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New Classic Cars - papakevkev

I recently had the good fortune to visit JLR's heritage centre at Ryton for a tour of the facility. As well as restoring Mark 1 E Types, Land Rovers and Range Rovers to as-new condition, JLR were building 'new' cars from scratch. Six brand new E Types had already been built and sold. Nine brand new XKSS cars were in the process of being built. Eight of these had been sold (each costing 'well in excess of a million'), with the ninth being kept at the centre. We now hear that brand new Defenders are again being built... 150 grand anyone?

Aston Martin has also jumped on the bandwagon and is to build the DB4 again. Not sure of the price, but seven figures would not seem unreasonable to expect.

Here's a question for all of you forum folk... Which cars would you like to see built again?

I am certain that other manufacturers will follow the lead of JLR and Aston Martin. Ferrari Dino? Lambo Miura? Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing? BMW 3.0CSL? Porsche 911?

What do you reckon?

New Classic Cars - elekie&a/c doctor
MG Montego ,with the talking digital dashboard.”warning, the oil pressure is low,the handbrake is on”.I found a genuine Austin Rover repair manual for this in my garage during an Xmas clearance.So should be able to fix it!

Edited by elekie&a/c doctor on 17/01/2018 at 19:07

New Classic Cars - RT

The Defenders aren't brand new - new ones can't be sold in the EU or UK as they're out of safety standards approval - they're being "re-manufactured" which means reusing the minimum number of components to allow it's original identity and registration but I imagine everything else is new.

New Classic Cars - papakevkev

Not new?

http://www.carsuk.net/land-rover-defender-works-v8-sees-the-return-of-land-rovers-iconic-4x4/

New Classic Cars - RT

Not new?

http://www.carsuk.net/land-rover-defender-works-v8-sees-the-return-of-land-rovers-iconic-4x4/

If you read the llink fully, it states "Land Rover Classics are re-engineering 150 Defenders to the V8 Works spec in both 90 and 110 guise, with the Works V8 90 costing from £150,000.

New Classic Cars - craig-pd130
MG Montego ,with the talking digital dashboard.”warning, the oil pressure is low,the handbrake is on”.I found a genuine Austin Rover repair manual for this in my garage during an Xmas clearance.So should be able to fix it!

Ha, I remember Chris Goffey (the ex Autocar journo and Top Gear presenter) writing about rolling an MG Maestro during a track test. He's in the car upside down, still strapped in, steam gently seeping from the bonnet area, and the talking dashboard says: "Warning - the oil pressure is low ..."

New Classic Cars - badbusdriver

The 911 is already very well catered for through Singer in the USA and PS autoart in the UK (for those with a slightly smaller budget!).

But yes, it is a highly lucrative new market. I do know that with regards to competition cars, there is some debate as to whether or not they should be allowed to compete with original cars.

A few i would like to see would be, in no particular order,

Tatra T87 or T603

Pegaso Z102

Talbot Lago T150

Bugatti Atlantic

Citroen SM

Doble steam car (any of them, but a model E, like Jay Leno, has springs to mind)

Some pretty obscure choices i know, but there are many, many more!

New Classic Cars - P3t3r

Mini!

Modernise it a bit (rust proofing and modern engines etc.) and it would be a great car!

New Classic Cars - badbusdriver

Mini!

Modernise it a bit (rust proofing and modern engines etc.) and it would be a great car!

Sorry P3t3r, but you are way, way too late for that. Quite apart from the fact that new (properly rustproofed) shells have been available from British Motor Heritage for years now, if your love of the mini runs as deep as your wallet will need to be, there is this;

www.davidbrownautomotive.com/mini-remastered/

New Classic Cars - Auristocrat

AC427/428

Iso Grifo

Austin Champ

Mini Moke

Monteverdi 375

Gordon Keeble

Edited by Auristocrat on 17/01/2018 at 21:27

New Classic Cars - badbusdriver

AC427/428

Iso Grifo

Austin Champ

Mini Moke

Monteverdi 375

Gordon Keeble

One of the problem of being so obsessively into cars is that when I see something which really exites me (i.e, unusual or rare), I can't tell anyone, because no one I know would understand the significance of what I had seen!. This was the case at some point during my 1st year as a self employed window cleaner when one day I was driving along minding my own business when I became aware of a classic car behind me. It was none other than a Gordon Keeble!, but who would I tell, and would they care?!.

But yes, definitely the Gordon Keeble!.

As for Monteverdi, I'd go for the Hai.

And how about the DeTomaso Mangusta?

New Classic Cars - papakevkev

Mangusta, definitely. Apparently, it had a lot of problems which were (allegedly) ironed out on the Pantera, but the mongoose is by far the better looking... One of Guigiaro's early masterpieces (as was the Gordon Keeble).

