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Mobile charger - getting its power from what?
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Mobile charger - getting its power from what?
I don't think any more electric car drivers will run out of charge on the road than drivers or petrol or diesel cars running out of fuel. But it will happen to a few people who forget to plug their car in overnight or whatever.
The simplest solution would be for a car recovery scheme that includes transporting you and your electric car to the nearest charging station.
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The simplest solution would be for a car recovery scheme that includes transporting you and your electric car to the nearest charging station.
Only to find theres no electric, too many online
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It could also mean breakdown services like the AA having specific vehicles for electric cars out of power, perhaps something with a powerful generator, or just a really big battery pack which could top up stranded cars?.
Not sure how similar the battery technology is, but i was reading a review about a CAT rugged smartphone with a massive battery and it could be used to top up the battery on other phones.
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"There will soon be a mobile charger available on the market."
I want to know how a mobile charger (what is this, exactly? A "portable" charger - like, something small?) would work. A technical explanation, James? How will it produce electricity? And how will it produce enough to charge the enormous batteries of an electric-only car?
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If your EV runs out of charge maybe the local plod could Taser it, 50,000volts might kick it into life!! Seriously these cars are going nowhere fast with their present technology and charging facilities. The subsidies to buy them will probably go the same way as solar panels with the goverment pulling the rug.
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"...pulling the rug."
Or pulling the plug.
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200-500kg for an elecric car battery.. so any refill battery will have to be 1tonne at least..
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200-500kg for an elecric car battery.. so any refill battery will have to be 1tonne at least..
That shouldn't be too much of a problem, unless huge numbers are going flat. The Iveco Daily van can be had with a payload of up to 4140kg (and that figure is from a few years ago, so quite possible the current version will take more).
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Electric vehicles just aren’t cost effective at present. But if technology can double the battery capacity, we could halve the battery weight, which would increase the range, possibly significantly given that there is less battery to carry. I was reading recently about a new breakthrough which would do just that if it makes it from the lab to the high street. That is a big if.
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"There will soon be a mobile charger available on the market."
I want to know how a mobile charger (what is this, exactly? A "portable" charger - like, something small?) would work. A technical explanation, James? How will it produce electricity? And how will it produce enough to charge the enormous batteries of an electric-only car?
It will work as a wireless charger does for a mobile phone, portable enough to put several in a van and slide under a car then connect to the mains, I think BMW are in the process of making one for release next year
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"There will soon be a mobile charger available on the market."
I want to know how a mobile charger (what is this, exactly? A "portable" charger - like, something small?) would work. A technical explanation, James? How will it produce electricity? And how will it produce enough to charge the enormous batteries of an electric-only car?
It will work as a wireless charger does for a mobile phone, portable enough to put several in a van and slide under a car then connect to the mains, I think BMW are in the process of making one for release next year
That was my understanding as well
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"....slide under a car then connect to the mains."
That still isn't the answer for the people who would benefit most from EVs - those who live in towns and cities, most of whom park on the street. Some form of remote charging needs to be invented - no doubt it will be if it isn't already being developed.
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"....slide under a car then connect to the mains."
That still isn't the answer for the people who would benefit most from EVs - those who live in towns and cities, most of whom park on the street. Some form of remote charging needs to be invented - no doubt it will be if it isn't already being developed.
remote control ev charging control and connection is already here (search google) if the BMW system is used it can make parking spaces wireless chargers with your mobile phone in control, system mentioned before is emergency slide unit for those who run out of electric
built in system would work in parking spaces below road level and charged to your account via smartphone, which could be connected directly to the road cable, though same problem may occur where too many are connected and slow charging rate which is not as yet mentioned
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The main problem with electric cars at the moment is that they can only be bought by people who could afford the petrol.
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The way forward is for electric cars for cities use only, and they are shared. You only pay for what you use. The rest of us will have to use the ICE or hybrid for a while yet. Lets not forget we will need to build a lot more power stations to cope with the increase in demand required for electric cars. Wind energy and solar will not be enough. Very large grid scale batteries are still decades away. We will need to let those nice Chinese and French build some more large power stations.
Edited by sandy56 on 06/07/2018 at 11:14
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The way forward is for electric cars for cities use only, and they are shared. You only pay for what you use. The rest of us will have to use the ICE or hybrid for a while yet. Lets not forget we will need to build a lot more power stations to cope with the increase in demand required for electric cars. Wind energy and solar will not be enough. Very large grid scale batteries are still decades away. We will need to let those nice Chinese and French build some more large power stations.
Arguably electric cars won't have much effect on overall energy demand if it's true that it takes as much energy to refine the fuel for an IC car as it would to run an equivalent electric car for a similar distance.
Wind energy and solar will not be enough all of the time, but if we doubled that sector compared to now, we'd be getting over half our electricity from those sources for much of the time.
Large grid-scale batteries are already in existence or under construction although energy storage is only a small factor in the supply system at the moment.
