Volkswagen VR6 - Adampr

I have recently become embroiled in a pointless argument. As these are the lifeblood of the internet, I thought I would share:

Some Porsches (maybe other cars too, I think it was a first generation Cayenne in this case) have an engine with 'V6' stamped on the cover. Underneath is a VW VR6. This has triggered a squabble with three opinions:

1. It's got six cylinders, it's in a V shape, it's a V6.

2. It's got six cylinders, they're mostly in a row with a single head, it's an inline 6.

3. It's got six cylinders, they're vaguely in a V shape but with a single head, it's a special thing called a VR6.

They key issue here is that either of the latter two options makes the plastic badge on the engine cover a big fat liar.

If either of the latter two options is correct, that would also make the W12 (essentially two VR6s side by side) either a V12 or a WR12.

Volkswagen VR6 - RT

Technically it's a narrow-angle V6 - it's not an inline 6 as the cylinders aren't in line - calling it a V6 is consistent with the W12 naming - but it's up to VW/Porsche what they call it, using VR6 differentiates from the conventional V6s they also make.

Volkswagen VR6 - badbusdriver

Well if there is one thing the internet is good for, it is pointless arguments!

According to Wiki, the VR in VR6 is describing that it combines the characteristics of both "V" and "inline" engines. But my understanding thus far was simply that the VR uses a very narrow angle, making it very compact.

As RT says though, it is up to the maker using it to decide whether to use the letters VR or just V. And I guess it is understandable that Porsche would be wanting to distance themselves from a "humble" VW engine!.

By a curious coincidence I was looking up the VW VR6 engine myself not too long ago and discovered that one of the less well known applications was in Linde forklifts (fuelled by LPG)

Volkswagen VR6 - Brit_in_Germany

The original narrow V arrangement was patented by Lancia in 1915, apparently.

Volkswagen VR6 - John F

2. It's got six cylinders, they're mostly in a row with a single head, it's an inline 6.

The 'R' stands for 'reihen' which indeed implies in a row. However, the six cylinders are not exactly in line; the V angle is no more than a narrow 15 degrees which means they can share a single cylinder head.

Put two of them together at a V angle of 72 degrees and you get probably the most successful 12 cylinder car engine ever built, the W12, of which hundreds of thousands are happily purring away (occasionally roaring) all over the globe with few problems.

The design was to commemorate the dreadful Catholic massacre in 1572 ;-)

Volkswagen VR6 - elekie&a/c doctor
Don’t forget the pointless V 5 engine
Volkswagen VR6 - badbusdriver
Don’t forget the pointless V 5 engine

While is true that the V5 was pointless (alongside the 1.8 turbo), it did make a lovely noise!

Volkswagen VR6 - pd

I took one of these to bits years ago (don't ask) and, yes, they have a single head and the cylinders sort of nestle together. However it is not a conventional straight six by any means, the configuration means it is a lot shorter.

Adding to the confusion Audi/VAG also made a regular V6 of very similar capacities at the same time.....

Volkswagen VR6 - John F

..., yes, they have a single head and the cylinders sort of nestle together. However it is not a conventional straight six by any means, the configuration means it is a lot shorter.

IIRC it was designed to go into a Golf transversely. And its powerful 6.0 litre derivative, the W12, allowed space for front as well as rear wheel drive, impossible for its early contemporary V12 rivals which often had to resort to pricey (and aesthetically dire) oversized rear tyres to get a grip.

Volkswagen VR6 - bathtub tom

I recall someone over boring the cylinders on a Triumph GT6 by offsetting the cylinder boring to remove the possibility of going through the cylinder walls.

What does that make it, straight six or V6?

Volkswagen VR6 - badbusdriver

I recall someone over boring the cylinders on a Triumph GT6 by offsetting the cylinder boring to remove the possibility of going through the cylinder walls.

What does that make it, straight six or V6?

Crooked six?

Volkswagen VR6 - RT

I recall someone over boring the cylinders on a Triumph GT6 by offsetting the cylinder boring to remove the possibility of going through the cylinder walls.

What does that make it, straight six or V6?

Crooked six?

Since V8 were sometimes referred to as "bent eights" perhaps a VR6 should be a "wiggly six"

Volkswagen VR6 - Sofa Spud

A precedent to the VW VR6 was the Lancia V4, which began life in the 1920s' It was a narrow angle V4 with one cylinder head. The Lancia engine was always referred to as a V4, so I guess the VR6 can legitimately be called a V6 !!!

"VR6" is just VW's name for their engine, like Jaguar XK, Chrysler Hemi or Lotus Twin-Cam!

Edited by Sofa Spud on 12/12/2024 at 14:37

Volkswagen VR6 - skidpan

According to the interweb VR is short for Verkürzt" and "Reihenmotor" meaning "shortened inline engine"

Volkswagen VR6 - misar

"VR6" is just VW's name for their engine, like Jaguar XK, Chrysler Hemi or Lotus Twin-Cam!

Seems an odd analogy.

The Chrysler had hemispherical heads, the Lotus had twin camshafts, where were the "XK"s in the Jaguar engine?

Volkswagen VR6 - Brit_in_Germany

A timely thread. Apparently the last car to receive a VR6 was built on 12th December.

Volkswagen VR6 - RT

A timely thread. Apparently the last car to receive a VR6 was built on 12th December.

It's past it's "sell-by-date" given the outputs from the 2.0 litre 4-cylinder engines - and proper V6 engines are available within VW Group.

Volkswagen VR6 - skidpan

A timely thread. Apparently the last car to receive a VR6 was built on 12th December.

It's past it's "sell-by-date" given the outputs from the 2.0 litre 4-cylinder engines - and proper V6 engines are available within VW Group.

Having just looked on Wiki it seems that the last mainstream VAG cars to use the VR6 were the VW CC in 2017 and Audi Q7 in 2015.

Since then its been used in Chinese made for the domestic and American market oddities none of which we would have seen.