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The Driving Experience - NHV7

Hi everyone.

I am a 3rd year student at Royal Holloway University London researching on the personal experiences of driving and how this may cause difficulty for drivers to move towards autonomous cars in the future.

I myself am a huge car enthusiast and enjoy the idea of getting into my car, feeling the thrill of control, enjoying the sound of its exhaust, and having the freedom of travel.

But as technology and innovation has evolved, it comes to question just how certain technologies may change the driving experience particularly with autonomous vehicles, and how drivers or car culture in general might also change.

I would like to understand your experiences of driving, your reasoning of car ownership, and your thoughts on current/ future technologies.

If you would like to contribute to my research please click on the link and fill in this survey:

https://rhul.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/the-drivers-car-what-are-your-expereinces-when-driving

l promise this only takes 2-3 minutes and I will be very grateful for your answers.

Thank you.

The Driving Experience - gordonbennet

I'll fill in the survey when i have more time, it won't be a 3 minute job to answer the reasons- why blanks that need to be filled in with thought.

What i will say to you is don't worry about fully autonomous cars, you'll still be driving (well steering) your car in your dotage, if you can afford it and the yet to be added taxes and costs as they can get away with it, assuming the less equal than others are still allowed a car when the new puritans come of age and the more equal than others rule from their ivory towers.

As you enjoy driving and are a student if you have an interest in the roads still being allowed to be used by us proles, its in your own future interests to make sure there's some opposition to what the new rulers have planned for us.

ie if you get yourself into a position of influence (its been done before, the long march through the institutions no doubt well represented where you are, so it can be reversed), or have like minded fellow students who you think might go on to be decision makers of the future, and you will need others who can still think independently on side, unless you only want to steer some form of future white goods blob electric dodgem and i couldn't think of a motoring fate more dreadful.

Try to ensure real cars with real engines that need to be driven are still allowed on the road, and not double/treble taxed into the scrap yards, because that is where the danger lies, they're already making noises about lost fuel/ved duties and road pricing of some sort is being mooted, but we all know those cars still using petrol and Diesel will still be paying their present and soon to be increased various taxes, and will without doubt also have to pay whatever they have planned for road usage.

The future and what happens lies with people like you who still have some enthusiasm, if you don't want the awful bland future some of these really frightening people have planned for us it's for people like you to form the opposition movements within, no time like the present.

Edited by gordonbennet on 16/10/2019 at 22:08

The Driving Experience - NHV7

Thank you very much, and I really appreciate your comments.

The Driving Experience - John F

Autonomous cars could work where I am now (Irvine CA - a system of wide roads laid out in the late 20thC where it never snows) but never in the UK where narrow roads dating from medieval times are often reduced to single track by parked cars, and when traffic is completely blocked by someone wanting to turn right, waiting until a kind human in the stream of oncoming vehicles flashes and slows to allow them to do so.

The Driving Experience - edlithgow

Autonomous cars could work where I am now (Irvine CA - a system of wide roads laid out in the late 20thC where it never snows) but never in the UK where narrow roads dating from medieval times are often reduced to single track by parked cars, and when traffic is completely blocked by someone wanting to turn right, waiting until a kind human in the stream of oncoming vehicles flashes and slows to allow them to do so.

Some pretty random road systems here too (Look up "Chinese Logic". You'll find it under oxym****s.) yet they are testing AV's in the next city, where they will have to initially co-exist with Taiwanese drivers, a good trick if you can do it.

The Driving Experience - Andrew-T

As you enjoy driving and are a student if you have an interest in the roads still being allowed to be used by us proles, its in your own future interests to make sure there's some opposition to what the new rulers have planned for us.

Shame on you, GB - sounds as if you are encouraging our young friend to bias his results in favour of - what? Having been through the university research system myself (many moons ago) I was trained to experiment, try to make sense of the results, and report. I have met some who develop a theory and then get some results which fit it, come what may (as some current politician might say).

The Driving Experience - gordonbennet

Shame on you, GB - sounds as if you are encouraging our young friend to bias his results in favour of - what?

Absolutely not Andrew-T, research should be fair and truthful and not made to fit an agenda or to endorse what pays the best and suits an already pre judged outcome.

