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VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - Leif

I have a VW Polo which has done 30,000 miles from new and the GoodYear EfficientGrip tyres are down to 3.5 mm on the front and 4.5 mm on the rear. The legal limit is 1.6 mm but it seems that most agree that 1.6 mm is not safe. Some think 3 mm is the ideal replacement depth.

So, I'm thinking of doing 10,000 more miles by which time the rear should be down to 3.5 mm, and the front about 2.5 mm, and replacing all four corners. In my experience the rear are the more important. I'm a pretty sedate driver, although that does not account for any other muppet on the road. Thoughts?

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - Bromptonaut

I've always replaced when they're close to the wear indicator in the tread at least at one side of the tread or the other. The Berlingo for example wears the outer edges of rear tyres quite a bit quicker than inner.

Front of the Skoda is other way around. Both characteristics are apparently 'features' and not signs of tracking/alignment issues.

Neither car gets chucked around but both are expected to run fully laden from time to time and the Berlingo is used to tow a caravan.

Grip on the road is too important to take chances with.

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - focussed

The depth of tread remaining doesn't really affect tyre grip in the dry as long as the profile is not worn at the shoulders. However, the ability to shift water out from between the tyre and the road on a wet road diminishes as a function of the depth of tread remaining.

I don't run tyres down to the minimum 1.6 mm as approaching 2 mm aquaplaning is far too easy to achieve on standing water so changing at 3 mm like emergency services are supposed to do is a good idea.

But I did look up the MOT history of a UK police transit that appeared in a newspaper article recently and found that it failed it's last MOT on front nearside tyre with canvas showing through amongst other things!

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - daveyjp

If you are close to 3mm I'd be looking at changing at the end of summer ready for autumn and winter.

I've never been brave enough to let a tyre get to 1.6mm - by the time 2.5 is reached damp roundabouts can be very interesting. Braking from speed on wet roads is also severely compromised with such low tread.

Edited by daveyjp on 03/07/2019 at 16:08

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - Bolt

The depth of tread remaining doesn't really affect tyre grip in the dry as long as the profile is not worn at the shoulders. However, the ability to shift water out from between the tyre and the road on a wet road diminishes as a function of the depth of tread remaining.

I don't run tyres down to the minimum 1.6 mm as approaching 2 mm aquaplaning is far too easy to achieve on standing water so changing at 3 mm like emergency services are supposed to do is a good idea.

But I did look up the MOT history of a UK police transit that appeared in a newspaper article recently and found that it failed it's last MOT on front nearside tyre with canvas showing through amongst other things!

I agree, I not long ago replaced the Civics rears because they were down to 3mm, I seem to be lucky to get 25k from my tyres, but that's the way it is on the Civic- all my Civics have worn tyres at the same rate but as we get more flooding now with poor drainage in the road I prefer to have good tread rather than near minimum

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - catsdad
bolt, re the Civic, what brand are you using? I only got 25k -ish from the original Continentals. Changed to Michelin Cross Climates and after 24k they are a mix of 5 and 6 mm remaining. So punctures permitting I should get more than 50 k out of them. I am a light user as most of my journeys are out of town but this was the same useage pattern throughout my ownership.

As for the OP point I will change around 3mm but Michelin themselves were not in favour of the mooted change to 3mm a year or two ago. They were content with the current limit.

Edited by catsdad on 03/07/2019 at 17:07

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - Bolt
bolt, re the Civic, what brand are you using? I only got 25k -ish from the original Continentals. Changed to Michelin Cross Climates and after 24k they are a mix of 5 and 6 mm remaining. So punctures permitting I should get more than 50 k out of them. I am a light user as most of my journeys are out of town but this was the same useage pattern throughout my ownership. As for the OP point I will change around 3mm but Michelin themselves were not in favour of the mooted change to 3mm a year or two ago. They were content with the current limit.

I changed to Bridgestone's Turanzas from the original Michelin energy savers, I found them to be very noisy and skipped on damp roads.

car has been a lot better with the Bridgestone's and I know others with the same car who had the same problem, tbh I have never liked Michelin but kept them until 3mm and just on second set of Bridgestone's I have now done 50k in 3 1/2 years and with our poor roads doesn't really surprise me how long the last

I am 1 set ahead, as I kept getting punctures and were all on corner of sidewall so replaced

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - Wee Willie Winkie

"I don't run tyres down to the minimum 1.6 mm as approaching 2 mm aquaplaning is far too easy to achieve on standing water so changing at 3 mm like emergency services are supposed to do is a good idea."

