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Any - Fuel cost in perspective - nick62

To give some perspective to the horrendous fuel price at the moment, I filled-up yesterday:

62 litres - £87.00 (Costco, so a decent price)

In May this year, I spent the identical sum again at Cosco (£87.00), but this was for 72 litres.

I got 2.2 gallons less than six months ago!

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - RT

Beer is still more expensive per litre than diesel or petrol!

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - Andrew-T

Beer is still more expensive per litre than diesel or petrol!

It has been for a very long time. What is more, most of it has fallen as rain, not being dug up in some inhospitable place at great expense. But of course most of both prices is some form of taxation.

Bottled water is also pretty expensive - I don't know why people buy it in this country ....

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - nick62

Bottled water is also pretty expensive - I don't know why people buy it in this country ....

Me neither. Nowt wrong with "corporation pop" in the UK.

The M6 in Lancashire was closed all day yesterday because a lorry carrying bottled water had crashed, as if there wasn't enough water up here yesterday!

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - badbusdriver

About a month ago after posting in the technical section, I was advised to fill my Caddy van up with 'super diesel'. Went to a BP filling station and did just that, cost me £95.81 for 57.75 litres!.

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - nick62

'super diesel'.

The stuff at Cosco is supposed to "super" diesel apparently?

It was £1.399 yesterday, (£1.219 in May), so 82p a gallon more expensive in old money!

Edited by nick62 on 02/11/2021 at 10:29

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - Chris M

When I were a lad I can remember the time leaded hit £1 a gallon.

You tell youth of today....

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - RT

When I were a lad I can remember the time leaded hit £1 a gallon.

You tell youth of today....

That makes you a youngster - I can remember it going up in the Budget to 6/8 per gallon, that's under 8p per litre

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - nick62

That makes you a youngster - I can remember it going up in the Budget to 6/8 per gallon, that's under 8p per litre

6/8 is about 33p a gallon. My first recollections are 37p a gallon, swiftly rising to about 50p a gallon. I guess this would be 1973/74 period, (I had on old Honda 50 field-bike as an 11 year old)?

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - Andrew-T

When I were a lad I can remember the time leaded hit £1 a gallon. You tell youth of today....

That makes you a youngster - I can remember it going up in the Budget to 6/8 per gallon, that's under 8p per litre

You must all be youngsters - I remember petrol being 4/11½ = just a shade below 25p a gallon, or slightly below 6p a litre ...... That would be about 1960/61 .

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - Andrew-T

About a month ago after posting in the technical section, I was advised to fill my Caddy van up with 'super diesel'. Went to a BP filling station and did just that, cost me £95.81 for 57.75 litres!.

BBD - I think I suggested you try super-D - did it make any difference ? I didn't mean you to 'fill up' with it, just give it 10 or 20 litres when the tank is fairly low.

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - S40 Man

Beer is still more expensive per litre than diesel or petrol!

Banks best in ALDI is £0.89 per pint or £1.56:per litre

Little french lager are cheaper than that.

Diesel in my local station is £1.48 per litre, and was £1.67 at the mway services last time I was there.

Pretty much the same price these days, both heavily taxed mind.

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - craig-pd130

I don 't know what all the fuss is about. Petrol's always been a tenner, hasn't it? ;-)

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - catsdad

We were away for the weekend. We did 500 miles, 90% on motorways, for £62.50 worth of E10. This is approximately 53mpg. Before fuel prices rocketed I was averaging 10p per mile. However even at current prices 12.5p a mile in fuel is still OK in my book.

I checked Trainline and the same train journey would have cost £140 each plus a taxi at either end. Or £305 each first class.

Of course if I took into account all my running costs then my cost per mile is much closer to the rail cost but that is not how most people think. In any case living in a rural area I need a car as public transport is poor.

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - nick62

Of course if I took into account all my running costs then my cost per mile is much closer to the rail cost but that is not how most people think. In any case living in a rural area I need a car as public transport is poor.

I've gone from living my first 20 odd years about as far from civilisation as is possible in the Peak District, to the last 20 odd years just 6 miles from the centre of a large north-west city and only a minutes walk to the local railway station (four trains per hour pre-Covid).

You really cannot underestimate the convenience of living so close to the railway and given I'll be 60 in three months time, local trips will be free after 9.30 a.m. :)

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - Andrew-T

<< You really cannot underestimate the convenience of living so close to the railway >>

I think you mean 'overstate', and I agree with you as I live 5 mins walk from our local station. If you can't underestimate something it must be unimportant ?

