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Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Richard Burroughs

Hi All,

I'm starting a family on 9th April 2019. I currently have a black 2010 ford fiesta 3 doors. I need to change to something more practical but i have a tight budget due to cost of being a parent and one income.

I love this car but i'm worried 83k is too many miles and after researching i know mazda's have some issues with rust. Can i get your opinions. What i do like is its a basic petrol engine (no turbo) and full mazda history.

Thanks in advanced.

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Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - nellyjak

Hi All,

I'm starting a family on 9th April 2019.

???...I'm amazed you can be so precise.???..lol

Personally I think I'd want to see less miles but that doesn't mean it ain't a good car..what would be your p.a. mileage.?..and how long might you keep it.?

Nowt wrong with Mazda much either...particularly the petrol versions...they are one of the more reliable makes....along with Honda and my own favourite..Toyota...and they tend to hold value better than some.

You are right to go petrol, no turbo...and Japanese.!

Don't rush it...there are plenty out there.

Edited by nellyjak on 15/02/2019 at 15:43

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - gordonbennet

If it were me, i'd get onto the relevant Mazda forums and research where exactly these cars start to rust, then armed with that knowledge go and look at it closely, if you like it and it's decent value...i have no idea what the prices of such cars should be...then if you do decide to buy it, armed with your knowledge of it's potential rust spots, get to work during the summer with the various preventative measures that can be taken to make it last for many years, DIY or professional...lots of advice on this forum if you search, some of us have rustproofed our own vehicles to good effect.

I note the brake pads are advised for this particular car on the last MOT, so worth checking they've been changed, if not make it part of the deal.

Check the service history carefully, not just for actual services but where the car was serviced will usually point to where the car lived, i would not want a car known to have possible rust issues that had lived in Scotland due to the excess salt used in winter there, a car that lived on the south coast should in theory have the best chances of being rust free.

The mileage wouldn't worry me unduly so long as the car has been serviced properly, and it runs and drives well on the test drive, and of course is priced according to its mileage.

Its shod on a set of sensible size Michelin Cross Climates by the look of it, they didn't cost £25 a corner, which points to the vehicle not having a penniless previous owner, i consider a matching set of good tyres a very good sign of its previous care, the dics and calipers look to be in good condition too, but obviously wear lips won't show from the angle and distance.

Looks decent enough, very well presented, lots of good pics, i'd certainly go check it out if i wanted one but i have no idea how good or not this example is regarding value.

Edited by gordonbennet on 15/02/2019 at 16:13

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Richard Burroughs

Thanks everyone for the replies lots of good advice.

I'll have a closer look at the civic but I really do like the mazda :).

However reliablity is most important so I'll look at the history etc. I might have a look at the car as it's close to me this weekend. I'll let u guys know.

P.s. that's the due date :p

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - catsdad
Miles as such wouldn't necessarily be a concern. When checking it make sure the service history really is full. Mazda history is recorded centrally on Mazda's system, not in a service book, and I assume this dealer has logged in and got screen prints? Check them carefully.

Do you know how much clobber a baby "needs"? The Mazda boot is medium sized. You might be better with an estate or a hatchback with a larger boot (Civic and Octavia for example). We managed with a Vauxhall Nova 30 years ago but your modern kid comes fully loaded with a lot of space demanding extras ;-).
Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - badbusdriver

I would agree with this, your Fiesta's boot has a capacity of 290 litres, the Mazda 364 litres, not a big difference. A Honda Civic of that age has 477 litres, not to mention a more spacious cabin. For the price of that Mazda you could have a (lower mileage) 2013 civic 1.8.

But the other point i'd make is about how much easier it is to get kids into and out of child seats in a car with higher set seats. When our two were younger, we had a Peugeot Partner Combi, and what a brilliant family car that was. Massive boot, sliding doors, high set seats. Not very fashionable or trendy granted, but we never bothered about such things!.

