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Replacement for Britain's worst car! - Daisy
Hi I am finally deciding to scrap my horrible Seat Marbella after it failed it's MOT. I could afford the money to get it sorted but frankly I am fed up of driving the awful thing!
I am looking for a recommendation of a sub £800 car to replace it. Because I only started driving a couple of years ago I have used small cars for cheaper insurance. Now I am a bit cheaper to insure I was looking for something larger and more suitable for my hobbies like fishing and taking my racing bike out to meet friends for bike rides.
Also I am fed up of paying over the odds for small cars (for example 'N' reg Fiestas always seem to be about £500 more expensive than an 'N' reg Mondeo.
Money is an issue still so I am looking for something that wont be horrendous to keep running.
Any ideas?
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - machika
Xantia 1.9 TD early versions. It has what was, at the time, probably the best diesel engine fitted to this class of car. Make sure the spheres are ok and, of course, that it has a full service history. There shouldn't be any signs of rust either. You will find lots of people warning you off Citroens in this forum, however, a well maintained Xantia with that engine is a good starting point. Cars of that age are likely to have a lot of miles under the belt, but that engine is capable of very big mileages.

You could have ours but it is too good to part with for a few hundred pounds, which is all that it is worth I would imagine.
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - Nsar
Toyota
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - teabelly
The boot on the xantia is a bit on the small size though. If I had £800 to spend then I'd either get a mondeo or a vauxhall cavalier. Both of those have huge boots and are cheap to look after. Xantias are expensive (my dad had one and it was a money pit) when they go wrong.
teabelly
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - machika
The boot on the xantia is a bit on the small
size though. If I had £800 to spend then I'd either
get a mondeo or a vauxhall cavalier. Both of those have
huge boots and are cheap to look after. Xantias are expensive
(my dad had one and it was a money pit) when
they go wrong.
teabelly


I wondered how quickly someone would come on and say steer clear of a Xantia. It was also obvious that a Mondeo or Cavalier would be mentioned as better choices. I have no real argument against a Mondeo (although I have seen plenty that haven't aged as well as our Xantia), but the Cavalier was much inferior to the Xantia. In addition, none of the diesels fitted to those cars was anywhere near as good as the XUD. Our Xantia has been as cheap to maintain as any car could be. It is imperative to find someone who knows how to service them properly though (not that there is much that is out of the ordinary).

As far as the boot size is concerned, well it isn't huge I know, but it is perfectly adequate and the seats can always be folded down for more space.
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - PhilW
And of course, machika, there is the Xantia estate! I'd be interested to see the figures that said the Mondeo and Cavalier had significantly bigger boots than the Xantia
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - somebody
Mk3 Cavalier. If you can insure it go for the 2.0 versions.
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - Alfafan {P}
No particular quarrels with any of the recommendations so far, but wouldn't an estate or hatch be more suitable if you're going to carry a racing bike?
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - Stuartli
You could always fit a bike carrier on the rear if you find a suitable car at the right price.
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Replacement for Britain's worst car! - carl_a
How about something different, a Hyundai Lantra estate because they lose so much money you can pick up a newer car than you could from any other brand.
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - Big Cat
What about the ZX. Can get an early one with the same 1.9 TD as the Xantia but there are no hydraulics. On a cheap car you want things as simple as possible to reduce potential bills.

If you go for a Xantia check the LHM fluid is a nice green/yellow colour - indicates good servicing. Also there is a fifth sphere to check as well, it's the accumulator sphere. If this is weak it causes the pump to run harder, noticable by a more regular clicking of the pump to remain pressure.

Generally with any old car, it's hard to say car 'a' is going to be better than car 'b'. Depends on how the previous owner(s) have looked after it.
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - NowWheels
What about the ZX. Can get an early one with the
same 1.9 TD as the Xantia but there are no hydraulics.
On a cheap car you want things as simple as possible
to reduce potential bills.


The ZX is a good idea: a friend who bought a cheap one last year, and it's a good 'un. However, if you want simplicity, why not consider a non-turbo diesel: not so fast, but less to go wrong.
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - machika
>> What about the ZX. Can get an early one with
the
>> same 1.9 TD as the Xantia but there are no
hydraulics.
>> On a cheap car you want things as simple as
possible
>> to reduce potential bills.
The ZX is a good idea: a friend who bought a
cheap one last year, and it's a good 'un. However, if
you want simplicity, why not consider a non-turbo diesel: not so
fast, but less to go wrong.


