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Home charging your EV - sammy1

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Home charging your EV - RT

Some local authorities are installing cable channels across footpaths so that home owners can charge their EV outside their house, where there's no parking on the property.

Home charging your EV - Ethan Edwards

Some local authorities are installing cable channels across footpaths so that home owners can charge their EV outside their house, where there's no parking on the property.

When I lived in East London I was only able to park outside our house about 10% of the time. So a channel in the pavement for a cable will be little use. Allowing people to convert front gardens into off street parking might help , but that's the opposite of council policy these days.

Cost wise EVs really only work if you can home charge. Basically a lot of people are being excluded from having mobility. You'll use public transport confine yourselves to your 15 minute city open prisons. Own nothing and eat bugs. Great future isn't it. Grate doesn't it.

Home charging your EV - Andrew-T

<< Cost wise EVs really only work if you can home charge. Basically a lot of people are being excluded from having mobility. >>

That is a loaded remark. No-one is 'excluding' anyone - some may be dissuaded from owning an EV by their personal circumstances, that's all. It may be a risky idea to charge an EV on the public road anyway,

Home charging your EV - John F

....... Basically a lot of people are being excluded from having mobility. ......

Nonsense. ICE owners don't have a home refuelling system. If super-rapid chargers become as ubiquitous as fuel pumps, home chargers might become redundant - or possibly taxed out of existence! In America, I think most Tesla owners charge their cars at 'free' destination chargers.

Home charging your EV - Bromptonaut

Cost wise EVs really only work if you can home charge. Basically a lot of people are being excluded from having mobility. You'll use public transport confine yourselves to your 15 minute city open prisons. Own nothing and eat bugs. Great future isn't it. Grate doesn't it.

In so far as EV's only working if you can charge at home that's just one of the practical issues that need to be solved. It's just 13years since the Leaf, the first electric car from a mainstream manufacturer was introduced. How much has happened since then and how much more will happen in the next 13?

The 15 minute cities as open prisons thing is a conspiracy theory, nothing more.

Home charging your EV - SLO76
Going to be costly providing the means for everyone living in flats and homes with no off-street parking to charge their government enforced EV’s.
Home charging your EV - Metropolis.
It will be very costly, but the government is never shy of spending our own money to make us do things!
Home charging your EV - Terry W

I agree that where folk park on road they are unlikely to reliably park by their own cable trench. If charging points are fitted to lamp posts the trenches may have some function.

Approx 17% of homes are detached, 26% semi and 9% bungalows. In total a little over 50% are likely to have off road parking - any not doing so are likely balanced by flats and larger terraces which do have off road parking.

Some other factors to consider:

  • car ownership in urban areas with smaller properties tends to be lower than provincial and rural due to the better public transport and local infrastructure
  • occupiers of smaller properties may often be lower income and less likely to buy high cost EVs. Existing ICE can be used for probably the next 15-20 years
  • EVs will typically need charging 1 or 2 times a week - can readily be done at work, shops, leisure centres, car parks etc etc etc. Living in a terraced house is not a barrier to EV ownership

Home charging only really makes real economic sense if it is via PV - otherwise the electricity used is through the normal household supply.

Aside from the real risk that government will find a way to tax it anyway, home charging requires investment which will take several years to pay back.

I have considered an EV as I could charge off road. Fitting PVs will cost about £6000. Output will be about 3400KWH pa - if all used to charge an EV would give about 10,000 miles of motoring.

This needs to be discounted as (a) longer journeys will require recharging away from home, and (b) in summer output may meet most motoring needs but in winter (low daylight hours, more cloud) much less. Assume that overall I get ~6000 miles of "free" power.

At (say) 50mpg this saves me buying 120 gallons of fuel. At ~£7 per gallon is an annual saving of £840. It will take around 7 years to pay back my investment of £6000 - rather more as I carry the risk of any maintenance and replacement for the PV system.

IMHO this is not all a big conspiracy for Rishi, Boris and their mates to line their own pockets at the expense of the disadvantaged hardworking etc etc. The world is changing and to thrive we all need to adapt, not whinge because it is no longer 1970.

Home charging your EV - FP

"The world is changing and to thrive we all need to adapt, not whinge because it is no longer 1970."

You've put it more tactfully than I was going to. It's getting a bit tedious, to be honest.

Home charging your EV - Crickleymal

"The world is changing and to thrive we all need to adapt, not whinge because it is no longer 1970."