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Engineer Andy

I own a gen-1 Mazda3 and mine is still fine as regards rust. The gen-3 should be a lot better on that score. Its always worth a phyiscal check for rust, body repair/damage, etc. Ironically this car has done far more miles than mine (65k) - the main things I would check are:

Has it been serviced at a main dealer throughout its 3 year warranty and as per the handbook - that's every 12.5k miles or one year, whichever comes first, AND the type of service required for those mileages. This car has done 20k pa, quite high for a petrol, but perfectly manageable if well cared for.

If the previous owner(s) scrimped on servicing by doing it every 20k/1 year or reducing the level of servicing (missing things out to save money), then I'd be worried. I would want to see evidence of what was done - the current owner can give permission to obtain the electronic service record from Mazda for what was carried out if that work was done at main dealers.

I would also want to know how many owners it has had (don't take the seller's word if its not being sold by a main dealer) - if it has had more than two, then I'd start to be concerned (for a car that new), especially if the service history was not a full main dealer one.

[edit/update] Given the decent tyres fitted all around (same as mine - CCs) - this might be a well-cared for car, as the 205/60 R16 tyres are an unusual size and cost about 25% more than the more standard 55 profile version mine came with originally, so those CC tyres would probably cost £100 each, maybe £115. I'd still check them to see how worn they are - they normally wear well, especially the newer CrossClimate + tyres.

BTW - the claim that this car can achieve 65.7mpg is false. If it IS truly a 2.0 petrol, then that has a tested max mpg of that for the artificial extra urban cycle, but the average tested figure is 55mpg, whilst in the real world will likely get an average of about 44 or so, maybe high 40s if you do more motorway type driving (almost all modern cars have similar drop-offs in mpg from the tested figures). Still good for a 2.0 petrol, and better than my older 1.6 whilst being more powerful and quicker.

Edited by Engineer Andy on 15/02/2019 at 17:28

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Richard Burroughs

Thanks for the info. I noticed the mpg I knew it wasn't true, and that also goes the the road tax....

Ok I might contact them and see if they can send me the service history. Not sure if this is something hey can do as it gives me time to have a close look.

Thanks again.

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Richard Burroughs

Update: the car was sold yesterday :(

Thanks for all your advice I will look around and at the civics

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Richard Burroughs

Guys what about this:

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Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - nellyjak

Hope all goes well with the due date.!..

As for the Vauxhall.?...wouldn't be my choice... reliability is a high priority so I can only repeat my standard mantra...Go petrol...go Japanese.

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - SLO76
These are brilliant little cars with few vices and it’s likely it’s seen plenty of longer distance motorway use with that hearty mileage which is far less wearing on a car than lots of stop start driving but with a view to resale and overall costs I’d probably steer you away. Once it gets to 100k it’ll be worthless and £7k is still a lot of dough to lose.

If you don’t mind me asking how are you financing this purchase? We’re you looking at the dealers finance?
Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Richard Burroughs

I have the money and I don't want to use finance as long term it's worse. However I'm concerned about our drop in income and I don't want to get too low with the new baby.

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - SLO76
Ok. I asked because a bank loan @ 3% APR would’ve saved a substantial amount of money compared to the dealers finance @ nearly 13% (once you include the sneaky extra fees) which in turn would’ve allowed you to buy a lower mileage example for the same payment but if it’s savings and you don’t want to borrow then there’s a fixed budget. What is your maximum spend? I’ll have a wee look in your area for examples of what I’d look at.
Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Richard Burroughs

Thanks, I really try to avoid finance deals. Generally I think if I can't afford it now I shouldn't really be getting it.. Tbh my budget is around £7500. Don't waste too much time as you've already done loads and I do appreciate yours and everyone's input.

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Engineer Andy

SLO has a lot of dealership experience, so if he's offering to help (looking on autotrader for you), I'd take it. He knows what he's talking about and is well respected here.

You might want to think about a slightly older cars, e.g. the gen-2 Mazda3 in 1.6 petrol form (essentially an updated version of mine), the Honda Civic 1.8 petrol, etc.

What you also need to think about is what running costs you can afford - not just the fuel, but servicing and replacement parts (longevity and reliability will be a big factor), tax (less of a problem than it used to be - my car costs about £230 to tax, the gen-2 version costs about £155, the gen-3 2.0 petrol car £30 [pre March 2017] / £140 [March 2017 onwards], the Civic slightly cheaper than the Mazda gen-2), insurance, breakdown cover, etc.