Would agree about a ZX, however, it is a much nicer car with the TD engine, which is very reliable if looked after. There are lots about too. Not such good build quality as a Xantia though.
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - Sprice
I would say a Toyota Corolla, you should be able to pick up a decent early 90's one for £800
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - PR {P}
Why not click on the link on the left side of this screen on the Autotrader ad, type in £800 as max and see what you can get.
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - Hugo {P}
For your hobbies you may prefer an estate or hatch.....

Early Nissan Almera
Xantia, but don't go and buy a diesel 'at any cost' they did petrol as well and these go for peanuts!
Series 3 Land Rover - serious!
Montego estate - not so serious but if you find a good one..
Maestro - OK let's get serious for a min!
If you can stretch the budget a little you may get an early disco off e bay.
Renault Savanna Estate (21 diesel poss)
Peugeot 405 diesel or TD
Fiat.... No don't!
VW Passat estate


etc

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Replacement for Britain's worst car! - JohnPug
I recommend a Peugeot 306, petrol or diesel. You should be able to get a nice Phase 1(93-96) for that sort of money. They also have low insurance groups for their size.
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - DavidHM
A 306 with the 1.9 turbocharged XUD engine would just about come into budget. Hard to believe but I actually know someone who's selling one for £800 (92k and very straight, original condition although I don't know the minutiae).

I really can't imagine a better all round car for the money, although obviously if you need more space, etc. then perhaps an estate would be more suitable.

Despite the reasonable performance, insurance is cheap, too.
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - DavidHM
PS - 92k is the mileage, not the age. The car's a 94L.

PPS - Any of the above mentioned cars could be good, or could be a complete dog. You can tell if you know a bit about cars, albeit not with 100% accuracy, but you should really be buying on condition first, and then on model, at this sort of age and money. I agree with what Hugo says about diesel at any price - if you had a Seat Marbella you can't be a high mileage driver or you'd have lost the will to live long ago.
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - MichaelR
Another vote for the Xantia. I had a Xantia (Still in the family) and have a Mondeo - I've never noticed the boot on my Xantia being that much smaller than that on my Mondeo.

I certainly prefer my Mondeo to the Xantia but then it is 5 years newer and also a top of the range model. For what I paid for the Xantia (And indeed what you'd pay now, given its current value) its hard to beet and I prefer it to the Mk1 Mondeo. The 1.9TD engine is excellent and contrary to popular opinion they are not nightmare expensive every time something goes wrong.

Despite 160,000 miles, the Xantia sailed through its last MOT with no advisories, as did the Mondeo.

The thing I liked most about my Xantia, other than the fantastic comfortable suspension, was the fact that in terms of fuel it was costing the same to run as a friends Fiesta 1.3. Then I realised that with my low mileage, fuel economy wasn't really an issue, so my next car was a 2.0 petrol becuase the Mondeo diesel is rubbish.

Despite the fact the 2.0 16v Mondeo is a good deal quicker than the Xantia, I still really miss the low down torque of the Xantia. Having to change into 4th on steep high speed hills is a constant pain. My next car will be a turbodiesel, but not for economy reasons.

I found the Xantia whilst on the lookout for a Citroen ZX and I'm very glad I did. It's such a nicer car than any ZX. Also don't bother with Peugeot 306 - unless you like the styling I see no reason to buy one becuase they command a price premium over virtually everything similar, have an awful interior, and the build quality isn't fantastic.
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - MichaelR
Infact actually I'm sure my boxed 19" CRT monitor would fit in the Xantia without dropping the seats, yet it wont do that in the Mondeo.
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - Daisy
thanks for all the ideas people, i hadn't condsidered many of the cars mentioned.

> if you had a Seat Marbella you can't be a high mileage driver or you'd have lost the will to live long ago.

I do less than 10k a year and that thing nearly drove me barmy!
I often used to forget to lock it but let's face it, even a desperate car thief would turn it down!
Replacement for Britain's worst car! - daveyK_UK
preston bca auction y'day

top of the range 1.8 p plate lantra estate in silver went for £1100 - i think.

was mint as well.

seemed bit expensive for the age - but car was mint and aged very well.
was 100 quid of buying it!