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Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - Nicola Kirkland
Hi I’ve seen a 2005 Renault grand scenic 7 for sale and needed some advice.

It’s had the same owner for 10 years and has 12 months mot and full service history. There are a couple of issues i have picked up from the mot history and wondered if I should leave alone?

Basically on the mot history between 2012 and 2013 the odometer reading changes from around 65k to 2k. The seller says it had a recall due to the dashboard and it got put back to zero. On the advert he hasn’t lied about the mileage and says it’s done approx 110k. Is this plausible? Last mot showed 45k mileage so adds up with when the dash was replaced.

The other thing is that it has an advisory of play in the steering rack joint. It failed the last recent mot and he had the ball joints done and new tyres but left the steering rack joint advisory. Should I be concerned he hasn’t done this advisory and is selling? Is it an expensive fix? It has now got 12 months mot.

I only have a £1100 budget you see and the car only needs to help with the school runs

Thanks

Edited by Nicola Kirkland on 19/05/2019 at 11:11

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - kiss (keep it simple)

You are very wise to check MOT history. A car of this age is inevitably going to need repairs on a more or less regular basis. Get a quote from a couple of garages to see what you might have to budget for on the steering job. Is it a diesel? If so unexpected repairs for the engine or emission system could easily exceed the cost of the vehicle. Or you might get lucky and have a couple of years of trouble free motoring......

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - Bromptonaut

The odometer thing isn't necessarily a worry. Our 1991 Citroen BX had already had one replacement speedo before we acquired it in 1993 and had one more before we scrapped it in 2005. If the mileage he's declaring and the MoT/Service histories tally it need not be an issue now (but might be if you sell it on later).

MoT advisories can be anything or nothing. How much wear is there? What would it cost to put it right? A new rack and fitting could cost as much as car is worth. OTOH if it's a repairable part it might be a lot less,

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - FiestaOwner

Re: The mileage. Normally I would be very wary of a mileage discrepancy. In this case it sounds very plausible and I wouldn't let it put you off this car. Instrument panels/ dashboards do sometimes fail. The fact the owner is volunteering this info, by putting the actual mileage on the advert is positive.

Steering rack advisory. It might fail the next MOT for it or it might be fine till the car is scrapped. The car is 14 years old and if everything else is ok, it might be worth considering, but any car of this age could need money spent on it for the next MOT (whether advised at the previous MOT or not).

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - gordonbennet

Its an old car, but its got 12 months MOT and has been owned for a long time by the same person, who is straight about the mileage change.

If it were me i'd go and look at it, and give it (and the owner) a good checking over and a long test drive over varied roads and make sure it reverses properly, if it feels ok and you get good vibes about it and the owner then it could well give a few years decent service, on the other hand it could die next month, just as any used car at any budget, so buy as cheaply as you can.

It will help if you are handy with some spanners to keep costs down when it needs little jobs doing, but if you get it for say £800 that would be less than 3 months payments of a PCP for a new equivalent, so as long as it lasts till the end of the current MOT you are well in pocket.

People say to avoid French barges like this, and yes if it was up for £4000 at a dealer i'd also say avoid but if bought well i'd be inclined to take the risk.

Steering rack might be an advisory for the next 3 years, don't worry unless it becomes serious.

Edited by gordonbennet on 19/05/2019 at 11:47

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - badbusdriver

Of course another question entirely is whether or not you should be buying an £1100 Renault Grand Scenic full stop. The answer to which, unfortunately, is no!. The reasons for this are due mainly to the twin facts that Renault's, certainly of that age, really are not very reliable. Also, the complexity of the car is going to start causing problems. This was when Renault started using gimmicky stuff like the infamous keycard instead of a key, that in itself makes it something you should avoid. In addition to this was numerous other technological "advances", which tend to fail through both age and uncaring previous owners. You could get lucky with this one, certainly the length of time the owner has had it is a good point, but i'm not sure i'd chance it. BTW, what is the engine and gearbox?.

Alternatives?, well the trouble is at that price point, there are no real guarantees of reliability as any potential purchase is going to be getting on, and may well have had very uncaring and neglectful owners. But the bottom line is to keep it simple, that means n/a petrol engine (i.e, non turbo), and manual gearbox. Preferably something of Japanese or Korean origins, though there are some Fords which might be worth consideration.

