Just a question that popped in to my head today:
I've seen a number of laybys where the yellow lines (either double or single) carry on through the layby itself (still by the kerb). The thought struck me that this is at least confusing if not daft - surely a layby is so people can park without obstructing the road yet it would seem that by a literal interpretation of the rules the layby is a no-go area at least during certain times.
Is this a correct interpretation? Is there any logic behind it, or are the council just too lazy to stop painting lines before and restart again afterwards?
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There is a header on sign 1018 (double yellow)TS & GD 2002 explaining
- stopping of vehicles in a layby prohibited unless in an emergency.
Presumably they do not want vehicles pulling in and out willy nilly to assist traffic flow.
DVD
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Laybys as such seem to have disappeared. They used to be posted up to a mile ahead, with the clear purpose of providing a temporary stopping point, eg to check a load, change a wheel, eat sandwiches, etc.
Now we get things looking like Laybys but with large "P" signs. As if one would want to 'park' for anything miles from anywhere.
Because the sign "Layby" has gone, I suppose it is natural to think that any widening that looks like a layby is one.
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Because the sign "Layby" has gone, I suppose it is natural to think that any widening that looks like a layby is one.
Be very wary of parking (or laying by) in a "widening" that is just opposite a road on the left!
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L'escargot by name, but not by nature.
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>> Because the sign "Layby" has gone, I suppose it is natural >> to think that any widening that looks like a layby is >> one. >> Be very wary of parking (or laying by) in a "widening" that is just opposite a road on the left! -- L'escargot by name, but not by nature.
Oops! Apparently I don't know my left from my right ~ I meant to say on the right! Right?
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L'escargot by name, but not by nature.
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Equally if the layby is intended as a bus stop then additional yellow markings should be present.
As the following diagram from TS&GD2002 shows, if the layby is only partly occupied by a bus stop then the restriced area is clearly marked.
www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2002/023113be.gif
:engages not so serious mode:
Now those of us who are paranoid might say this is all down to impending changes in Traffic Management Bill.
ie laybys with yellow lines, now no requirement for yellow lines to be accompanied by posted signs on lamp-posts etc, new civilian sheriffs loaded, locked and on a mission to meet their targets...........
:)
:back to normal:
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Good god Fif, Bus Stop?
Bus stop = town = road with lamps less than 200 yards = restricted road = 30 mph =
PEED KAMERA.
Give over
DVD
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Hmm.. I suspect I may have confused people here. I'm referring to laybys in urban areas, for example outside shops. Ones that are obviously intended to stop people parking obstructively. Does seem odd that they are provided but people aren't allowed to use them. The one I'm thinking of in particular is on a fairly quiet road so traffic flow wouldn't be a major problem...
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Not layby related but just a general double yellow question. I have it in my head that I once heard that a double yellow is not enforceable if it is not completed with a bar perpendicular to the parallel lines. Have I made that up, or did I actually read/hear about that in the news last year?
Also, is it an urban myth that badly worn lines are also unenforceable?
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and I'm asking those questions out of curiosity, not so that I can go parking on such lines!
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Found the answer to my own question at www.parkingticket.co.uk/em.html
Now can anyone, such as DVD, verify the accuracy of the information?
The complete story behind me asking is that the friend who I was chatting with works for a house building company, and they have just taken over a disused hospital site. She had been parking on the entrance road to the site, within the boundaries of the building site, which still has the double yellows from when it was a hospital. A local traffic warden recently warned her that if she parked there again (on what is now private land!!) that he would ticket her. I noticed the absence of T-bars, albeit as a result of part of the road having been dug up, and told her that I didn't think that the lines were enforceable.
Seems daft that they can still be valid when now on private land!
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OK, 4 posts in a row. Guess I should have googled before posting here. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1752927.stm
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pdc
For yellow "No Waiting" lines to be laid there is a requirement that this must be by an Order of the LA. Once laid to be lawful then they must comply with TS & G D 2002. If they don't (absense of T bar) then the signing is unlawful and prosecutions can not take place.
One needs to see the relevant Order to see what stretch of road is defined. Having reverted back to private ownership the Order for the road should have been rescinded.
DVD
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The fact that there are yellow lines through the layby does not prevent its use.
Yellow lines simply mean no parking, i.e. vehicle left unattended, you are perfectly at liberty to stop on yellow lines for the purpose of setting down or picking up passengers or for loading/unloading unless a plate otherwise restricts or the layby is part of a clearway. This is clearly detailed in the Highway Code, even so our local paper keeps referring in its anti school run campaign that parents are illegally stopping on yellow lines to drop off their children.
I would suggest that your local council is trying to keep all or part of the layby free so that people stopping to drop passengers for the shops or lorries servicing said shops do not block the flow of traffic; our council has tried a similar thing by partially yellow lining similar laybys in our area.
With regard to laybys and bus stops in a clearway the local paper had a field day with the wardens a few days back. We have a situation where a bus stop is located in a layby which then continues with double yellows, whole thing is within an urban clearway. First bus stops in bus stop, second bus can't get in stop so pulls into layby slightly behind bus stop. Passing warden spots second bus and slaps a ticket on while the passengers are boarding and driver taking the fares. Council maintain warden was correct, and bus company have accepted ticket, because warden ticketed not for parking on the double yellows but because bus was stopping outside the bus stop but on a clearway during its operating hours. I suppose if the bus doesn't stop next time because it can't get on the stop then the bus company will get grief from the passengers left at the stop!
Crazy world, if you made it up people wouldn't believe you!
Cockle
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