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All - Drop in new car sales - barney100

New car sales have dropped with diesel models sold apparently down significantly. I don't buy new but wonder how down the line prices of used cars will be affected and for new car buyers if they will see price changes.

All - Drop in new car sales - daveyK_UK

I want to buy a citroen and despite finding a decent list price discount, due to the weak pound the car is £1500 dearer than it was last year (after discount).

All - Drop in new car sales - RT

I want to buy a citroen and despite finding a decent list price discount, due to the weak pound the car is £1500 dearer than it was last year (after discount).

Find a better deal, you're being conned - the £-Euro rate has only changed 1.5% over the last 12 months.

All - Drop in new car sales - daveyjp

12 months probably isn't long enough for the effect of the 2016 exchange rate fall to be felt.

Importers and dealers will have been OK during 2017 as they will have played the currency markets months before and priced accordingly.

They will now be pricing based on 2017 exchange rates and future forecasts.

All - Drop in new car sales - colinh

It took about six months for UK prices in general to react to the 15+/- % drop in sterling that occurred immediately following the referendum, due to the supply line lags

All - Drop in new car sales - NARU

It took about six months for UK prices in general to react to the 15+/- % drop in sterling that occurred immediately following the referendum, due to the supply line lags

Yep. I'd been thinking of a new car for a while - so went out promptly after the £ drop to get my order in.

Getting back to the main topic, the volume of car sales was unsustainable. People were buying new cars based on finance 'bribes' of low PCP deals. It had to come to an end sooner or later.

Edited by Marlot on 11/01/2018 at 12:16

All - Drop in new car sales - Manatee

to the main topic, the volume of car sales was unsustainable. People were buying new cars based on finance 'bribes' of low PCP deals. It had to come to an end sooner or later.

That's exactly right. Moving into PCP means borrowing about 50% of the price of a car permanently. It's a one off boost to car sales and once everybody who is going to do it (over 80% of new car buyers, apparently) has done it, they are stuck on the 3/4 year cycle. Sagging used values will only make it harder to change early by reducing equity.

They have in effect been bribed with their own money via a loan, which they have to pay interest on.

All - Drop in new car sales - Engineer Andy

to the main topic, the volume of car sales was unsustainable. People were buying new cars based on finance 'bribes' of low PCP deals. It had to come to an end sooner or later.

That's exactly right. Moving into PCP means borrowing about 50% of the price of a car permanently. It's a one off boost to car sales and once everybody who is going to do it (over 80% of new car buyers, apparently) has done it, they are stuck on the 3/4 year cycle. Sagging used values will only make it harder to change early by reducing equity.

They have in effect been bribed with their own money via a loan, which they have to pay interest on.

Sounds like a Ponzi scheme or market bubble to me...I'm gonna stick with cash (well, bankers' draft/building society cheque) for the moment. It'll be interesting to see the level of discounting around the reg change time at the start of March though - back in 2016 I noticed many blindly good deals, but very few/nowhere near as good in 2017, except for some VAG unsold new/pre-reg diesel powered cars that presumably couldn't be shifted due to the 'Dieselgate' scandal. Very quiet on good deals in my neck of the woods since, not even in December/early Jan.

Maybe sanity is returning to the market after years of too larger discounts in one year and higher prices in another, though as many have said, the effects of the Brexit vote (and/or perhaps other factors) leading to the Pound depreciating quite a bit against the Dollar, Yen and Euro taking longer to feed through the supply chain than many people thought.

All - Drop in new car sales - colinh

Perhaps a more accurate thread title would be "Drop in car registrations" - given that a year or so ago it was reported that up to 20% of registrations were to dealers' stock, so they could earn their volume bonuses. Given the general tightening of credit, it is likely that this practice has become too costly. Perhaps there'll be a reduction in the number of "nearly new" cars for sale

All - Drop in new car sales - FoxyJukebox

I don't see much change for second hand prices unless there is a massive surge in those who suddenly wake up to the fact that if they are currently running a good old car--it is so much cheaper than changing UP!

Edited by Doubleug on 11/01/2018 at 13:36

All - Drop in new car sales - CK91437

Diesels car sales are pretty much dead now.

All - Drop in new car sales - Manatee

>>Diesels car sales are pretty much dead now.

Not yet. A more credible prediction would be a slow decline, over 5 years or more, to 10%-15% of new car sales.

Ironically, adding extra taxes to the purchase cost of new diesels might actually support used prices.

All - Drop in new car sales - RT

Diesels car sales are pretty much dead now.

20% down isn't dead - CO2 levels are already rising in the UK due directly to reduced sales of diesel - when government wakes up to that, they'll start hitting medium/large petrols with higher taxation.

For load carrying cars, there's not cost-effective alternative to diesel.

All - Drop in new car sales - Metropolis.
They would be if fuel wasn’t taxed to oblivion!