You've put it more tactfully than I was going to. It's getting a bit tedious, to be honest.

Amen

Home charging your EV - KB.

I, too, notice the regularity that certain contributors keep banging on at every opportunity about their dislike of of the principle of EVs and the associated infrastructure and associated implications for the future of motoring ... and, yes, I imagine for some it could be tiresome and repetetive.

Although I do like to pop in and see what views are being aired and if there's any new developments taking place that get mentioned here I admit It doesn't trouble me unduly coz I know it's going to happen and simply skip the post.... I know it's going to extol negativity toward the whole EV thing and move along.

I haven't got an EV and might never have one but do like to be aware of what's going and confess there's not enough incentive or attraction to get me to spend the money required to join the quiet revolution - and the logistics of installing a wall box on my driveway are distinctly awkward, which doesn't help.

But I'm happy to keep an open mind during these early EV days and don't suppose I'll live long enough to see the real changes that will inevitably come.

Home charging your EV - FP

"... certain contributors keep banging on at every opportunity about their dislike of of the principle of EVs..."

More accurately: banging on about all kinds of real or imagined problems, not just EVs. Monotonous negativity.

Home charging your EV - sammy1

"... certain contributors keep banging on at every opportunity about their dislike of of the principle of EVs..."

More accurately: banging on about all kinds of real or imagined problems, not just EVs. Monotonous negativity.

"""My annual search for car insurance has just started again and the landscape looks rather different this year. Last year I paid £336. This year the quotes I'm gathering are in the region of £440 - 460, for the same car, which is now worth rather less. The compulsory excess now seems universal across my quotes at £350; on last year's policy it was £100.""

Having a moan about your car insurance. Real or imaginary negativity or what?

I thought the whole idea of a forum was to exchange views on motoring or other long established categories not moan about others moans

Home charging your EV - FP

"Having a moan about your car insurance."

Correct - I admit it. Though it certainly wasn't along the lines of "how awful this is for society", or "I am outraged"; it was about something that was mildly surprising and annoying to me personally.

I suppose complaining about negativity is also being negative, but it was a reaction to the sort of thing we are presented with virtually every day and sometimes more than once a day - a sort of shock-horror claim that life in the UK or in the world is going down the pan in various ways. (And it's not just motoring.)

It gets tedious. I'll probably just clear off and let the people who wish to do so wallow in their misery.

The BR forum used to be more fun than this.

Edited by FP on 21/05/2023 at 00:38

Home charging your EV - SLO76

"... certain contributors keep banging on at every opportunity about their dislike of of the principle of EVs..."

More accurately: banging on about all kinds of real or imagined problems, not just EVs. Monotonous negativity.

"""My annual search for car insurance has just started again and the landscape looks rather different this year. Last year I paid £336. This year the quotes I'm gathering are in the region of £440 - 460, for the same car, which is now worth rather less. The compulsory excess now seems universal across my quotes at £350; on last year's policy it was £100.""

Having a moan about your car insurance. Real or imaginary negativity or what?

I thought the whole idea of a forum was to exchange views on motoring or other long established categories not moan about others moans

One positive that comes from closing in on 50 and living in a quiet part of sunny Scotland is that my insurance is peanuts. £191 this year for old Terrance the Toyota. I believe SWMBO is shelling out £360 or so for her Nissan Leaf, thanks to having no no claims bonus after an unfortunate incident with a cyclist.

Edited by SLO76 on 21/05/2023 at 01:32

Home charging your EV - SLO76
It will be very costly, but the government is never shy of spending our own money to make us do things!

Truth.
Home charging your EV - Xileno

People can start any thread they like, as long as there's no breach of forum policy.

As I said to a member a few weeks ago, treat the forum similar to the TV. Focus in on the bits you enjoy and skip over anything that is not of interest etc. As soon as Eastenders comes on I switch channels (apologies to Eastenders fans)

There's usually something for everyone - the recent thread about learner drivers and phasing out of manuals is quite thought-provoking. Anyone can start a thread. I saw a lovely TR6 yesterday - I had forgotten the smell of uncatalysed fumes as it passed by roof down of course.

Home charging your EV - Andrew-T

I saw a lovely TR6 yesterday - I had forgotten the smell of uncatalysed fumes as it passed by roof down of course.