New Classic Cars - Metropolis.
Triumph stag
New Classic Cars - 72 dudes

Mazda 3 or Honda Civic.

Oh, hang on. No, those are the answers to every other thread on here. :-)

New Classic Cars - Metropolis.

"insert japanese or korean t/converter hatchback here" lol

New Classic Cars - veryoldbear

I think I would quite like a Saab 96 which could be propelled by one of these new-fangled 3-cylinder engines

New Classic Cars - badbusdriver

I think I would quite like a Saab 96 which could be propelled by one of these new-fangled 3-cylinder engines

The first of those 'new fangled' (4 stroke) 3 cylinder engines was powering a suzuki alto before the 96 went out of production.

And of course the 96 started out with a 3 cylinder engine, albeit a 2 stroke.

I'm with you there though, love the old Saab's!.

New Classic Cars - SLO76

Mazda 3 or Honda Civic.

Oh, hang on. No, those are the answers to every other thread on here. :-)

Here you go! www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20170320348...3

Edited by SLO76 on 19/01/2018 at 13:49

New Classic Cars - John F

Here's a question for all of you forum folk... Which cars would you like to see built again?

1933 Auburn V12 speedster.

But seriously, I wouldn't like to see any classic cars being rebuilt. To do so would destroy their historic mystique and rarity factor.

New Classic Cars - Avant

1939 Lagonda 'drophead coupe'. The ultimate 'classic car'.

New Classic Cars - John F

Excellent choice. Nothing better than 12cyl motor cars:-)

New Classic Cars - RT

Excellent choice. Nothing better than 12cyl motor cars:-)

Oh there is - a V16 but not many built

New Classic Cars - John F

Excellent choice. Nothing better than 12cyl motor cars:-)

Oh there is - a V16 but not many built

A few were indeed built umpteen years ago, but did not prove to be better. But a Bugatti Chiron W16......possibly the ultimate new classic car?

New Classic Cars - RT

The W16 isn't a classic engine, nor is a W12 or W8 - sharing a cylinder head over 2 banks of cylinders causes massive compromise.

Cadillac's V16 suffered from being introduced just at the time of the Great Depression and killed by the US entry into WW2 - but regarded as one of the world's classics nevertheless.

New Classic Cars - Avant

Given the state of brake and tyre development in the 1930s, the straight-six version of the Lagonda was probably the better bet.

Edited by Avant on 20/01/2018 at 14:42

New Classic Cars - John F

The W16 isn't a classic engine, nor is a W12 ....... sharing a cylinder head over 2 banks of cylinders causes massive compromise.

I think time will prove you wrong. If his grandfather hadn't been voted car engineer of the century I suspect their progenitor, Ferdinand Piech, might have been. The W12 is a remarkably well-engineered and hugely successful design, taking up less space than its V8 cousins, and after 15yrs of development still selling well internationally in various models. What is the 'massive compromise'?

New Classic Cars - RT

Like the VR6 design, a single cylinder head has to cope with what is effectively a narrow-angle V6 which compromises valve angles, valve operating levers/links and port length.

blogs.solidworks.com/teacher/2011/06/w16-engine-th...l

New Classic Cars - John F

Like the VR6 design, a single cylinder head has to cope with what is effectively a narrow-angle V6 which compromises valve angles, valve operating levers/links and port length.

blogs.solidworks.com/teacher/2011/06/w16-engine-th...l

I think this is a link to an engineering student's project. If you want to know how a W12 works, here's a link to the real McCoy.

procarmanuals.com/vag-ssp-267-6-0-l-w12-engine-aud.../

I wish more manufacturers would provide these ssp s for geeks like me.

New Classic Cars - Metropolis.
How refreshing debating W12s instead of the usual identikit 4pot hatchbacks!
Can’t say i’d complain if i had a W12, must be immensely smooth!
New Classic Cars - Oli rag

Lancia Fulvia

Gordon Keeble

Alvis TD21

Lotus Cortina Mark 1

Lotus Elan

Saab 96 2 stroke

Hasn't got 4 wheels but have to list it - Suzuki Gt750 kettle.

New Classic Cars - John F
How refreshing debating W12s instead of the usual identikit 4pot hatchbacks! Can’t say i’d complain if i had a W12, must be immensely smooth!

It is - utterly delightful, and amazingly nimble. Forty years ago I briefly had a rusty old series one XJ6 4.2; around 200bhp driving the back wheels. The SWB A8 reminds me of it, but with an extra 200bhp driving the front wheels! But it is now a dinosaur - these complicated large engines remind me of the fiendishly complex rotary aero engines just before they were replaced by jet engines with only about three moving parts to go wrong. The future is clearly hydrogen or electricity......(although dinosaurs did actually last a long time!)

