I don't know...some issues are too difficult for the layperson to analyse and make a reasoned decision. This is not an excuse for not thinking through things but how does one get 100% impartial advice about EVs ? My car is old and I could do with a newer one but pointless buying another ICE car so I will wait another 3-4 years and see how the EV show goes.

I am very independant of mind thats why I haven't brought a diesel car or an electric car.

I have a petrol engine car because that is the best we have at the moment. It might change in the future but who knows. The problem with electric cars is that they are changing so fast there have been 4 battery types on the Nissan Leaf so why would anyone buy the first model that is why they have lost so much money. In the future that may change but we will need to see. Battery life and condition is affected how the batteries are charged using rapid chargers all the time will reduce there life. Charging the car up only at home will make the battery last longer but then the range is much worse. I have worked in a dealer that sells new cars including an electric model and this is fact.

So a car bought for £30k is, 3 years later is worth £6k because it depreciates at average of £8k per year? Not at all true, ICE or ev. Go on, name that car. But you can't, because it doesnt exist. Why ICE owners think they can make such claims but not provide evidence is strange, unless it is virtue signalling?

A 3 phase AC drive motor isn't going to require much maintenance over its life time, apart from bearings wearing out there very little to actually go wrong with one.

We use 3 phase AC traction motors at work in forklifts, blowing the dust out of them during service & replacement bearings at around 5 to 6 years old is all we seem to need to do to them maintenance wise, I've yet to replace an AC traction motor for an actual failure in 13 years of working with them.

Its not the motor necessarily I would be worried about - it's all the other parts on a high mileage (well-used) car: suspension, A/C, batteries, etc. Besides, forklifts aren't the same as cars and lead a far different life, as well as being more robust in design and cost a LOT more as a result.

Let's clear up the errors of fact in the above statement.

According to the Toyota warranty conditions the hybrid battery is warranted for up to 15 years as long as the car is serviced by toyota or a toyota hybrid specialist. There is no other charge or insurance policy needed. The only stipulation is that the car is serviced every 10000 miles.

The hybrid batteries are nickel metal hydride, not lithium. Fully electric cars use lithium.

Not quite on the warranty - as I read it, you can extend the warranty by a year each year as long as the car is serviced within that mileage maximum (whatever comes first). That's not the same as them guaranteeing that the battery will keep X% of its charge (likely general wear and tear in their document) - it's that the unit works at all.

And of course, this extension costs money, probably not that cheap either, and likely to rise by more than inflation each year as the likelihood of component failure rises with age. The problem is that all owners throughout the car's life would presumably have to take it out (and to have it checked every year/10k miles tops) for it to be an option for the latest owner.

All this nonsense about EVs battery life and saving the planet and there is THEOPHILOUS using insecticide to KILL spiders in his wing mirrors! I feel a bit guilty just going too fast and making them homeless.

It's called extinction rebellion I believe.

All this nonsense about EVs battery life and saving the planet and there is THEOPHILOUS using insecticide to KILL spiders in his wing mirrors! I feel a bit guilty just going too fast and making them homeless.

Why? Are you driving in reverse?!

Or...do you have open mirrors?

The difference was that before USB charging of mobile phones and tablets were introduced into cars, the tech was ALREADY WIDELY AVAILABLE, and so car manufacturers just needed to 'introduce it' (hardly a big draw on power or require much tech).

Reliable, universal and widespread (enough for everyone to use) EV charging tech will take decades to roll out because rapid charging still takes 5-10 times as long as filling up a car with fuel, and the infrastrutcure (including local distribution) will take a LOT of work and requires a HUGE investment to pay for it: not everyone has several £0000s to pay for a charging point, especially higher security/robust ones needed for people living in flats or terraced housing - plus they will have to pay upkeep and insurance as there's a decent likelihood of them being vandalised, given where they'd be.

It's all well and good having filling stations with EV charging points, but until a FULL charge (and for a mileage all year than can rival that of ICE engined cars and on a budget that people can afford [buying the car]) can be achieved in 5 mins or less, they won't be practical. We'd just be getting queueing at filling stations like in the 1970s and the 2000 fuel strike, but for EVs.

This will happen, but a LOT slower than you think. Doing so by 2030 is unrealistic and financially ruinous. It'll continue to be for the more well-off only for some time to come.