You might also be reminded if you followed my 205 on its fortnightly excursions into north Wales. Not only does it have no cat (1991) but it also has a manual choke. It is in reasonable tune though, as the CO and HC levels were both less than 10% of the allowed limits last Christmas.

Home charging your EV - Bolt

I saw a lovely TR6 yesterday - I had forgotten the smell of uncatalysed fumes as it passed by roof down of course.

its actually rare to find a TR6 or most triumphs that are running correctly, most are tuned to run as smoothly as possible even though to get them to run smooth ish they are running a lot richer than they should be

I remember going to an IOW classic car show where some cars had just turned up and were running too rich after a 10mile drive, (according to driver) but mentioned they couldn`t adjust the carbs correctly so left the engines running rich and left them like it

As for charging EVs, its nothing unusual to see a Tesla being charged on mains cables over the path as they cannot get the car close to the charger due to other cars on the drive, you would think other members of family would move there cars to allow the Tesla closer access to the charger?

Edited by Bolt on 21/05/2023 at 10:24

Home charging your EV - sammy1

I have been wondering what are the consequences if someone did have an accident involving a badly run or any run cable across a public footpath. Would the local authority be liable in perhaps turning a blind eye to the obvious dander or would the householder be. I cannot think any insurance policy would cover you for a deliberate act of running an electric cable. There is also the possibility of the cable being damaged.

Home charging your EV - Bromptonaut

I have been wondering what are the consequences if someone did have an accident involving a badly run or any run cable across a public footpath. Would the local authority be liable in perhaps turning a blind eye to the obvious dander or would the householder be. I cannot think any insurance policy would cover you for a deliberate act of running an electric cable. There is also the possibility of the cable being damaged.

The liability, as with all trip/slip type accidents, will rest primarily with the person who created the trip hazard. Exactly as now if somebody trips over a mower cable or one for an electric tool bing used on a car at the kerb. Of course, if the state of the pavement was in some way a contributory factor then the Council might be in the frame too. As would be the case if, in future, there was some duty on the LA to facilitate a trip free routing.

Home charging your EV - movilogo

Climate change is real but the way it is addressed in UK/EU is just to make some people very rich at the expense of others, while not contributing much about environment.

This is how much CO2 is emitted by each country

www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-.../

This is by which year each country wants to be net zero.

eciu.net/netzerotracker

Looking at above charts, the countries which emit most amount of CO2, are pledging net zero at much further in future. So, if we use 80-20 principle, efforts by smaller countries like UK is unlikely to solve climate change issue.

Home charging your EV - Andrew-T

Looking at above charts, the countries which emit most amount of CO2, are pledging net zero at much further in future. So, if we use 80-20 principle, efforts by smaller countries like UK is unlikely to solve climate change issue.

That is bordering on the old excuse 'one more (or less) won't make any difference'. If each nation waits for the others to do something, obviously nothing will get done.

In the end, of course, it comes down to the collective contribution of individuals to agree to the cause. Usually that follows the same principle as above.

Home charging your EV - Terry W

Individuals and countries tend to act in their own self interest. Even in democracies, political action is driven by aspirations for re-election. All have fairly short term concerns (the next few years). Climate change is a decadal threat.

The consequences - coherent and swift action will not be taken until the threat is major and immediate - eg: sea level rise flooding London, New York, Shanghai, year on year drought conditions in Mediterranean, 50m refugees from Bangladesh seeking dry land etc.

The world will then move into zero emissions overdrive, even though it may be too late for many due to lags between emissions and impacts.

Doing nothing now because it makes no immediate difference is short-sighted - far better to get ahead of the game.

Home charging your EV - John F

I saw a lovely TR6 yesterday - I had forgotten the smell of uncatalysed fumes as it passed by roof down of course.

its actually rare to find a TR6 or most triumphs that are running correctly, most are tuned to run as smoothly as possible even though to get them to run smooth ish they are running a lot richer than they should be

My lovely 43yr old TR7 has no catalyser but if you had passed it yesterday on its way to Old Warden to see some aircraft more than twice its age (the Shuttleworth collection) take to the clear blue sky, you would have smelled no fumes as I have left the twin SUs at the fairly lean setting to pass the MoT. The only roughness is when idling.

I remember going to an IOW classic car show where some cars had just turned up and were running too rich after a 10mile drive, (according to driver) but mentioned they couldn`t adjust the carbs correctly so left the engines running rich and left them like it

Most old British 'classics' use SU carbs which are very easy to adjust.