "if I'm being undertaken, I'm in the wrong lane".
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Queue as in slow speeds, I think that would be. I can't seriously believe you believe that it applies at M-Way speeds given that undertaking is illegal ;-)
Rules also state keep left unless overtaking, and that means overtaking :-)
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