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - badbusdriver

BBD - I think I suggested you try super-D - did it make any difference ? I didn't mean you to 'fill up' with it, just give it 10 or 20 litres when the tank is fairly low.

Well the loss of power I was asking about hasn't happened since then Andrew!.

TBH, I don't really mind the extra cost if it helps, and I certainly have no plans to use super diesel all the time, maybe every fourth fill. The price just came as a bit of a shock with my usual refill typically costing around £80!.

It did also cross my mind that the van was maybe needing a good thrash as I tend to drive fairly gently most of the time, the old Italian tune up!. So I have taken it up to the red part of the rev counter a couple of times too.

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - Xileno

I bought some E10 today on my first trip to the office for over a year, the price was £1.43/l at the local Sainsbury's. Yes seems a lot but then I thought how the fuel price might have changed as a percentage of people's income over the years. I know averages disguise a lot of inequality but maybe in comparative terms it's not so bad. I tried to find some stats earlier but couldn't.

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - nick62

<< You really cannot underestimate the convenience of living so close to the railway >>

I think you mean 'overstate', and I agree with you as I live 5 mins walk from our local station. If you can't underestimate something it must be unimportant ?

I agree and thank you for correcting my terrible English. I did think it didn't sound right before I posted it, but I couldn't think of the correct term. I must try harder!

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - movilogo

Using that analogy, if you buy a house now, compared to 3 years back, you will get one bedroom less.

Just to give you a perspective to horrendous property prices.

Edited by movilogo on 02/11/2021 at 22:26

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - Falkirk Bairn

I got a brand new car in 1966 - the car cost £520 and petrol was 5 shillings (25p) a gallon for 4 star.

Inflation has made the the 25p gallon equal to £4.75 (19 x, and average inflation of 5.7% a year) in today's money equal to £1.06p per litre as against around £1.40 I paid last week. Roughly 40% more expensive

Then again I have a lot more in income as do most of us.

My wife was a teacher was paid roughly £750 per year in 1966.

Today a teacher starting in Scotland gets north of £25K - 33 x the 1966 pay she was paid.

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - kiss (keep it simple)

My grandfather talked about his mate who has a Ford Pilot. "It costs seven shillings and sixpence to fill the tank!" They don't know they're born today.

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - Engineer Andy

To give some perspective to the horrendous fuel price at the moment, I filled-up yesterday:

62 litres - £87.00 (Costco, so a decent price)

In May this year, I spent the identical sum again at Cosco (£87.00), but this was for 72 litres.

I got 2.2 gallons less than six months ago!

Not long after the first lockdown 18 months ago, the price of a litre of petrol at my local filling station cost 108p because of the lack of customers. Today it costs 141p. That's an increase of 30%, and even 17.5% over the price just before the pandemic started (120p).

Sadly I can remember filling up my 90s Micra back in 1998 and paying 70p a litre.

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - Terry W

Petrol was cheap in 1973 when I started driving. It does cost a little more per gallon in real terms today, but improvements in car economy and performance wipe that out.

Ford Anglia, Triumph Herald etc - 0-60 ~20 seconds, max speed ~80mph, ~30mpg, servicing every 3-5k. Current mid range equivalents - 0-60 ~10 seconds, max speed ~120mph, ~45-60mpg, servicing every 12-20k. +air con, +electric windows, +more space for luggage and passengers, + etc.

Fuel is very, very cheap. For £7 my car will travel 50 miles, with four passengers and luggage, in about an hour. No other way to move goods and people comes remotely close in terms of time or money.

Horses, bullock carts, canal barge are utterly non-competitve. Trains and buses may have environmental merits - but are inflexible with fixed timetables, and often high fare cost.

Were fuel (say) 3 time the price, we would think far more carefully about how we organise our lives. There is no quick fix - social and economic structures have evolved over the last 75 years since WW2 on the back of cheap fuel and mobility.

Any - Fuel cost in perspective - Andrew-T

Were fuel (say) 3 time the price, we would think far more carefully about how we organise our lives. There is no quick fix - social and economic structures have evolved over the last 75 years since WW2 on the back of cheap fuel and mobility.

Assuming you accept that burning of hydrocarbons is raising the global temperature, there will have to be a self-imposed 'fix' in the shape of everyone agreeing to travel less. Sadly we have all got accustomed to doing that whenever we like, because (as you say) it is cheap and we have lots to spend. The only sums we do involve time and money, not natural resources.