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Economical conventional automatic - tourantass
Hi... Can anyone recommend a small higher seating position economical torque converter petrol automatic... budget around £5K... a simple diesel is a poss as we will do regular long haul trips to Cornwall...

Edited by tourantass on 04/06/2019 at 15:08

Economical conventional automatic - SLO76
Your need for a higher seating position complicates this substantially. The best small auto is the Mazda 2 but the Kia Venga would fit the height demand but economy isn’t great, mid to high 30’s day to day.

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A Hyundai i20 1.4 auto is worthy and a bit more spacious than the Mazda but better on fuel than the taller riding Venga. They’re cheap too as they’re seen as being unfashionable which makes for good value.

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Economical conventional automatic - badbusdriver

How about a 2011-2017 Vauxhall Meriva?.

The 1.7 turbo diesel is, i believe (SLO?) an Isuzu unit and very reliable, the auto gearbox is a t/c unit, high seating position, and relatively small. Your £5k budget would get you into a 2012/13 car.

We used to have a manual, and i thought it would have been great, as an auto!. A fairly heavy clutch combined with a narrow power band meant it was no fun in stop start traffic, but otherwise, it was a good family car.

Edited by badbusdriver on 04/06/2019 at 15:44

Economical conventional automatic - SLO76

How about a 2011-2017 Vauxhall Meriva?.

The 1.7 turbo diesel is, i believe (SLO?) an Isuzu unit and very reliable, the auto gearbox is a t/c unit, high seating position, and relatively small. Your £5k budget would get you into a 2012/13 car.

We used to have a manual, and i thought it would have been great, as an auto!. A fairly heavy clutch combined with a narrow power band meant it was no fun in stop start traffic, but otherwise, it was a good family car.

A car I always forget. Nothing really wrong with it aside from the slightly awkward looks but yes it would fit the bill and the Isuzu diesel motor is generally very robust as is the gearbox. Good call bbd! Usual worries regarding the DPF but this engine is one of the better modern diesels for reliability. On a run 50mpg plus should be achievable and it’s pretty spacious, cheap too. Auto Trader: www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20190529843...9
Economical conventional automatic - tourantass
Hi.. Thanks for all your advice, plenty of food for thought. As the petrol Venga is not that frugal would a diesel version be a possible option?.... thanks again.
Economical conventional automatic - badbusdriver
Hi.. Thanks for all your advice, plenty of food for thought. As the petrol Venga is not that frugal would a diesel version be a possible option?.... thanks again.

A diesel version is possible, just not as an auto. Sadly the only auto Venga (and its Hyundai cousin, the ix20) was the 1.6 petrol. With your budget, this will be the 4 speed auto, as the updated 6 speed auto was introduced Dec 2015.

However, whilst mulling over the Venga, another high riding Kia popped into my head, the Soul. This has kind of SUV looks about it, being a chunky, boxy shape. Under the skin, i believe it shares much with the Venga, but, wierdly, while the Venga has only ever been available as an auto with the 1.6 petrol, the Soul auto (the 1st gen cars, 2008-2014), was only available with the 1.6 turbo diesel! (well, just to clarify, according to the info on this website, it was also available in the most basic trim level with the 1.6 petrol, but i have never seen one for sale, and looking at current cars on Autotrader, the only auto >£5k Soul's are diesel).

Your budget would get you into a 2012 example with >70k miles. Try to avoid examples with huge alloy wheels, as they apparently ruin the ride comfort.

Economical conventional automatic - tourantass
Hi..yeh I looked at the soul and we really like it...but the auto appears not to be a TC box as the auto gear leaver isnt the straight up and down as a conventional auto is.....great if I am wrong?
Economical conventional automatic - tourantass
Hi..Actually I might have been thinking of the Suzuki sx4...but we do like the Soul.. a def contentender.
Economical conventional automatic - badbusdriver

The 1st gen Kia Soul definitely is a t/c auto. The 2nd gen, from late 2014, uses a dual clutch, but i don't think that was straight away, possibly from around 2016, but you wouldn't get one that young for £5k anyway.