New Classic Cars - RT
How refreshing debating W12s instead of the usual identikit 4pot hatchbacks! Can’t say i’d complain if i had a W12, must be immensely smooth!

It is - utterly delightful, and amazingly nimble. Forty years ago I briefly had a rusty old series one XJ6 4.2; around 200bhp driving the back wheels. The SWB A8 reminds me of it, but with an extra 200bhp driving the front wheels! But it is now a dinosaur - these complicated large engines remind me of the fiendishly complex rotary aero engines just before they were replaced by jet engines with only about three moving parts to go wrong. The future is clearly hydrogen or electricity......(although dinosaurs did actually last a long time!)

The FWD versions of the A8 didn't have more than 233 PS from the 3.7 V8 - the higher-powered versions had quattro 4wd.

The VW Group W12 isn't yet a dinosaur - Bentley build them for the Continental and Bentayga - not sure if the W12 is built elsewhere in the group or whether Bentley build them all now.

Rotary aero engines, where the cylinders rotated with the propeller were a dead-end after WW1 - the air-cooled radial engines that followed were simpler and more reliable than the glycol-cooled conventional engines like the Merlin, but more bulky for the same power output.

New Classic Cars - badbusdriver
How refreshing debating W12s instead of the usual identikit 4pot hatchbacks! Can’t say i’d complain if i had a W12, must be immensely smooth!

It is - utterly delightful, and amazingly nimble. Forty years ago I briefly had a rusty old series one XJ6 4.2; around 200bhp driving the back wheels. The SWB A8 reminds me of it, but with an extra 200bhp driving the front wheels! But it is now a dinosaur - these complicated large engines remind me of the fiendishly complex rotary aero engines just before they were replaced by jet engines with only about three moving parts to go wrong. The future is clearly hydrogen or electricity......(although dinosaurs did actually last a long time!)

The FWD versions of the A8 didn't have more than 233 PS from the 3.7 V8 - the higher-powered versions had quattro 4wd.

The VW Group W12 isn't yet a dinosaur - Bentley build them for the Continental and Bentayga - not sure if the W12 is built elsewhere in the group or whether Bentley build them all now.

Rotary aero engines, where the cylinders rotated with the propeller were a dead-end after WW1 - the air-cooled radial engines that followed were simpler and more reliable than the glycol-cooled conventional engines like the Merlin, but more bulky for the same power output.

I think he means 200bhp going through the front wheels as well as 200bhp going through the rears.

New Classic Cars - SteveLee

If I could buy a brand new Citroën CX Turbo 2 today - I would in a heartbeat. The car I most regret selling ever.

There are also three cars on my list I nearly bought but didn't and still regret not doing so Citroën BX GTi 16v, MG Maestro Turbo and (this may surprise some people) Škoda Rapid 130 coupe (yes the Iron block rear engined jobbie) - I loved driving those - dynamically rubbish but tonnes of character.

New Classic Cars - badbusdriver

Doesn't surprise me at all about the skoda Steve, though my memories of contemporary roadtests rated the dynamics rather better than you!. But yes, i do like the old rear engined skoda's, and while at the time they were the butt of many people's jokes regarding reliability, the fact is they were incredibly successful in their class in rallying, something which would not be the case if they were not tough and reliable!. Back in the late 80's me and my pal were ridiculed for our cars, he had a skoda 105 and i had a lada 1600.

I'm also a big fan of your other choices, but do you (or any other members) remember that mental CX advert where it was driven out of Grace Jones mouth!!. As for the BX, much as i like the 16V, i'd actually like a fairly basic 1.4 petrol or the legendary 1.9 diesel. I think the lines of the car work best without any spoilers or bodykits.

The maestro is very much a forgotten hot hatch, and it really was hot, with 0-60 coming up in 6.7 seconds. Worthwhile buying one now and looking after it, if you can find one, as they only made 505.

As for my own 'near misses' (which i wistfully think back on, wondering "what if?"), they included an early saab 900 turbo, a renault 30TS, an opel monza 3.0 and a lhd ex German military police ford granada 2.8i (MK2).

New Classic Cars - SteveLee

As for my own 'near misses' (which i wistfully think back on, wondering "what if?"), they included an early saab 900 turbo, a renault 30TS, an opel monza 3.0 and a lhd ex German military police ford granada 2.8i (MK2).

Amazingly I've owned three of the cars you mention! (Used.) The Renault 30 was extremely comfy (almost as comfy as the CX) but had legendary understeer - in fact only a Talbot Rancho I had the misfortune to drive understeered worse, sort of felt like big Maxi to drive. The SAAB was a hoot (although the boost limiting cut-out was a bit crude), that understeered then snap oversteered which kept you honest in the wet but I loved it – for some reason you always felt a step above getting out of the thing – dunno why, and the Monza was an excellent hander – very comfortable and an impressive mile cruncher – shame about the rust as it didn’t really have any other glaring faults, I later revisited the same engine in the form of an Opel Senator 3.0 (The Omega based one) - a truly great car - very under-rated, I honestly think it was better than the BMW 5 series of the day - certainly more refined.