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Except that a) cars do not as yet have wireless charing pads built in, b) wireless charging is inefficient compared to a direct connection hence wasteful, c) it would require everyone to standardise on the same charging mechanisms, d) it would charge slowly unless each car had a fast charge hardware e) even with fast charging it takes half an hour, f) it would require large vehicles preloaded with batteries or some form of generator on board with petrol/diesel tanks.
In addition we do not have the infrastructure. Charging points are limited and it would need the tearing up of pavements to install them, with massive disruption. And we do not have the electric generating capacity to support large numbers of leccy cars.
Apart from those minor points, it's great.
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All this talk of charging infrastructure and power stations is very relevant BUT if teh local electrical substation cannot cope - and/or teh local electricity cables are old, or limted in capacity then you can have all the charging stations in the world but if too many connect at once, tthe cabling /and/or/ teh sub station will not cope..
I have seen overhead electricity cables smoking (yes really) due to overloads.. All very well for those in cities with modern underground cables. But teh suburbs with miles and miles of equipment and cabling installed in the 1960s will require LOTS of new equipment - and roads dug up etc..
Strangely enough no-one mentions that.
Of course if you have local storage and new cabling from there to charging points, that will ease teh situation.. Except that requires space - and space is at a premium usually in those areas..
Nothing new or earth shattering.. just a major review and revamp.. And if a local substation does overload, weeks to repair if very old.
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Strangely enough no-one mentions that.
I did.
This reminds me of self driving cars. Sounds great. But my new car has emergency braking assist that fires for no reason, wipers that failed after one month, a key that failed after two months, and numerous glitches with the entertainment system. And they want to make something massively more complex that will drive autonomously? Ha ha ha ...
I fear that reports of the death of the petrol car and driver have been exaggerated.
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What happened to hydrogen fuel cells ? These were always touted as the alternate to batteries. Fuel stations could use night-time electricity to convert water and we could fill up quickly. Thw whole idea seems to have gone into some 'Tomorrows World' graveyard.
I want to see driverless trains well before driverless cars. We already have working examples (DLR), but the idea has not been rolled out - and train drivers are now very expensive, at least compared to bus drivers.
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What happened to hydrogen fuel cells ? These were always touted as the alternate to batteries. Fuel stations could use night-time electricity to convert water and we could fill up quickly. Thw whole idea seems to have gone into some 'Tomorrows World' graveyard.
I want to see driverless trains well before driverless cars. We already have working examples (DLR), but the idea has not been rolled out - and train drivers are now very expensive, at least compared to bus drivers.
Unless im mistaken the only place that is using fuel cell is California, I read a report that it cost someone over 100 dollars to fill up a Honda clarity which did 300 miles on that tank
though I think it would be more practical staying with hybrid untill hydrogen is more readily available
I noticed more EV charging points being installed at motorway services but not being used
I thought it was the train drivers that were holding driverless trains back due to safety concerns, not heard anything about it since....
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"I want to see driverless trains well before driverless cars."
I can't say how soon that will be (driverless trains), but the Thameslink "central core" between St Pancras and Blackfriars is now computer-operated, as the system is designed to run the trains as close as two minutes apart.
Maybe it's the beginning of something bigger.
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A big fly in the ointment as far as the UK's secure electricity supply will be whether the EU countries that sell electricity to the UK are prepared to keep propping up the UK national grid by selling the UK power via the undersea connectors after Brexit.
Right now about 10% of the UK power demand is being supplied from sources not in the UK.
So - electric vehicles could take a back seat as a non -essential after Brexit just to keep the lights on.
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A big fly in the ointment as far as the UK's secure electricity supply will be whether the EU countries that sell electricity to the UK are prepared to keep propping up the UK national grid by selling the UK power via the undersea connectors after Brexit.
Right now about 10% of the UK power demand is being supplied from sources not in the UK.
So - electric vehicles could take a back seat as a non -essential after Brexit just to keep the lights on.
While I think Brexit is going to be very harmful to Britain, I don't think the undersea connectors will be affected. The connectors will still be there and presumably they are two-way, so although it's normally us getting electricity from France it could work the other way round if need be. In any case the French government (EDF) owns several of the power stations in Britain, parts of the supply network and is one of the partners in the Hinkley Point C project.
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Surely the solution if you are worried about running out of power in your electric car is just to tow a diesel generator behind; just connect it and fire it up when the battery runs out and you are on your way. :-)
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Just caught something on the news today about more houses being fitted with charging points for electric cars, or did they say that more charging points should be fitted, either way, the issue will be power generation if demand goes up, we are already being warned of blackouts in winter.
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Just caught something on the news today about more houses being fitted with charging points for electric cars, or did they say that more charging points should be fitted, either way, the issue will be power generation if demand goes up, we are already being warned of blackouts in winter.
Building regulations are being altered to include fitting of EV electric sockets on every new build, so they say, not sure when it comes in but won`t be long from the sound of it
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