I bought a starter pack before we got the Yaris just in case we got the much publicised flat battery after not using the car for a few days. So far not needed it, even after 9 days without use when we were away it still started fine.

they even want to charge you extra for a charging cable.

So to replace our car the retail price of the new one (with metallic etc) would be £46,860, we paid £29,000 on the road nearly 4 years ago (after discount). Not found a broker deal on the new PHEV yet but discount + contribution on the 1.5 TSi seem to be approx £5700. So still north of £40,000.

At those prices it doesn't seem worth going for the PHEV. Can't see that you'd ever make the extra cost back in fuel savings.

Have a couple of links from Autotrader for the regular version. The price is a lot more palatable at £31,000 for the SE Tech Estate & £32,990 for the SE L Hatchback.

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202407121713696

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202407161819947

That may be common sense but I do not want to take a step back. Drove the 1.5 TSi DSG (in the Superb and Passat) before we bought the PHEV and we did not like it. The gearbox was pretty dumb to be kind to it. We drove the 1.5 TSi MHEV in a Golf and the DSG was way better (the electric bit hid its shortcomings) but the performance was well short of the Superb.

The only DSG I have actually enjoyed is the one in the PHEV, don't want anything different.

There is more to life than saving a few pounds, but in the 5 years we plan to own the PHEV my brief calcs suggest that using the car for about 1/2 the time on battery over 40,000 miles we will have saved about £2500 over the 1.5 TSi. That is just about what we paid extra over the 1.5 TSi when we bought it (10 mile pre-reg) and if we get more for it when we sell it there will be a saving.

But being retired with a good income I intend the next car to be just as good to drive as the Superb we already have and not a step back.

What does concern me is the peak torque which is quoted a 250NM (same as the 1.5 TSi). The peak torque of our iV is 400NM.

The 250nm stated by Skoda for the new Superb PHEV is for the ICE on its own but why they have done that (rather than a system total) is anyone's guess?. The ICE on your car makes about the same torque on its own. The 400nm is the combined system total and I'd expect the new car to make about the same. Still got no idea how manufacturers work out combined system totals though, the figures for each power source on your Suberb actually add up 580nm!

As for the NX350h, the figures I have for the ICE alone say 190bhp and 239nm (from 4300-4500rpm). The electric motor makes 182bhp and 270nm. Can't see a combined total for torque, but the combined power stated is 244bhp (but that should surely be 372bhp, so it makes no more sense than the combined torque of your Superb PHEV!)

Obviously the Superb, being a PHEV, has much bigger battery than the 350h - 20kWh on the new one (13kWh on yours) vs 1.6kWh.

Both very heavy cars though at 1800+kg!

Keep clear of the Honda civic. I purchased new the 2022 2lt hybrid civic. After just 13500 miles the steering started to play games. From rock hard to easy the car was all over the place and at 70mph. The Honda steering has a fault which Honda U.K. will not except. Honda usa as four legal actions from motoring bodies on behalf of hundreds of drivers. Three deaths have been put down to the steering fault. I also had one hell of a job selling the car as many dealers did not want the Honda. I had to px it for a Skoda just to get shot of it. Look up Honda civic steering faults.

The range of the car has doubled to about 70miles but there has been a 15 PS drop in power (not that it bothers me). What does concern me is the peak torque which is quoted a 250NM (same as the 1.5 TSi). The peak torque of our iV is 400NM.

I wonder why the peak torque has apparently dropped. Could it be an incorrect figure? Or maybe they've played with the ICE / electric motor mapping to limit the max combined torque in an effort to improve range / economy?

I know on my old 225xe, the max combined torque wasn't quite the max torque output of the ICE plus that of the electric motor, but was still 380nm from 1,750rpm (the electric motor cut out over 79mph).

Incorrect figure was my first thought but the (irrelevant) 0-62? time of the new model has increased by almost second over the time quoted for ours so perhaps they have limited it for economy reasons. With the increased range the new car has a CO2 figure of 9 g/km thus its pretty much classed as an electric vehicle for tax (BIK) purposes. The new Superb is 5%, ours is 19%, quite a saving for business users.

As for the combined torque and power figures not quite "adding up" that is the case with both the Superb and the recently bought Yaris. The on paper power figures for the Yaris suggest it should be a slug but on the road its not like that. Toyota quote a combined power output of 85 kW (116 bhp) with the electric motor contributing 59 kW of that. Simple maths would seem to suggest that the ICE is producing 26 kW (35 bhp) and its obvious that could not be correct.

Must be some different maths used.

Edited by skidpan on 03/08/2024 at 09:49

If you change after 4 years such a good car as the Superb IV why not lease whatever you want?

Change after 5 years and since retired how would leasing work for us?