Note also that previous generation cars often come with more popular/standard sized tyres which are far cheaper to replace and you get far more choice. For example, the OEM type summer tyres on my car (205/55 R16V) cost about £60 - £65 each (fitted), the gen-3 car shod on slightly different (you can't tell) 205/60 R16V cost £85 for the same. Check on tyre websites to see the difference - sometimes it can make £100+ difference when buying a set of 4 tyres, especially higher spec or all season tyres.

I'd also get the lowest specced car (gadgets and equipment) you need - the more on board, the more there is (especially electrical ones) to go wrong (expensively). I'd chose on reliability, space needs, comfort (minimum tyre sidewall aspect ratio of 55, up to 65) and lifetime costs. That Honda has a BIG boot for the car's size. I would always go for a thorough test drive on a range of roads (including some that aren't so well surfaced) and speeds to get a good feel of what the car will be like to run.

Make sure the seating position is as best you can get comfortable with before setting off. If you're going to share driving duties, make sure your other half is there to test drive it as well (same rules applies) - some people just can't get comfortable or hate the drive'ride quality on some cars. Better to find out before your buy, as it'll either cause you grief with back problems or you just get rid of it in no time and lose quite a bit on the sale.

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - SLO76
Spotted a few worthy of a look.

Ford Focus 1.6. Excellent to drive, simple to maintain and uses a very reliable Yamaha designed engine that’ll run and run if looked after. This one is an approved used low miler from a main dealer. Avoid Powershift autos and 1.6 diesels. Auto Trader:

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Another Mazda 3 but less miles. Check carefully though as smaller dealers often carry out cheap paint repairs that won’t last.

Auto Trader:

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Toyota Auris Estate. Utterly bulletproof and an easy sell when you’re done with it. Plenty of room too. The diesels can suffer DPF problems, particularly the 1.4. Stick with the petrol and there’s no worries.

Auto Trader:

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Non dealer car with less miles for the same money but again check for poor paintwork.

Auto Trader:

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Edited by SLO76 on 15/02/2019 at 23:19

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Richard Burroughs

Hi all,

Thanks for the replies and the cars above. I've been out so I'm going to have a good l9ok tomorrow. Tbh after my fiesta I would like to avoid Ford's for my next car. I can see what you mean about the boot in the mazda 3. I think we could get away with it but it would not be ideal. Anyway thanks again and I'll give a more in-depth update tomorrow.

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Avant

Until you've had one, you won't believe how much gubbins babies need to be carried around with them when you travel.

As suggested above, a Mazda 3 isn't all that much more roomy than your Fiesta, apart from having 5 doors, which are essential. The petrol Auris estate would be ideal if you can find a good one within budget: also think about a (petrol again) Ford Focus estate. There are more of these to choose from and lots of garages to service them. Or for even more room, a Skoda Octavia estate, but avoid any with DSG transmission.

You could also think about something more 'upright' like a Toyota Verso or Ford C-Max.

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - SLO76
Good point Avant, I got a Honda CRV when we had our son and we could easily fill it when going on holiday anywhere with just one child. A MPV like a Ford C-Max, Mazda 5 or Toyota Verso would be a good idea.

No need to fear Ford if you buy the right one Richard, they can be as reliable as the best Japanese makes and tend to be excellent to drive. Avoid the 1.0 Ecoboost like the plague though and ignore any salesman who tells you otherwise. It’s a bad design with a poor reputation for failure. The 1.6 petrol was designed by Yamaha and is excellent if a bit lacking in urge in the C-Max but then we don’t buy MPV’s for performance.

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Personally though I rather like the two Auris estates I found earlier, both look very clean and there’s no real vices to worry about. Interior is a bit dull but they drive nicely and will no doubt be utterly reliable in the same way my 2010 Avensis Estate is.