Am i right in assuming you need more than 5 seats?. If so, the cars i'd be looking at would be the toyota Corolla Verso, Mazda 5, Honda FR-V (assuming you can manage with 6 seats), Honda Stream, and the Vauxhall Zafira (1.6 petrol).

Edited by badbusdriver on 19/05/2019 at 12:14

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - SLO76
I wouldn’t recommend buying a 14yr old Renault with a 6 figure mileage. They resist rot well but are otherwise fragile things. Buy something Japanese instead. Unfashionable large cars like the Toyota Avensis, Mazda 6 and Honda Accord can be had in good condition for under £1,500 easy enough. If this is genuine and is solid underneath then it’ll have years of reliable life left and will still be going years after that Renault has expired.

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Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - nellyjak

With the budget you have I would NOT be going anywhere near it..as ever, my suggestion would always be to look at a Japanese model for greater reliability and less future hassle.

At this sort of price level the Scenic is a high risk vehicle IMO.

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - Nicola Kirkland
Hi thanks for the replies

Yes I need a 7 seater because of the kids I have, I’m put off by a Zafira as the middle row you can't get 3 car seats in plus haven’t they had the 3rd recall?

The Renault is a manual 1.6VVT privilege?

I’m a woman and a bit worried about haggling the price etc. The seller is an old bloke who’s retired but has no email etc so I’m having to talk to him via phone which I’m finding a bit stressful haha. I’m not in a great place mentally and have pnd and really need a car again as a bit of a life line for doing the school runs as my kids go to a school we don’t live near and I’m currently struggling to get them there. Sorry for the life story but thought it might help ??

It also helps the Renault is pretty close by for me to get to look at as I’m not in a position to be travelling far to see a vehicle

What price do you think I should be aiming to pay for it?

Thanks


Edited by Nicola Kirkland on 19/05/2019 at 12:39

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - sammy1

I would not worry too much about the mechanics. The fact that the owner has keep it running all these years is a plus and with 12 months MOT. Quiz him on the reason he is selling and if poss take a friend along to see it and give it a good test drive. I would offer him £750 for it as I don't expect he will have a queue of people. You will have to tax and insure it and budget for poss problems and running costs.

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - gordonbennet

Oh, yes, please take someone along that knows a bit about motors, even if you don't know anyone personally a friend must know a mechanic who would be prepared to check the car out for a decent drink.

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - bazza

You can use the advisory to leverage the price down. Assuming you take someone with you and check it out properly, I would offer 600 cash and haggle hard with a top limit of say 7 to 750. If you can get a year out of it it's cheap motoring, if longer it's a bargain. But don't pay more than that, as others have said there are better cars out there but if this one's cheap enough..... But please take someone with you!

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - badbusdriver

Where in the country are you Nicola?. I (and i'm sure a few others) would be happy to have a look online to see if there is anything else in your area worth looking at.

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - SLO76
This is quite the challenge but I don’t think you’d be wise to spend money you can’t afford to lose on an old Renault which is highly likely to become a total money pit.

Are you using isofix seats? Are you able to borrow a little to give yourself a chance to buy something safe and reliable? Buying on such a tight budget is difficult and you need to prioritise reliability over anything else even if it means compromising elsewhere. Do all three kids need to be in child seats?

Let us know roughly where you are or post a link to the advert for the Scenic and we’ll see what else is nearby.
Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - barney100

Mate had a Scenic which needed a new dash and apparently it's not uncommon.

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - Bromptonaut

Mate had a Scenic which needed a new dash and apparently it's not uncommon.

OP says it was a recall. Unless there's evidence that recall doesn't solve issue or that there might be other dash problems later. See a reasonable number of older Scenics/Meganes around locally, never mind in France, which make me think they're not as shoggly as some here assert.

We had a pretty old/high mileage example as a hire car on Isle of Lewis when we went there fly drive for my 50th nine and a half years ago, think it was a 51 reg. Ran just fine. Only issue was that not being diesel (a) I stalled it with monotonous regularity and (b) it seemed to need constantly topping up with motion lotion.

