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Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - mike_maple

Hi, I'm looking to replace my 2007 Fiat Panda 1.3 Multijet, which is coming towards the end of its life, with something perhaps a little roomier, perhaps a compact MPV, petrol rather than diesel, with space & height in the boot for a folding wheelchair (Panda has barely enough depth with seat in use), with a budget of max £5000.

Some must-haves: I'd like the seats to fold down level with the rest of the boot, and some choice of how the rear seats split/slide forward would also be good - the Panda has one bench so not very great. Some storage, whether under the boot floor or otherwise would be good

I also really want a heated front windscreen in this next car, as I'm fed up of waiting 5-10 minutes for the inside to defrost! Air con would be great, though not as important.

Lastly, I'd like something that is reasonably low emission - with the low tax band to match! - and economical to run. I realise that I've asked a lot, but a car that gets most of them right would be great.

Some models I've looked at:

Citroen C3 Picasso. This is the one I've earmarked for a while as being my future car. But it doesn't (I think) have heated windscreen, or low tax, at least in the years I can afford.

Honda Jazz. Looks like a great car for moving about the seats, but don't think the boot is high enough. I know I could flip up the seats cinema style and put wheelchair in the middle, but we usually have other passengers

Ford B-Max & Fiat 500L - both great but beyond my budget

Thanks!

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - SLO76
Is it really so important to save £2-£3 per week on road tax? The only way you’ll get something with low tax but the space you’re asking for is to go for a diesel or spend thousands more on a newer car with a small capacity petrol turbo like Ford’s 1.0 Ecoboost but then these bring with them a whole host of mechanical problems, they just don’t seem to last as well as a simple normally aspirated petrol motor.

If you open up your search a bit £5k is enough to buy a very nice low mileage first gen Ford C-Max with either the Yamaha 1.6 or Mazda 1.8 petrol. These are great to drive, comfortable, spacious, cheap for parts and servicing plus there’s loads to choose from and they usually have that heated front screen, seats too if you get a titanium. You could even get a next gen 1.6 petrol for a bit closer to £6k if you find the earlier car a bit dated. These are a bit better on fuel but I prefer the earlier model to drive. Don’t touch the 1.6 diesel or the 1.0 Ecoboost they’ve an awful reputation for failure. Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20180209357...0




Another good car in this small MPV class is the atoyota Verso. These fetch stronger money so you’ll have to expect an older or higher mileage example but they rarely go wrong and will be easy to sell on again. Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20180220389...4

Edited by SLO76 on 10/03/2018 at 01:54

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - badbusdriver

Your heated windscreen apart, i'd be pointing you in the direction of a kia venga or hyundai ix20. It is a fairly compact car, but very spacious with higher set seats and a deep boot. If you really want a lower tax rate and MPG you will need to look at either the 1.4 or 1.6 diesel, but not sure how much issues they have compared to other more modern diesel's.Your £5k budget could get you into a 2013 car, which in the case of the venga, will still have a couple of years left of the 7 year warranty (though only with full DEALER history).

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - blindspot

old vuaxhall agila don't laugh. fits the bill without spending so much

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - mike_maple

Thanks all for the advice, and sorry to keep you waiting for a reply..!

Blindspot - I considered the Vauxhall Agila last time - but I don't think it'd offer any more space or versatility than my Panda.

Badbusdriver - The Hyundai isn't really enough of an MPV for me. The Venga looks ok, but it doesn't get great reviews.

SLO76 - You're quite right, I'm not going to get the sort of car that I want with the high mpg and low tax that I've been enjoying with the Panda. At least not in petrol.

The S-MAX looks like a good car, but I've decided that it's just too big for me. I've recently found that 'compact MPV' and 'Mini MPV' are different classes - it's Mini MPV that I need I think. Couldn't find many 5 seater Toyota Verso's.

Since posting, I've found a few other models that interest me. The Renault Scenic looks very nice indeed - but again too big. Currently I'm thinking Honda Jazz or Skoda Roomster (the latter still quite big I admit).

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - daveyK_UK
Fiat Qubo 1.4 petrol

Reliable, loads of space and cheap to service
Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - mike_maple

Thanks, yes I did have a look at the Qubo tonight, nice car, but doesn't have the same sort of mpg as the Roomster, more tax too, otherwise would be a serious contender.

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - badbusdriver

Hi Mike, regarding the hyundai ix20, it and the kia venga are essentially the same car, with some minor re-styling front and rear. As for reviews, i hope you were looking at owners reviews, and not from the motoring press?. From my own experience, the only thing they seem to be interested in these days is how fast a car is and how well it handles, neither of which are very high priorities for the average car buyer!. As far as i was aware, the owners of the ix20 and venga like them fine, with only the 1.6 auto being criticised for it's poor economy and lack of performance.

