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ANY - ULEZ compliance - _

High Ulez compliance sees less cash for TfL | Evening Standard

So, Upset because not enough fines.....

ANY - ULEZ compliance - RT

High Ulez compliance sees less cash for TfL | Evening Standard

So, Upset because not enough fines.....

Is TfL actually upset or is this just a newspaper headline - TfL may actually be over the moon that compliance is better than expected.

ANY - ULEZ compliance - groaver

It's got to be good for local air pollution, if there are fewer non-compliant vehicles running around.

ANY - ULEZ compliance - _

It's got to be good for local air pollution, if there are fewer non-compliant vehicles running around.

If you read the article, they (HE) says they will have to cut multiple services BECAUSE of the "missing income"

Predicted to be minus £600 millions over the next 3 years.

Personally, I avoid anything inside the North circular (Don't go south of the river Guv anyways)

It was claimed to be about reducing pollution, so what in heavens anem are TFL moaning about.

Surely that means it is successful.

ANY - ULEZ compliance - Bromptonaut

There are some deep politics here.

It's an inevitable consequence of the pandemic that TfL's farebox income has fallen off a cliff. They need national government subvention to prevent them becoming insolvent.

What conditions did national government impose for providing that subvention?

Was extending the ULEZ to the A405/A205 so as to add the consequential fees/fines a condition?

If those fees/fines are less than expected and TfL are once again in deficit where does the fault li?

ANY - ULEZ compliance - Ethan Edwards

Message received and understood. TfL are desperate for cash. If they can fine you for anything whatsoever they will.

ANY - ULEZ compliance - John F

Message received and understood. TfL are desperate for cash. If they can fine you for anything whatsoever they will.

Or they could cut down on their expenses, e.g. well paid tube drivers. I was told many years ago by a senior underground manager that they are surplus to requirements. Should be re-trained for HGVs.

ANY - ULEZ compliance - Engineer Andy

There are some deep politics here.

It's an inevitable consequence of the pandemic that TfL's farebox income has fallen off a cliff. They need national government subvention to prevent them becoming insolvent.

What conditions did national government impose for providing that subvention?

Was extending the ULEZ to the A405/A205 so as to add the consequential fees/fines a condition?

If those fees/fines are less than expected and TfL are once again in deficit where does the fault li?

Khan wanted to do this anyway, thus the government insisting on it as a condition of TfL getting more government (national taxpayer) money to keep it going during the Pandemic is rather moot.

The main issue for TfL's loss of revenue was due to politicians of all hues buying into the fallacy of telling everyone to work from home/furlough during the pandemic. If everyone retruned to their offices, then I suspect the loss of revenue due to the extension of the ULEZ would be minimal, given, some would be made up by fares and less local spending on polution-related health services.

What doesn't help either is that London doesn't have proper 'park and ride' car parking for people who live within 20 miles or so of the zone to use train/tube stations instead of their car (buses are rarely a viable alternative, mainly because those doing so are normally going shopping and need the storage space, which buses down have, plus they are slow [often taking convoluted routes]).

Bear in mind also that Khan just gave many of his top grade managers huge bonuses. Not exacly the actions of someone desperate for cash.

Edited by Engineer Andy on 19/11/2021 at 13:53

ANY - ULEZ compliance - alan1302

It's got to be good for local air pollution, if there are fewer non-compliant vehicles running around.

If you read the article, they (HE) says they will have to cut multiple services BECAUSE of the "missing income"

Predicted to be minus £600 millions over the next 3 years.

Personally, I avoid anything inside the North circular (Don't go south of the river Guv anyways)

It was claimed to be about reducing pollution, so what in heavens anem are TFL moaning about.

Surely that means it is successful.

Does not show they are 'upset' or 'moaning' though - it's a report stating facts. Of course if they expected a certain income then they won't have the income they expected and will need to change their planned spending.

ANY - ULEZ compliance - Bolt

It's got to be good for local air pollution, if there are fewer non-compliant vehicles running around.