The chap declares himself a car enthusiast and more power to his elbow i say, and i dare say he is finding himself quite a rare voice among his immediate peers, i just want to encourage the chap, if he has the inclination, to think about the future if people like him don't have an input and its left to vegetarians :-) to decide what we should be allowed to drive in the future...which is after all his and not my future, i won't be driving an electric dodgem or white goods blob no matter what, i'd rather walk out my remaining years, and my walking will cost the taxman an awful of what he currently takes from me, i doubt i'm alone in this.

I've enjoyed my motoring years mostly, i still like controlling a vehicle properly both my own cars and my work lorries in which i refuse completely to be just a steering wheel operative...what worries me is there are seriously wealthy deeply embedded well organised vested interests at work out there calling all the shots and with the power of a mass media propaganda onslaught on their side, and very little organised opposition, our young friend probably thinks i'm a demented lunatic, and he may well be right, but if he has an interest and an inclination he might just think on it a bit.

Edited by gordonbennet on 17/10/2019 at 11:04

The Driving Experience - Pinstripe

On numerous occasions my Garmin 50LM and my wife's 51LMT has tried to take us through fields, gardens, along bridleways and across pavements where the road layout hasn't changed for probably decades so the mapping has clearly been drawn up incorrectly.

It also regularly displays an incorrect speed limit. Sometimes it's due to changes in limits that haven't been included in an update but sometimes it's clearly an error in the satnav's map.

Similarly, my Motorola (rebadged Binatone with maps copyrighted to TomTom) has incorrect junction priorities for roads which haven't changed in layout for as long as I remember.

So I think we're a long way from letting cars drive themselves.

Edited by Pinstripe on 17/10/2019 at 17:44

The Driving Experience - FP

A couple of comments: while not huge, this survey takes well over two or three minutes to complete. It would be helpful if there was some automatic cut-off where responses of no more than 100 characters are required - as it stands a lot of time is wasted getting this right.

The Driving Experience - Leif
You want to let software engineers drive your car for you? Cripes. IMO it will be a long long time before an AV is reliable enough to use on real roads. Just look at current cars. Mine has emergency braking which triggers at random for no reason.

It might be that certain roads are allowed for AV use, motorways and fast A roads for example, but in residential areas you must drive the vehicle manually. Who knows.
The Driving Experience - Engineer Andy

Imagine having to either find the reset button or press the equivalent of CTRL+ALT+DEL to re-start a car that for some reason turned off at 70 in the fast lane of the M25...

Edited by Engineer Andy on 17/10/2019 at 20:10

The Driving Experience - Bolt

Imagine having to either find the reset button or press the equivalent of CTRL+ALT+DEL to re-start a car that for some reason turned off at 70 in the fast lane of the M25...

there are too many backup systems for that to happen, but its the software thats the problem now rather than the hardware

The Driving Experience - drd63
Weird comment from GB about vegetarians - why would a healthy diet affect decisions about cars. I’m vegetarian and drive a 5.0 Mustang, my wife is vegan and drives a Fiat 124, both fun, drivers cars.
The Driving Experience - gordonbennet

Did you not spot the smiley? a little light humour injected.

The Driving Experience - edlithgow

- why would a healthy diet affect decisions about cars.

Shouldn't.

An unsupplemented vegan diet, OTOH, is deficient in B12, which interferes with cognitive processing and progresses through psychosis, dementia, paralysis and death, all of which can affect decisions about cars.

Keep taking the supplements

(A little heavy seriousness injected.)

The Driving Experience - edlithgow

Imagine having to either find the reset button or press the equivalent of CTRL+ALT+DEL to re-start a car that for some reason turned off at 70 in the fast lane of the M25...

there are too many backup systems for that to happen, but its the software thats the problem now rather than the hardware

While ago now, but remember the Toyota "unintended acceleration" scandals?.

https://tw.forumosa.com/t/fatal-flooring-how-come/53993

There were (suppressed, obscured and generally buried in BS until the media lost interest, which doesn't take long) reports of that being a software issue.

Perhaps "there are too many backup systems for that to happen" too,

but some dead people might disagree.

Edited by edlithgow on 19/10/2019 at 03:29