The Suzuki is a good call, and is very reliable, but i doubt it would be much more economical than the Venga being a 1.6 petrol. Another possibility would be the 1st gen Nissan Note, available up to 2013ish. Like the Suzuki and the venga, this uses a 1.6 petrol with a t/c auto, and are very reliable, if not particularly economical.

Another possibility is the Toyota Verso S. This is kind of an MPV based on the Yaris, but taller. It uses a 1.33 petrol with a CVT auto. Because of this, it will be usefully more economical than anything with a petrol engine and t/c auto, if fact it probably wouldn't be far off the mpg of the diesel Kia Soul. The main problem would be finding one, as they were not a big sales success, also, the one or two that crop up for sale, are probably going to be over budget.

Economical conventional automatic - pyruse

What about the Honda Jazz or HRV?

The auto box on those is nice, and has a torque converter, although it is a CVT rather than with conventional gears, but it is pretty reliable.

The Jazz seat can be raised up quite high, but if you want a taller car the HRV would fit the bill.

Economical conventional automatic - badbusdriver

What about the Honda Jazz or HRV?

The auto box on those is nice, and has a torque converter, although it is a CVT rather than with conventional gears, but it is pretty reliable.

The Jazz seat can be raised up quite high, but if you want a taller car the HRV would fit the bill.

The Jazz is certainly a possibility, but the HR-V would be ancient by comparison. The current model being way out of the OP's budget, would leave the original shape, and of the two currently on Autotrader, the youngest is 2004.

There is also the FR-V though, and while that is still going to be no younger than 2009, i'd much rather one of them than an HR-V. Very reliable, and the six seat layout (two rows of three) intrigues. I'm not sure if it is a t/c or CVT, but either would be reliable.

Economical conventional automatic - tourantass
Hi...I found this Kia Soul, any thoughts.......rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww....8..
Economical conventional automatic - badbusdriver
Hi...I found this Kia Soul, any thoughts.......rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww....8..

Looks good in the pics, but with white cars, it can be difficult to spot any imperfections. MOT history shows that while it passed the last one, it was noted that both rear tyres are showing age related damage (cracked or perishing), so be aware you may well need to replace them soon.

Economical conventional automatic - tourantass
Hi.. change of budget... any ideas for a medium sized sat up tc auto economical petrol car budget upto 10k. we do like the suzuki vitara but unsure if its tc on all models.. Thanks in advance.
Economical conventional automatic - badbusdriver

You may well like the Vitara, but i very much doubt you'd get one for £10k. A look on Autotrader shows the cheapest Vitara auto (a 2015 car with 90k miles) is £10995, the next cheapest is over £12k.

I don't think there is anything particularly economical of the size you want with a petrol engine and t/c auto (the Vitara certainly isn't). Of a similar style and type of car to the Vitara is the Ssangyong Tivoli, a bit more affordable, but still only 4 on Autotrader under £10k.

Even with the bigger budget, if you want a car with a higher seating position, a t/c auto and decent economy, i think i'd still go with the Kia Soul. £10k would get you into a low mileage 2015 2nd gen car (*be aware, they were fitted with a DCT gearbox from late 2015*). With a full Kia history, this will still have 3 years warranty remaining. But it will be a diesel.

If you could manage without the high seating position, maybe a Mazda 3 or a Honda Civic.

Edited by badbusdriver on 16/06/2019 at 17:07

Economical conventional automatic - Happy Blue!

At that budget you have lots of options; just avoid anything by Ford, VW, Skoda, Seat or Audi to stay with a TC gearbox. Obvious choices are Japanese, Korean or French. Mazda CX5 might do the trick, or find a non-SUV vehicle; more MPV like a Ford C-Max with a TC rather than Powershift gearbox..

Plod you way through Autotrader.

Economical conventional automatic - badbusdriver

At that budget you have lots of options; just avoid anything by Ford, VW, Skoda, Seat or Audi to stay with a TC gearbox. Obvious choices are Japanese, Korean or French. Mazda CX5 might do the trick, or find a non-SUV vehicle; more MPV like a Ford C-Max with a TC rather than Powershift gearbox..

Plod you way through Autotrader.

Not as much choice as you think, given the OP wants a raised seating position and reasonable economy. Nothing from VAG, nothing from Ford, much of the PSA group stuff will have automated manuals, and that price point will bring you into DSG equipped Hundai/Kia. No Mazda CX-5 or CX-3 for that money (there are diesel engined CX-5's, but that would be a big a no no!).