The “standard” MG Maestro EFi was a brilliant car – fantastic chassis with waves of torque that could be driven quickly without revving it hard – a bit like a Dolomite Sprint in that respect. As you say the Turbo was a real hot-rod, the Tickford tweaked suspension moved it up a step further and the performance (dominated by torque-steer, it must be said) was staggering. Some who drag-raced them at Santa Pod RWYBs used to take the steering pump belt off – which shaved half a second off the quarter mile as it stopped the driver over-compensating for the torque-steer and throwing traction away. I remember fairly stock ones running low 15s giving the breathed-on Cossies a hard time, there was also a particular one pumped up to silly boost levels (complete with big intercooler) running constant low 14s and occasionally flirting with the 13s. Unheard of in a front wheel drive car at the time.

New Classic Cars - John F
The VW Group W12 isn't yet a dinosaur - Bentley build them for the Continental and Bentayga - not sure if the W12 is built elsewhere in the group or whether Bentley build them all now.

I think they are still made in Saltzgitter for Audi/VW cars. The ones for Bentleys are indeed made in Crewe now (not sure if they are actually 'made' or just assembled). I hope the quality is the same.

I think he means 200bhp going through the front wheels as well as 200bhp going through the rears.

Of course. Pointless having more than about 250 horses and 2WD; unless it's bone dry the traction control will block them. And I suspect the two driven tyres would last no time at all, unless they were absurdly large, which they often are if RWD (e.g. virtually every other 12cyl I can think of) - and then you can't swap them round to even up the wear. Must cost a fortune for Aston Martin owners!

New Classic Cars - RT
The VW Group W12 isn't yet a dinosaur - Bentley build them for the Continental and Bentayga - not sure if the W12 is built elsewhere in the group or whether Bentley build them all now.

I think they are still made in Saltzgitter for Audi/VW cars. The ones for Bentleys are indeed made in Crewe now (not sure if they are actually 'made' or just assembled). I hope the quality is the same.

I think he means 200bhp going through the front wheels as well as 200bhp going through the rears.

Of course. Pointless having more than about 250 horses and 2WD; unless it's bone dry the traction control will block them. And I suspect the two driven tyres would last no time at all, unless they were absurdly large, which they often are if RWD (e.g. virtually every other 12cyl I can think of) - and then you can't swap them round to even up the wear. Must cost a fortune for Aston Martin owners!

i was unsure if the W12 was still made in mainland Europe - I'd imagine that all the components are then shared between the two plants for assembly - I hope the Bentley quality is even better than the VW/Audi version.

My misunderstanding about A8 FWD power output

New Classic Cars - bazza

Someone mentioned the Lotus Cortina-- yes please! Although a simple formula, I have a real liking for the Fast Fords of the 60s and 70s, although are they actually classics or just nostalgic yesterday cars that I never owned because I was too young or didn't have the money. But the RS1600, Mexico, RS 2000 etc are right there on the top of my wish list. Fast forward a decade and there's the Golf 1.8 GTI MK1 and the Peugeot 205 GTI 1.9, both examples of the purest hot hatch. Any of those, plus of course the 1275 Cooper S,if I could buy one today....... brand new.

New Classic Cars - corax

But the RS1600, Mexico, RS 2000 etc are right there on the top of my wish list.

I had a Mk2 Escort with a badly done 2.0 pinto conversion, but it was huge fun. That car taught me about crude axles that aren't located properly - I went round a bend too fast on a dry road and the body squirmed sideways making it feel like the back was stepping out. Well it was, but the tyres stayed where they were :-)

A friend had a similar car but he had a rebored 1600 crossflow, stage 3 heads and twin carbs. On the back lanes with rain chucking down we would approach a turning, and he would have it sideways up the next road.

Different era.

New Classic Cars - RT

But the RS1600, Mexico, RS 2000 etc are right there on the top of my wish list.

I had a Mk2 Escort with a badly done 2.0 pinto conversion, but it was huge fun. That car taught me about crude axles that aren't located properly - I went round a bend too fast on a dry road and the body squirmed sideways making it feel like the back was stepping out. Well it was, but the tyres stayed where they were :-)

A friend had a similar car but he had a rebored 1600 crossflow, stage 3 heads and twin carbs. On the back lanes with rain chucking down we would approach a turning, and he would have it sideways up the next road.

Different era.

In those days, 70 profile tyres bwere regarded as ultra-low profile - no wonder it squirmed.

Roger Clark was the ace with mk1/2 rally Escorts - his book is "Sideways to Victory" - magic to watch though.