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Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - lucklesspedestrian

Hi

I have a friend who is reaching that age and wants to buy something sporty and special for himself whilst the family still have an SUV for kids/wife/shopping etc. Obviously having frequented this forum for many years I instantly suggested the MX5 (his budget is around £21K) and he test drove a 1.5 RF today and of course loved it. Unfortunately he quickly realised that he will have to use it over the winter (rural Scotland) for work commuting and that the MX5 is not really suited for that role. I then suggested an Audi TT, 21K gets him into the mk3, and recommended the 2.0 TFSi or even the 1.8 petrol which seems plenty quick enough. Obviously a quattro would be great but I suspect that even a 2wd with decent tyres would handle most conditions perfectly well (his work has a policy where you can work from home or the nearest base in bad weather conditions).

We had a mk1 TT (1.8 225 quattro) for my wife's 50th and we ran that through 4 Scottish winters with no problem at all, hence the reason I was quick to recommend the latest version.

Just wondering if the good folks here had any alternative suggestions? He's happy with 2 seats, it doesn't have to be convertible and he'll probably do under 10K a year. He's a bit vague other than 'sporty' but does like his toys, connectivity etc. He's also not mechanically minded so wouldn't go down the classic route. He has looked at a GT86 Toyota but I'm guessing that that will have the same winter problems as the mx5 and also won't feel that special inside.

Thanks in advance (again!)

Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - bathtub tom

The Audi TT's a two-seater (unless you're under 4' tall). It has all the failings of an MX5 in icy conditions. If they want to use it in ice and snow, I'd suggest an additional set of wheels fitted with Winter tyres.

Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - drd63
Neither the GT86 or the MX5 feel special inside. If interior ambience is what you’re after get the TT, if you want a real drivers car, light, responsive etc, etc, get the MX5. The Fiat 124 Spider is basically an MX5 with different body and a really well suited 1.4 petrol turbo so might be worth a look. Just put winter tyres on any of them a perfectly good all year round.
Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - SLO76
In my travels as a bus driver mostly on rural trips through Ayrshire I see plenty of MX5’s parked on streets and drives in villages in the back and beyond. There’s no reason why one couldn’t be used through a Scottish winter but for added security a spare set of wheels with winter tyres might make sense.

Or better yet buy a cheap hack and a set of winter tyres to do through the worst of it. This will cut the mileage on the other two more valuable cars and can be a spare or general workhorse. Buy right and it can be extremely cheap to do so. Plus it allows him the freedom to drive a real toy such as an MX5 or GT86.

A Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla from 01-05 can be had in decent order from £500. In fact the 1.4 Civic I sold brother in law a year and a half ago for £560 is now filling the same role and has never cost a penny beyond a couple of tyres.

Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - lucklesspedestrian

If it was me I'd do the hack car idea exactly as you suggest. Unfortunately my friend is against the idea as they have a fairly large motor home as well so that would mean a total of 4 vehicles to cram into the driveway, tax, insure etc so I do get where he's coming from.

Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - Gibbo_Wirral

Believe me, you DO want something like this for commuting.

No matter how crappy your job, popping the top down and driving to work on a crisp autumn day is a better cure for the Monday morning blues than any amount of coffee.

Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - bazza

I am past that age! I had an MX-5, it was fantastic on a sunny day, ok the rest of the time, but 2 seats and no space was limiting. Would it stand the salt, muck and harshness of Scottish winters? Get one with heated seats, if so. I'd rather be in a civic or Corolla over the winter, as SLO suggests . TT is the most uncomfortable car I've ever driven, awful! Great on a smooth continental alpine pass but hopeless in the UK! Another idea, a golf GTi mebbe? One car for all seasons?

Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - barney100

Same situation saw me get an SLK 250, the reason was mainly for the vario roof which after the soft top CLK that grew moss and was a so and so to get off is good. Not sure if the rear wheel drive would handle snow and ice well. It's all down personal choice.

Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - Manatee

MX-5 plus winter tyres plus some rust prevention treatment (Mazda don't seem to believe in this, 3 years salt and an untreated MX-5 could be brown underneath on past performance).