And while I've not run Renaults the 'shonky electrics carp reliability' thing is thrown at all French cars. I've taken 3 Citroens beyond 150k and next one up, bought in September 2013, will be on 90k by end of next week when we get back from another trip to the Western Isles.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 19/05/2019 at 23:22

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - Stackman II

My wife ran one of these for about 5 years. It too was a 2005 Grand Scenic 1.6VVT.

Among the things that went wrong were the dashboard failing, the key-cards failing, numerous replacement coil packs and we replaced the rear electric handbrake mechanism twice.Oh and the wipers packed up before we sold it, apparently the automatic control unit packed up.

It was a fine car when it was going with versatile accommodation and comfortable ride.

We repaired the major items with second-hand parts from a scrapyard, although Renault will tell you the handbrake mechanism needs to be electronically "married" to the car. It doesn't.

The guy we sold it to kept it going for a couple of years.

I couldn't recommend one as reliable family transport. Any of the repairs above could wipe out the cars value at main dealer prices.

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - John F

Seems to me that if your budget is barely into four figures, a low annual mileage old car with a good service history run by a careful honest old codger is going to be the best bargain you can find. This one gives you lots of car for your money. Any car over ten years and 100,000 miles old whether Asian or European is at risk of expensive repair.

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - SLO76
“Any car over ten years and 100,000 miles old whether Asian or European is at risk of expensive repair.”

Correct but you can limit your exposure by going for something that has a reputation for reliability to start with. I’d sooner trust a 2005 Toyota, Honda or Mazda over an equivalent Renault assuming they’ve been similarly maintained.
Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - John F

I agree - but I think it would be difficult even for you to find a 7 seater Japanese car with a year's MoT for £1100. If I were in her shoes I'd go for a Hyundai Santa Fe rather than a Renault Scenic.

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - SLO76

I agree - but I think it would be difficult even for you to find a 7 seater Japanese car with a year's MoT for £1100. If I were in her shoes I'd go for a Hyundai Santa Fe rather than a Renault Scenic.

True. But I don’t think the OP should waste money buying a car that’ll very likely be drain on her limited finances. A £1,100 14yr old Renault should be bought only if you can afford to lose the full investment if or rather when it goes pop. I’ve asked for a rough location so that I can have a look for other options but not had a response but yes it’s unlikely a reliable 7str can be had for this money. Possibly a Mazda 5 but I don’t think you can get three child seats in the first row in the back but then that’s why I say that compromises will be required. A basic 1.6 petrol Zafira shouldn’t be ruled out either. If possible I’d borrow to buy something better in the name of safety here.

Edited by SLO76 on 20/05/2019 at 19:46

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - Andrew-T

Seems to me that if your budget is barely into four figures, a low annual mileage old car with a good service history run by a careful honest old codger is going to be the best bargain you can find.

I'm with John. If your budget is that low, any car within it is cheap because it is likely to cost money to keep running. You have to trust to luck, and the only improvement you might find is one with lower mileage - otherwise you can talk to the owner, find out a lot, and judge for yourself how genuine it is. The mileage question is unimportant as the MoT check website will give a complete record for the last 12 years or so.

By the time you have insured and taxed it, and put fuel in, the cost of the thing itself is a fairly small percentage.

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - Galaxy

With regards to the Renault I'd certainly want to know when the cambelt was last replaced. Yes, it is an expensive job to have done but the possible consequences of not having the cambelt replaced are even greater.

My niece used to have one of these vehicles. The cambelt went at 68,000 miles and it cost her nearly £2000 to get the damage repaired.

Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - SLO76
“My niece used to have one of these vehicles. The cambelt went at 68,000 miles and it cost her nearly £2000 to get the damage repaired”

Very prone to timing belt failure these and a possible reason for the sale. It almost certainly won’t have been in the recent past on such a low value car and is likely to be well overdue. There are some engines I’d risk running on an overdue T/belt but this isn’t one of them. Budget around £350 to have it done including water pump if there’s no proof it’s been changed in the last 4yrs or risk it if you can afford to bin it and walk away if it fails.
Renault Grand Scenic - Advice re buying a Renault grand scenic 2005 potential mot history issue - Andrew-T

One question the OP might ask the seller (may not get an honest answer) is how long the car has been for sale. If that's a month or two, draw your own conclusions.