Having said that, we have a current honda jazz, and are huge fans. I know your budget won't get you into the current shape, but another forum member (argybargy) has recently bought a jazz of the age you would be looking at. Maybe he can chip in if he see's this. But the jazz is extremely spacious for its size, extremely versatile, and extremely reliable. I'm not sure off the top of my head what the tax is like, but i'd guess it wouldn't be too bad.

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - mike_maple

Yes I was watching review videos (carbuyer etc), and most of the bad points of the Venga were the handling, noise etc. Didn't realise they were the same chassis! Though the Venga has slightly more MPV style rear seating I think.

Yes, tax is about £110, so not ridiculous. As you say - very versatile and I've heard the reliability is good. Just wish the boot was slightly bigger when the seats are up, but not a dealbreaker.

As for heated windscreen, I've had to give up on that idea. There's no Ford that fits the bill - B-Max too expensive, C-max too big. Ah well!

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - VengaPete

Hi Mike

We have just bought a Venga Auto 1.6 2012.

Good points:- The handling is actually quite taught for everyday driving. We think its pretty quiet unless revved hard.The controls are all easily located and familiar. The rear seats fold flat. The rear seats are a 60:40 split which also independently fold flat. The seat height is quite high for its size and makes getting in and out easy for passengers as well as driver. It has a lot of glass which makes visibility good. The "2" model is a good balance of toys and price. The boot is split level and has a wheel well for a full size or space saver which then gives some boot space under floor storage. You can get a folded wheelchair in the boot if you remove the parcel shelf (we know because we took my wifes when we were looking and tried it). The rear seats move 4 inches forward /back and can be moved independantly on the 60:40 split. The rear seats also have a 3 position recline.

Bad points:- unless you really must, (we did because of health reasons) don't get the auto unless you can afford 2016 onwards when it got a 6 speed. The 4 speed works but its very old technology and it does hinder what appears to be a very lively 1.6 128bhp petrol (non turbo). Kia don't do a manual 1.6 in this model which is shame. Having said that, the petrol 1.4 is also quite lively and the diesels can move briskly by all accounts. The fuel figures on Honest John appear to be about right, the manufacturer figures are "optimistic" at best (same as for all manufacturers). There is a known rust issue on the rear passenger door tops due to a bad seal design. Kia are aware and should remedy if it hasn't already been done. It starts under the seal and isn't an obvious rust spot on the exterior body work.

General points:- compared with our previous car (an Almera Tino) parts seem to be around the same sort of price. A dealer history is preferable but £5K will only get you into a 2011 as despite what the various pricing sites say, these cars do hold their price as they are popular (often used by folks on Motablity) and then bought by people like us who can't get Motability but need a practical high seating car.

Overall we bought ours as it ticked most of our boxes (our ideal car doesn't exist) and apart from the fuel thirst (which we accepted to get the auto) they are actually quite an underrated car. We did also look at a Note but the CVT auto is a disaster waiting to happen. We also looked at a CRV and while nice, it was too high for my wife. We would have liked a look / test drive at a Verso Auto petrol but they are rare and there was nothing local when we were looking. We looked at the ix20 which is mechanically the same car but my wife preferrred the Venga interior. Bearing in mind we wanted an auto, non turbo, high seating, certain size boot, and some specific toys the Venga got closest and was in our price range. I'd recommend you have a go in one before discounting, they really are quite a good package.

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - corax
Couldn't find many 5 seater Toyota Verso's.

The later Verso is classed as a 7 seater, but you wouldn't want to put two adults in the third back row, nevertheless it's very spacious in the back with the seats down. If you can't afford that, the older version was the Corolla Verso. There are plenty of both versions, they will last donkeys years if properly serviced.

I wouldn't worry about trying to find a car with heated windscreen, which will limit you mainly to Fords. The reason you are waiting so long for the car to warm up is it's diesel. They are thermally efficient and put out less waste heat. Virtually any modern petrol will warm up much faster.

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - skidpan

We currently have a Nissan Note Mk 2 (2015 car) and at this very moment the wife is out in it with here mothers fold up wheel chair in the boot.

It has an adjustable height boor floor, put it on the higer level and the floor is flat with the seats and about 2" below the loading lip but still space above for the wheelchair

The rear seats slide back and forwards to maximise bootspace or leg room.

There is a storage bin under the boot floor but we have a full size spare in ours.

