The few people i know who have bought used Jaguars over the past decade have usually come to regret the purchase, though the same can be said for many modern cars.

Up to a point it doesn't matter if its a lemon so long as the new buyer can replace it when the warranty expires, just remind me how long the new car warranty is on these and other european brand luxury makes...

I think someone on HJ's problem site said problems on their Bentley were not covered "as it was outside the 3 year warranty period. Bentley of course is part of VW,

Toyota, Kia and Hyundai have the confidence in their engineering to offer longer warranties, wonder why VW don't?

Do Toyota, Subaru, Hyundai and Kia actually have confidence - or simply invest the extra warranty costs in promoting their brand?

My Hyundai Santa Fe spent more time "off-road" being repaired under warranty than all the cars together that I've owned in 40 years - having had the engine/transmission rebuilt at 3 years old, I didn't have the bottle to keep it past its 5-year warranty end date.

Whatever the reasoning, the maker is standing by their product almost twice as long and in Kia's case for more than twice as long as the european marques, that would give me peace of mind if i was a new car buyer, and as used car buyer of vehicles usually long out of warranty (mainly Toyota/Subaru) the long term durability of the overall vehicles are good, also the vehicles have been designed to be worked on (with few notable awkward jobs) so make good choices for the DIYer.

Apart from Toyota's MMT automated manual gearbox (no car maker has made an AM worth a light yet far as i know) you do not hear of the regular drive train failures that plague euro makes with odd gearboxes, maybe the jury is still out on Korean double clutch boxes, not something that would appeal to me anyway, note Toyota/Subaru have given such boxes a wide berth, MMT must have caused major embarrassment at Toyota HQ and they ain't going down that road again.

Not sure where Hyundai went wrong with the Santa Fe, it does seem to have it's share of problems, and it has put me off used Sorentos too for the same reason, pity because both Hyundai and Kia had already established themselves as makers of good value durable old school 4x4's with Terracan and Sorento 1 respectively, how did it go so wrong?

Daughter had one as a loan car and loved it but of course just gave it back when her car was fixed. I always had strong fancy for a Jag but was never brave enough to take one on. Neighbour had a Freelander and it had gearbox problems , went in for a Japanese car.

A neighbour's 17 plate 2.0 AWD auto has just been trailered away...won't go - just creeps a bit, and a suspicious oil leak dripping from the underbody tray bemeath the passenger footwell area. On googling 'F-pace problems' there is already a vast compilation of dissatisfaction. Amazingly, there was a recall because some were fitted with a too short drive shaft! I also read the factory is on a three day week as sales have slumped. Is this young Jaguar going to be a lemon? I await a diagnosis with interest.

JLR's sales slump in 2018 is due to reduction in demand for diesels, which were 80% of their sales, and low sales in China due to Trump's tariff war.

Any weak points on cars won't help the situation.

Agreed - IMHO their (JLR's) preference for style over substance (engineering quality) REALLY doesn't help them at all. IMHO it's the main weakness of many non-oriental so-called 'premium' marques these days.

And putting all their eggs in the one basket of premium diesels (as if the world market won't ever change or sales will keep high or getting better ad-infinitum) is, in my view, a really dumb decision, though it wouldn't be so bad if they built quality (engineered) products. Lexus always seems to turn a tidy profit.

I don't know why JLR just don't get the message about how much of a priority reliability is. Even though most of their sales are to companies, it's just as irritating when a car goes wrong whoever is paying. We complain about problems with German cars when their warranty expires, buit these go wrong when they're new.

JLR also seem to be firmly of the opinion that diesel is still the way forward. You still can't get entry-level trim with petrol engines, only diesel, on either Jaguars and Land Rovers. Is there some good reason for this that I'm missing? It certainly took the E-Pace off my shortlist earlier this year.

You'd think that the decimation of diesel sales this year would have prompted a major review on petrol availability - but they have struggled with WLTP testing, like everyone except PSA Groupe.

Yes I know its now a good few years since i left, (the dealership) but JLR or their equivalent have had quality issues for as long as i can remember. The expiring XJ6 in 1986 was bearable. the XJ40 and the discos and range rovers from then on were dreadful. Nothing has changed in my humble opinion. And none of the Ford Parts bin cars have been good at all.

Edited by oldroverboy. on 31/12/2018 at 17:06

I As you will probably agree, they don’t seem to be cheaping out on components, so where does it all go wrong?

Lots of companies out their riding the high end image wave with a name that once might have stood for solid engineering, but now stands for something else, possibly image which is tricky one because solid engineering will always sell, where image is like fashion, here today gone tomorrow.

In defence of LR, i followed my colleague in his 5 pot Diesel T reg Disco 2 a couple of days ago, still goes like hell handles well and is completely reliable, probably the last green welly Disco/RR, he's been looking at Landcruisers (and quite surprised at the used prices) because he does not want to risk a later model LR.

Edited by gordonbennet on 01/01/2019 at 13:18

As you will probably agree, they don’t seem to be cheaping out on components, so where does it all go wrong?

If you look at the Good and Bad for the Discovery 4 on this site, the main theme for unreliability seems to be engine failure, whether that is down to poor design or owner abuse.

They're a car to be bought new under warranty, after that it's a lottery. Land Rover manage to keep selling them so there will no incentive to make them more reliable or worry about customer goodwill.