Peugeot 306 diesel pulley failure

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Thu 14 Apr 2005 16:45
Peugeot 306 diesel pulley failure - Simon (Anne\'s Other Half)
Does this constitute a design failiure?

I've just taken the 306HDi for a timing belt and pully change. At 62,000 miles my local garage said I was being a bit premature, but was happy as I was paying.

Had a phone call to say the timing damper (big metal pulley-like disc, 6" in diameter) was damaged and needed replacing. It had been wobbling, fouling on one of the pulleys and big patches of freshly ground deep metal gouges were evident when I was shown the removed bits. My garage is very honest and open with me and said he has never come across the need to replace them, unless they are damaged in removal.

He suggested a design failiure, as the local Pug dealer had 5 on back order.

In the end I was only charged 350 quid for the belt, damper and pulleys to be swapped. And an apology about saying the job was being done prematurely!

Any comments?
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Thu 14 Apr 2005 16:58
Design Failiure? - mfarrow
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=15983

Might not be your problem but sounds like more than a coincidence.
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Thu 14 Apr 2005 16:59
Design Failiure? - madf
well known failure with that engine.
French bonding of metal to steel is not very good...

madf


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Thu 14 Apr 2005 17:00
Design Failiure? - madf
correction: rubber to steel!

madf


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Thu 14 Apr 2005 17:04
Design Failiure? - SjB {P}
Indeed, common and well known.

I also have an excellent relationship with a very honest and open garage - in my case a Pug Indy - and overheard them describing prevention of exactly this failure to another customer on a visit some months ago.
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Thu 14 Apr 2005 17:06
Design Failiure? - SjB {P}
BTW - I forsee this post taking a trip to the Technical Forum as soon as spotted by a mod, so don't worry when it 'disappears' from discussion!

I also forsee the subject changing to something like "Peugeot 306 diesel pulley failure"
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Thu 14 Apr 2005 20:10
Design Failiure? - Simon (Anne\'s Other Half)
Thanks for the reassurance everyone.

The picture in the link is very similar to what my old pulley looked like. Mine did not have a shard, but had a couple of BIG gouges about 1/4 inch deep.

Unfortunately the vibration in the steering wheel/dashboard that starts at motorway speed is not cured. Grrr!!
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Thu 14 Apr 2005 20:22
Design Failiure? - Dynamic Dave
BTW - I forsee this post taking a trip to the Technical Forum I also forsee the
subject changing to something like "Peugeot 306 diesel pulley failure"


As if!! ;o)
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Thu 14 Apr 2005 23:38
Design Failiure? - SjB {P}
;-)
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Thu 14 Apr 2005 20:22
Design Failiure? - No Do$h
BTW - I forsee this post taking a trip to the
Technical Forum as soon as spotted by a mod, so don't
worry when it 'disappears' from discussion!
I also forsee the subject changing to something like "Peugeot 306
diesel pulley failure"


;o)
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Thu 14 Apr 2005 20:24
Design Failiure? - Dynamic Dave
Too slow. Try harder.
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Thu 14 Apr 2005 22:41
Design Failiure? - Bromptonaut
HAd same issue with my Hdi Xantia. Unfortunately Cit garage declined my offer to pay to fit a new one when I had the belt changed "no record of them giving trouble sir". Pulley failed 6k miles later.

Collect car tomorrow after repair for which dealer has met most of cost.
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Fri 15 Apr 2005 12:23
Design Failiure? - Simon (Anne\'s Other Half)
> "no record of them giving trouble sir". Pulley failed 6k miles later.

Surely Pug/Cit dealers know there is a problem?
If it keeps happening and they keep fixing them/paying out for fixing them why do they not redesign them?
The HDi engine is still in service and therefore it makes sense!
Doesn't it? Or am I missing something?
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Fri 15 Apr 2005 12:41
Design Failiure? - RichardW
Needs changing every 50,000 miles, costs nearly £150 from the dealer, good chance if not changed it will rip the cambelt off and require a top end rebuild.

No, no reasons to change the design, but plenty not to!

(Cynic, who, me??)


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RichardW

Is it illogical? It must be Citroen....
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