The NHS Trust I work for has a standard of reporting ambulance tyres at 3mm and replacing at 2mm.

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - Andrew-T

.... it failed it's last MOT on front nearside tyre with canvas showing through amongst other things!

Canvas??? Whatever were they driving? Surely tyres have had metal or polymer belts for decades?

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - skidpan

.... it failed it's last MOT on front nearside tyre with canvas showing through amongst other things!

Canvas??? Whatever were they driving? Surely tyres have had metal or polymer belts for decades?

Here is a good diagram showing modern radial construction

www.kwik-fit.com/tyres/information/how-tyres-are-m...e

Note the box that appears and says

"Radial casing plies contain textile fibre cords that give the tyre strength and enable the tyre to resist pressure."

Probably those that were visible

or

"Bracing plies made from a series of polyester cords,"

Canvas is probably just a generic word the tester used.

Until recently a Auris down our road literally had no sidewall rubber remaining on the nearside front, only canvas visible. Now been replaced but it was like that for a good 6 months.

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - bazza

Tyres seem very variable these days. Ive had 3 cars now, 2 Octavias and a focus that have had to have the rears replaced when there was still plenty of tread left, due to excessive noise in the car. The latest, only 2 weeks ago and the focus is like a new car again! Apparently this is very common with independent rear suspension. Of note to catssad, only got 15000 off the front civic tyres, so disappointed given I am a very sedate driver these days. Hankooks I think they were.

Edited by bazza on 03/07/2019 at 19:24

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - Bolt

Tyres seem very variable these days. Ive had 3 cars now, 2 Octavias and a focus that have had to have the rears replaced when there was still plenty of tread left, due to excessive noise in the car. The latest, only 2 weeks ago and the focus is like a new car again! Apparently this is very common with independent rear suspension. Of note to catssad, only got 15000 off the front civic tyres, so disappointed given I am a very sedate driver these days. Hankooks I think they were.

Only get between 12 and 15k from my Civic fronts, but both previous Civic Hatches were the same for wear, one was petrol the other 2 diesel.

I remember Rovers had the same problem, tyre wear on the fronts as bad as Civic

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - bathtub tom

Until recently a Auris down our road literally had no sidewall rubber remaining on the nearside front, only canvas visible. Now been replaced but it was like that for a good 6 months.

Late FIL had front N/S like that. Used to 'find' the kerb when he parked and rub along it to make sure he was parked as closely as possible.

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - Leif
Thanks all, very informative. I think I’ll wait till Autumn approaches and then change all four, so maybe 35,000 miles on each. It’s not a lot of money for extra safety.

I will be changing to all season tyres, probably GoodYear as noticeably cheaper than Michelin Cross Climates and just as good it seems.
VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - SLO76
I wouldn’t change tyres until they’re on or very close to the legal limit unless I’m feeling a noticeable drop in grip levels. Cost is a factor but also environmental issues too. If everyone suddenly started changing tyres so early the amount of extra resources required nationally would be huge never mind globally.

Stick with a good medium to premium tyre and there should be very little grip loss until they drop well below 2mm.
VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - galileo

Back in the 1960s (when there was no legal minimum tread depth requirement, just 'no canvas showing' ) I followed a friend and saw his car perform a 360 degree spin when he braked on a wet road. He had had 4 smooth tyres, bought 2 new one but put one on left front the other on right rear.

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - John F

I agree with SLO76. Swap the front to the rear so they get to sub 2.0mm about the same time so you can change all four at once. You should get another 10K out of them.

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - Bolt
I wouldn’t change tyres until they’re on or very close to the legal limit unless I’m feeling a noticeable drop in grip levels. Cost is a factor but also environmental issues too. If everyone suddenly started changing tyres so early the amount of extra resources required nationally would be huge never mind globally. Stick with a good medium to premium tyre and there should be very little grip loss until they drop well below 2mm.