No heated screen but never had an issue demisting.

99 CO2 so £0 VED for life.

Ours is actually going in PX in June and it would be a bit above your budget to buy. But a 2014 should be within your budget, they are a great car.

Dad had a Jazz. totally reliable, really versatile but the ride is poor, the seats are poor and they are very noisy.

I honestly think the Note is a better car plus since its less popular than the Jazz its cheaper. Woth the 1.2 DIG-S engine its performance is very good. the plain 1.2 DIG engine is cheaper to buy but its dog slow and higher on emissions.

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - veloceman
Ford Fusion?
Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - badbusdriver
Ford Fusion?

Good call veloceman!.

We used to have one of these back in 2005, a 1.4 petrol. Brilliant little car and so under rated. The motoring press slagged it off, saying there was no point in buying one over a fiesta. But it is taller, so easier to get in and out if you have mobility problems, and a usefully bigger boot than the fiesta with which it shares the floorpan and running gear. And you will get a heated windscreen, though not on all models, so check. Youngest is going to be 2012 though. Engines are 1.4 and 1.6 both in petrol and diesel, but beware, i believe the 1.6 diesel is the oft maligned PSA unit (diesel of doom!)

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - mike_maple

Thanks everyone, so great to get the benefit of your collective knowledge.

Corax, that's really interesting, It does seem to take an age in the Panda, good to know it won't be quite such an issue with petrol.

Ford Fusion - I had briefly considered it but was put off by terrible reviews. Have looked into it tonight again, and it looks suitable in the space category, but rather dull and basic otherwise, other than the heated windscreen. Thanks though for the suggestion.

Nissan Note - this looks like it may be the car for me . It's not quite as versatile seating wise as the Jazz and Roomster, but it's flexible enough, certainly a lot more than my current car, and even a bit roomier than the Jazz. But the diesel-like mpg and £0 road tax are what make it very attractive. I had considered the Note earlier, but that was the first gen one, it looks like they've improved it a lot. One slight niggle is that you have to have the highest trim to get any kind of parking sensor, but it's not a big issue. I'll be sure to opt for the DIG-S engine. Thanks Skidpan! (but what is PX? :-))

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - SLO76
Ford Fusion?

Bit dated to look at and hard work to sell on as no one under 60 will touch it but there’s nothing much wrong with a 1.4 (Yamaha designed) petrol. You’ll get the best low mileage cars for this sort of money, in fact a decent facelift car can be had for £1,500.
Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - Ian_SW

I'm surprised nobody has suggested a Vauxhall Meriva or Skoda Roomster. Both are a bit wierd and not very desirable (so cheap secondhand) but are good for boot space for the size of car. I managed to get a fridge in the boot of a Roomster by just sliding the back seats forward slightly.

Auto trader is showing 63 reg base model petrol versions of each available for the budget.

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - mike_maple

Hi Skodalan, I have been interested in the Roomster over the last couple of days, but I'm thinking it's perhaps a little too big for me after all, though I can imagine it's great for carrying large items!

Think the Note is winning at the moment.

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - SLO76
“Think the Note is winning at the moment.”

I quite like the Note. It’s very practical and certainly good value used. Quality isn’t quite as good as the first gen cars but it is still one of those rare things these days, a Nissan with a Nissan engine. Almost everything else they make now is essentially a rebadged Renault. The chain driven 1.2 3cyl in N/A and supercharged spec should be robust if serviced regularly.

Edited by SLO76 on 14/03/2018 at 00:46

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - skidpan

Thanks Skidpan! (but what is PX? :-))

PX is Part Exchange, the wife is having a Skoda Fabia. Wheel chair still fits in it and whilst not as roomy as the Jazz its big enough for a 2nd car.

As far as specs go I personally think the Acenta is nearly always the winner in any Nissan model. Ours was the Acenta Premium which gave us the sliding rear seat plus auto lights/wipers and sat nav. Not bothered about the last 2 really but the sliding seat is really useful, had it in 2 Micras previously. In truth we got the Premium bit for only a bit extra since the dealer had no Acentas so it was sell us a better model for just a bit more or see us walk.

Don't go looking for a car with parking sensors, cheap enough to fit later. More important to get a good car than any car with sensors.

Recommendations - used mini MPV, wheelchair etc. - mike_maple

Yes, I figured PX out in time - thanks!

No, sensors are not something I'd buy a car for, it just seems strange that they'd not include just simple sensors in the Acenta. I'm sure the super duper one you get with Tekna is great, but a little stingy considering other similar cars fit them. Didn't realise they were cheap to fit afterwards, good to know.