If you read the article, they (HE) says they will have to cut multiple services BECAUSE of the "missing income"

Predicted to be minus £600 millions over the next 3 years.

Personally, I avoid anything inside the North circular (Don't go south of the river Guv anyways)

It was claimed to be about reducing pollution, so what in heavens anem are TFL moaning about.

Surely that means it is successful.

Does not show they are 'upset' or 'moaning' though - it's a report stating facts. Of course if they expected a certain income then they won't have the income they expected and will need to change their planned spending.

Or extend ULEZ to M25 which is in the works and may come sooner than expected...

ANY - ULEZ compliance - Ian_SW

It mainly shows how illogical people are with money when it comes to car costs. It would have been cheaper for many to keep their existing car and pay the charge. This is just like people buying a new car to save £150 a year in road tax all over again.

There was an article in one of the weekend papers by a columnist who had swapped an ageing diesel people carrier for a new electric car 'because of the cost of the ULEZ payment'. Assuming the old people carrier was worth next to nothing, they have probably dropped £30000 of cash to upgrade the car, or more likely paying £400+ per month PCPing or leasing the new one.

£30000 would pay for 2400 days (six and a half years!!) of driving in the ULEZ every day. Similarly the ULEZ would cost £375 per month if you drive every day, or just over £100 per month if you only drive at weekends (fairly common for car owning Londoners who use the tube to get to work).

Interestingly, there was another article floating about the other day showing that it had only had a very marginal effect on local pollution levels too. Not surprising given that the vast majority of vehicles used regularly in the ULEZ were already less than 6 years old so compliant already and haven't been changed.

Given the amount of infrastructure required for such a scheme, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount taken in payments and fines never even covers the initial cost of installation.

ANY - ULEZ compliance - Engineer Andy

It's got to be good for local air pollution, if there are fewer non-compliant vehicles running around.

If you read the article, they (HE) says they will have to cut multiple services BECAUSE of the "missing income"

Predicted to be minus £600 millions over the next 3 years.

Personally, I avoid anything inside the North circular (Don't go south of the river Guv anyways)

It was claimed to be about reducing pollution, so what in heavens anem are TFL moaning about.

Surely that means it is successful.

Does not show they are 'upset' or 'moaning' though - it's a report stating facts. Of course if they expected a certain income then they won't have the income they expected and will need to change their planned spending.

Or extend ULEZ to M25 which is in the works and may come sooner than expected...

They can't, because the M25 goes well into Hertfordshire (e.g. encompassing about 60% of Hertsmere BC area).

ANY - ULEZ compliance - Sparrow

I think this shows that the real reason for the extended ULEZ is more to do with revenue raising than going green. With such a large zone, using cameras for enforcement is costly, both to install and to maintain.

ANY - ULEZ compliance - Engineer Andy

I think this shows that the real reason for the extended ULEZ is more to do with revenue raising than going green. With such a large zone, using cameras for enforcement is costly, both to install and to maintain.

If it was about getting people to take more environmentally forms of transport, they'd have banned the vehicles from entering the city centre outright.

In my view, they are just designed to force the plebs onto cramped public transport so that rich people (who can afford 'congestion' charges [even when driving EVs [now touted because of falling revenues] and ULEZs [when driving their 'Chelsea tractors', e.g. 4x4 Range Rovers - such a need for them in the city) - politicians, heads of activist 'charities' and uber-rich company bosses can travel around the city in their cars without getting held up by us lot (as evidenced by the Olympic VIP lanes in 2012 and the farce at COP26 amongst others).

Similar to the 'restrictions' on the plebs' travel abroad by making it so difficult/expensive that it leave the skies and airports free for the rich and powerful to fly their private jets around delay-free to nice quiet, empty destinations.

Of course, once we plebs are forced onto public transport, the fares will inevitably go up, or taxes (which never hit the rich and powerful, or enough to hurt them).