Other than the already mentioned Kia Soul (a diesel admittedly), you could get a newer example of the Vauxhall Meriva mentioned earlier. For example, £10k would get you into a 1.4 turbo auto (120bhp) as young as 2017, or a 2015 diesel auto. There is also the Vauxhall Mokka, your budget would get you into a 2016 1.4 turbo auto (140bhp), but the diesel would be best avoided seeing as it uses a Fiat engine (unlike the Meriva which used a very reliable Isuzu engine). Unfortunately, going by what i have read, the Mokka isn't a great car, but your choices are limited (without compromising what you want).

Economical conventional automatic - tourantass
Thanks for the replies, its a funny old situation I am in...we run a petrol Chevrolet orlando perfectly happy with it....but it drinks fuel....and also run our little runabout ...Hyundai getz which has done us proud but past its sell by date., and too low and small as we have got older..its obviously cheaper to just keep pouring the fuel into the auto Orlando, than spending thousands on a more economical second car....but its funny how you get so much more pleasure driving a car that is doing good mpg, we loved our diesel golf..then our diesel touran...but needed an automatic...hence the Orlando which was a steal when we bought it, it may be best going for a meriva as the controls and switches look pretty much the same as the Orlando which will make it easier swopping from one carbto the other, although the Marivas auto handbrake is a worry.
Economical conventional automatic - Happy Blue!

We have had three cars with auto handbrake. As long as you understand how it works (and it helps that your seatbelt is on), they work as designed without problems. Better with automatics than manuals though.

Economical conventional automatic - tourantass
Hi...Before I travel to see either...what are your thoughts on the poss best choice of the following two cars.....the Meriva has a better spec..pan roof, cruise control. However the kia is quirky, lower millage, and I do believe a more modern engine...... Happy for any other suggestions...ta

www.rcscarsales.co.uk/used-cars/kia-soul-1-6-crdi-...5

www.cbsautos.co.uk/used-cars/vauxhall-meriva-1-7-c...2
Economical conventional automatic - SLO76
The only real fear I’d have is that the low mileage and auto transmission probably means they’ve both had mostly short stop, start local driving meaning the DPF could be nearly full. Take a good drive in both and assuming no issues flag up and both have full service records buy the one you like the most.

Oh, and don’t take the dealers finance if you’re borrowing. It’s utterly uncompetitive.

Edited by SLO76 on 25/06/2019 at 18:09

Economical conventional automatic - tourantass
Thanks for the reply...I will ask them to check the V5 to see if the Kia is Euro 4 or Euro 5 emissions, apparently they switched at 2011 so it may or may not have a DPF...which will help my decision.
Economical conventional automatic - tourantass
Hi..Just an update...I purchased a kia soul 2011 diesel auto.. with 17500 miles on the clock for just over 5k... it has five services in the book, three by the main agent. It has been well looked after with genuine history from the ex mobility owner, I have covered 300 miles since the purchase giving it good motorway runs, everything appears fine I even factored in a poss replacment dpf before taking the plunge, but all seems fine so far....its doing a good job for us, without risking silly money...Thanks for everyones advice.
Economical conventional automatic - badbusdriver
Hi..Just an update...I purchased a kia soul 2011 diesel auto.. with 17500 miles on the clock for just over 5k... it has five services in the book, three by the main agent. It has been well looked after with genuine history from the ex mobility owner, I have covered 300 miles since the purchase giving it good motorway runs, everything appears fine I even factored in a poss replacment dpf before taking the plunge, but all seems fine so far....its doing a good job for us, without risking silly money...Thanks for everyones advice.

Glad to hear you are liking it so far.

The Soul is a car i feel is unfairly overlooked, offering a great combination of that warranty, reliablity, a high driving position, decent amount of interior space but in a car reasonably compact. I think its unconventional looks might be a factor, but were i in a similar position as you, i'd be having a close look at the Soul myself.

I do find myself wondering about the decision making at Kia, when an automatic Soul (1st gen) could only be had with the diesel engine, but an automatic Venga (which shares much mechanically including the platform), was only available with the petrol engine.