No comparison to a TT really. The TT might have 2 or 3 times the power if that matters (I don't think so, 130bhp in a car weighing under a tonne is enough for me, others differ).

The MX-5 will need to be 'pedalled' in hilly terrain - it needs to be driven, being naturally aspirated. The 124 Spider and the MX-5 are chalk and cheese in that respect.

The MX-5 is not IMO a great motorway car. It's relatively noisy (presumably the tin top will be better than the convertible with the roof up, but wind noise is worse with it down) and being in such a small, low car gives a feeling of vulnerability at times - other drivers can see over it and tend to get too close for comfort. On the plus side, the steering weights up nicely and is not at all twitchy at speed - a benefit of electric assist being that the designer can give the car whatever assistance curve is most suitable without compromising geometry. The Mk4 has significantly more caster than earlier versions, about 2-3 degrees more than the Mk2 IIRC.

I've done 8,000 miles in my MX-5 Mk4 this year, mainly since the beginning of May, including 2,300 miles in 10 days to Lake Garda and back. The only niggle for me is seat comfort, it's a bit lacking in lumbar support.

P.S. - actually it was a lot better on French and Swiss motorways than British ones, because there was less traffic/fewer lanes. It's all the traffic that creates most of the noise. But I still prefer the roof up at 130kph/80mph on a long drive.

Edited by Manatee on 05/10/2018 at 20:21

Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - jthan

Back in the 1990s, I had a Mk1 MX-5, which I loved.

But it was not a winter weather car; rather, RWD and light weight conspired to make it a real handful in slippery conditions. I can still remember one late and dark trip home from work on an empty A road when I couldn't get out of 3rd gear, or up to 30mph, without the tail sliding out on the thin layer of gently falling snow.

And another occasion when the tail came out when I pressed too hard on the accelerator in first gear emerging on a wet road at a T junction.

I'd still recommend an MX-5, but not for wintry conditions in Scotland. Surely those conditions demand FWD under a decent weight of engine with none-too-wide tyres?

Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - Manatee

Winter tyres should make a huge difference. Neither does the MX-5 have excessively wide wheels, the 1.5 runs on 195s.

To be honest I have no experience of one in snow but the worst car I can remember on summer tyres with 2WD was a FWD Audi, the best a FWD Saab 96. A RWD 1965 Morris Oxford wasn't bad at all with my friend George sitting on the boot lid, presumably a bit of weight in the boort would have had the same effect! A Mk2 Escort, RWD and very light at the rear, was fine with 2 bags of sand in the boot.

The MX-5 has good basic balance so I would hope it would be OK with appropriate tyres. Or just stay home in the snow. But I admit I don't know.

Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - nick62
A Mk2 Escort, RWD and very light at the rear, was fine with 2 bags of sand in the boot.

My old man worked at a drop-forging factory. There was always plenty of steel shot available for such situations. Same physical size as a regular sand bag but about three times the weight. He always made it to work and back, (we lived 950 feet ASL in Derbyshire).

The biggest danger was of it falling through the floor of his then 1970's era BMC 1300's

Edited by nick62 on 05/10/2018 at 21:50

Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - Alby Back
I used to use my Westfield to commute from my then home in the Scottish Borders into Edinburgh. No matter what the weather, it was a total hoot. No winter tyres, no abs, no traction control, instead you just had to figure it out for yourself. I think it's called "driving" ;-)
Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - expat

What about a Mustang? If it can handle US winters Scotland would be a doddle.

Mazda MX5 /AudiTT - The old turning 50 car conundrum question - Avant

"The biggest danger was of it falling through the floor of his then 1970's era BMC 1300's."

Interesting - would that be the boot of a RWD Marina or the front passenger footwell of a FWD Austin 1300 or Allegro?

Going back to LP's friend, I think I'd agree with the Golf GTI option, given the variable types of road in rural Scotland. Or a 4wd Golf R iof he can find one withing budget. He'd need a set of winter tyres.

Edited by Avant on 06/10/2018 at 12:26