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Still ok to buy a Used Diesel? - Rashid

I live in London, so perhaps this may effect me more than others.

Am looking to buy a used car and have noticed that for the model I am looking at, Diesels appear cheaper, and more common, ergo more choice.

I had been just looking at Petrol, but was curious what the thoughts were on going for a diesel.

I'm looking at 2009 onwards, budget upto £3K

My concern is in the near future extra charges that may be levied, Road Tax, more emmisions charging, parking permits, etc.

I don't need a diesel, but better MPG would be nice, as would the fact that it opens up my Car Search now.

Any guidance?

Cheers

Still ok to buy a Used Diesel? - SLO76
“I'm looking at 2009 onwards, budget upto £3K

I don't need a diesel, but better MPG would be nice, as would the fact that it opens up my Car Search now.

Any guidance?”

Yup, don’t buy a diesel unless you’re going to spend three times this amount.

They’re much more complex and thus prone to far more in the way of expensive failures and faults. Your money won’t go as far as it would on a petrol equivalent and in general cheap diesels are an utter false economy. Do yourself a favour and keep it simple, stick with something normally aspirated and petrol powered, preferably of Japanese design.
Still ok to buy a Used Diesel? - badbusdriver

Even buying a new diesel for someone who doesn't need one is not that sensible, but with a £3k budget you'd be opening yourself up to all manner of trouble!. You would be looking at a more modern diesel with all the complexity, but you'd be looking at one with quite a lot of miles and owners under it's wheels. Unless you know exactly how it has been driven, serviced and looked after in general, it would be far too big a risk. Can you afford to loose that £3k?

No, as SLO says, keep it simple, especially at this price point, Japanese or Korean, petrol engine. As for gearbox, avoid anything with an automated manual (such as VW's DSG), so manual ideally, but if you must have an auto, make sure it is a torque converter auto or a CVT.

Still ok to buy a Used Diesel? - gordonbennet

The London connection changes things, but under £3k Diesels can be superb buys, so long as you realise you have to find prime and well cared for examples of the better cars which are now getting old.

ie VAG group cars with the 1.9PD lump, PSA cars with the 2.0HDi lump, those pre dpf.

These will probably be outlawed by those in charge of london, if they haven't aleady done so.

Not sure about the emission stuff re where you live, but a pre 2010 Kia Ceed might be worth investigating, no dpf and no dmf either.

Still ok to buy a Used Diesel? - nellyjak

As said..^^^...don't buy diesel.!..your requirements and available budget don't support it.

Still ok to buy a Used Diesel? - Gibbo_Wirral

I went from a 2003 2L diesel Peugeot 307 to a 2008 1.4 petrol Peugeot 308.

The diesel would get about 500 miles per tank, 550 on a good run.

The petrol resturns 460-470 per tank, over 500 on a run.

So don't discount "modern" petrol engines for fuel efficiency.

Still ok to buy a Used Diesel? - Rashid

Thanks for all the replies so far

It wasn’t the efficiency / reliability I was concerned about, not saying that’s not an issue, just one that I feel I can negate with buying the best possible vehicle.

My query was more re how the market is going with regards to a Diesel Backlash

I discounted lots of cars due to questionable condition / servicing

Only reason I’m now ‘possibly’ considering Diesel was as mentioned in my initial post

I have a Diesel Auto Disco 3, had it for 10yrs now, touch wood it’s been excellent
This car is primarily for my son to learn in, (manual) and then use when he passes his test, also perhaps for my wife to use,

Still ok to buy a Used Diesel? - SLO76
At this price point you have the luxury of not having to worry about which direction the market heads, it’s already lost most of its value and even if taxation changes to attack older diesels then you can always sell it on, there will always be a market for anything with four wheels and an Mot. Focus on condition, history, reliability and safety at this money and save up for the inevitable major failure on that Discovery 3, they’re notorious for engine and gearbox problems (particularly the 2.7) as they age, don’t grow overconfident because you’ve been lucky to date.
Still ok to buy a Used Diesel? - Big John



>It wasn’t the efficiency / reliability I was concerned about, not saying that’s not an >issue, just one that I feel I can negate with buying the best possible vehicle.

I wouldn't ignore reliability - at £3k your first major repair on a diesel that age may send it to the scrap yard. Unlike your old Disco post 2009 diesels have much more stringent emissions gubbins such as DPF(some with Eloys), water cooled EGR (not the simpler earlier sort), lots of sensors and SCR may also be fitted depending on the car engine and age. Each of the above can cost well into four figures to sort out. In addition as of 20th May there is a much stricter MOT that will fail any car fitted with a DPF when new if there is any smoke at all (beware cars where DPF has been removed!)

However at 2009 there may be a few exceptions - Kia and Hyundai didn't fit DPF until 2010 and Peugeot 207 1.4 diesel (not bigger cc) wasn't fitted with one until later in 2009/10. As mentioned above you might just find a VAG 1.9pd without a DPF but beware some were fitted with a DPF at this age and this engine didn't suit it (which is why PD was phased out)


>My query was more re how the market is going with regards to a Diesel Backlash
>Only reason I’m now ‘possibly’ considering Diesel was as mentioned in my initial post

There are some great value diesels around but I suspect there may be further backlashes ahead. The first because of the new MOT and then further ones as more Cities ban some diesels. Some have already been banned in some European cities.

If you can find a really good value nearly new diesel then it may be worth it, but at £3k there is a good chance that you may be buying someones previous problem (see above).

How many miles do you do - would that suit an older DPF and worn engine?

Edited by Big John on 10/05/2018 at 21:50

Still ok to buy a Used Diesel? - Rashid

Well Disco wise, I'm looking to sell end of Summer, so just needs to hang in for a few more months

Don't do many miles at all.

I think in reflection, will revert back to Petrol, stave off the potential backlash!

Still ok to buy a Used Diesel? - TheGentlemanThug

A Honda Jazz with the CVT gearbox could be right up your alley.