Edited by SLO76 on 16/02/2019 at 07:56

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Richard Burroughs

Hi all,

Firstly thankyou for all the amazing input, this forum is really great :)

About the cars these 2 I like the most (i know £500 over budget :/)

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I think I need to see them in person and see what me and my wife think. Tbh I comes down to practicality like you said. If mazda is too small the Toyota really ticks all the boxes. How would u guys look at the cars? I don't want to waste the sellers time if I probably won't be buying.

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - catsdad
If you check the govt MOT history site the Mazda is only covered to April. The dealer maybe OK but is not franchised. The Toyota is main dealer and "approved". Note though it doesnt seem fully clear on service history.

For me its no contest, the Toyota (if service history is OK and it drives well).

There is no harm in looking but why would you look at a car you won't be buying? If you are just browsing, say so and if you then arent interested walk away. Its cheeky to test drive though if you have no buying intention but its up to you.

Edited by catsdad on 16/02/2019 at 09:18

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Richard Burroughs

Yea thats what i meant i dont want to be that person. I'm going to double check my finances and if all is good check out the toyota. Thanks for your help :)

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Richard Burroughs

Also just looking what about this:

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Btw I think after reviewing the mazda is out and it might be between the Toyota and seat. Tbh the Toyota is the perfect car but I would want something more fun if I can. The seat would be less reliable though.....damn decisions...

Edited by Richard Burroughs on 16/02/2019 at 11:11

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - catsdad
Unless you do lots of miles (say 15k plus) most backroomers would not advise a diesel. Seat are part of VW so there is the issue with their being ugraded (or not) because if the emissions scandal. DSG gearboxes are reckoned to be unreliable.

Petrol Seats are better but the issue there is the timing chain. These are subject to failure. Later cars have belts which, while more reliable, need periodic replacement.

All the above issues have been covered multiple times in the forum.

As for fun, you may have to accept that other factors will need to take priority especially if you are on a budget.
Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Richard Burroughs

Thanks for the info. That's why I asked as I knew I was probably missing something. I'll go look at the Toyota as reliablity is number 1.

Have a good weekend and thanks for all your help :)

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - SLO76
Don’t touch any VAG model with a DSG box or the rather weak 1.6 diesel which is prone to plenty of woe. I’d still point you towards the Toyota. You can have exciting when you can afford it later.
Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - MGspannerman

I noticed the original car you were interested in was for sale at the Hollybrook site in Southampton. If you are in the area then I can strongly recommend Snows, the Toyota main dealer. An Auris estate is likely to be bullet proof reliable and Snows are excellent. I suspect your budget is a little low for them as such, but they also have a Too Good To Auction secondhand range of vehicles. I know they have a TGTA site at Hedge End and of course elsewhere no doubt.

Might be worth going along and having a chat about your requirements and seeing what they might have. I can speak from personal experience as to the quality of their service. If you are not car conversant then the modest premium that a main dealer might ask could be a good insurance premium to pay?

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Theophilus

I noticed the original car you were interested in was for sale at the Hollybrook site in Southampton.

I'm sure that it can't be anything other than a coincidence (!) but the photos of the car seem to have been shot in Hollybrook cemetery. (I know it well!)

I would also second the suggestion of Snows Toyota - I've bought several cars from them & found them very good to do business with (so long as you walk away when they tell you they've offered their best price - expect a phone call 24 hours later with a better deal).

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - Richard Burroughs

Thanks guys,

As they are so close i might just pop down in person later this week as it's nice to get a recommendation for a place. Haha on the best price phone call, I will keep that in mind.

Thanks for all your help :)

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 83k miles too much? - SLO76
Yup, good advice. Usually it’s best not to deal on the day, just make a cheeky offer and when they refuse just walk away saying I’ll leave it with you if you can then call me. More often than not they’ll be on the phone to you later in the day or the next with a sharpened offer.

Alternatively when you’re viewing tell them you’ve another car to go and see. Leave and later call to make an offer over the phone stating it’s down to price. The dealer then thinks he has to compete with someone else for your money.

It’s also a good idea to negotiate late in the day when the manager is keen to bag a last minute sale to add to the figures for the day.

Edited by SLO76 on 18/02/2019 at 09:33