Not sure how you work that one out, ie environment issues, they end up as dust on the road anyway uncontrolled, at least they get turned into other things when recycled,

and as for road grip at legal limit, fair comment in the dry, but not in the wet 2mm or less cannot clear as much water as 3mm can unless they have found a way of dispersing water much quicker and in greater volume

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - alan1302

Not sure how you work that one out, ie environment issues, they end up as dust on the road anyway uncontrolled, at least they get turned into other things when recycled,

Expect they mean with the amount of oil used and resources used to make tyres

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - CHarkin

Im with SLO76 and John F on this, most play it overly safe because its an unknown factor and they loose confidence in their tyres. Even when I worked in the tyre industry many years ago it took thirty odd liters of oil to make a tyre and thats when a 155 x 15 was the norm, it will be 100 Litre to make a large modern tyre.

Grip in the dry has nothing to do with tread depth, in fact a low tread depth helps grip particularly lateral grip. If you take a contact patch of a given area its the percentage of the patch thats rubber and the percentage void that determines grip. Its not just tread depth that governs aquaplaning, narrow tyres resist it much better than wide tyres, how good your suspension is matters as well. The shape of the contact patch determined by the carcass construction effects how well a tyre resists aquaplaning, think of a motorcycle tyre with next to no tread depth but can still shed water well.

I see it as a shameful wast to throw tyres away that still have thousands of miles left in them. If in doubt try an emergency stop in a wet empty road to put your mind at rest and then just drive to the road conditions. If you hit any great depth of standing water you can still aquaplane no mater what tread depth you have.

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - Bolt

I see it as a shameful wast to throw tyres away that still have thousands of miles left in them

Funny you should say that as I used to take tyres to minimum legal limit, but then I kept getting punctures that were not legal to repair because the law said a puncture in a certain place had to be scrapped which meant buying a new tyre.

and I have had more than my fair share of scrapable punctures due to builders dropping darn great roof nails in the road with other people dropping sharp objects on the road that for some reason seemed to be aimed at my tyres

apart from that I do know how tyres work and understand whats involved in making them, which they are still going to be made regardless of whether I change a tyre at 1.6mm or 3 and Im contributing to rebuilding roads and other materials that tyres are being used for to save the earths resources, But then you knew that anyway;)

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - SLO76
“I do know how tyres work and understand whats involved in making them, which they are still going to be made regardless of whether I change a tyre at 1.6mm or 3“

If you buy more of a thing then they will make more of it. Simple supply and demand logic. Best way to reduce waste and help the environment is by keeping tyres until they are genuinely done.
VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - skidpan

Personally I do not have a set rule about when to buy new tyres other than I would never drive into October with tyres showing under 2.5mm. By the time you hit January or February you will be down to the legal limit and buying new ones so why not get some a few months early and have the benefit if a safer car during the wet and slippery Autumn months.

I will be changing to all season tyres, probably GoodYear as noticeably cheaper than Michelin Cross Climates and just as good it seems.

Have a look to see if Kleber Quadraxers are available in your size. Had them on 3 cars and they are magic. Excellent grip in the snow and quiet on dry summer roads. In the common 205 55 16 V size they are about £20 a tyre less than Michelin and £5 a tyre less than Goodyear. Take a look at the tread pattern virtually identical to the Cross Climate, hardly surprising since the are made by Michelin. If I were buying a set of tyres today and they were avaiable in my size I would not hesitate.

When I was racing we used to get new road tyres shaved before using them. As a novice I thought this was crazy, buy a new tyre and then pay to get it worn was surely madness. But the extra grip in the dry using a tyre with about 3.5mm compared to the same new tyre with full tread depth was amazing (even when the releasing compound had been worn away). It was far more stable (braking and cornering) since the tread blocks were not moving about and it had far less tendency to scrub the shoulders off than a tyre with full tread, in some cases they would actually last longer. With 3.5mm the tyres were fine in the wet but once down to 3mm it was time to get a new set (or an extra set of rims with suitable tyres), in the dry they were fine right down to 1.6mm. On a streaming wet track you would be nowhere other than doing an impersonation of a mobile chicane.

Track specific (but still road legal) tyres are normally made with about 4mm of tread but not all classes allow them.

VW Polo 2018 - When to replace tyres - Smileyman

Also give consideration to the new (last winter) Bridgestone all season tyres ... Weather Control A005