I'm far from an expert.
Is there a problem with the vehicle as such, apart from an engine mounting needing tightening.
I'd be pleased to find it had a complete new engine and not just a new oil pump and set of bearing shells and the first of its timing chain replacements.
That's not my point. Would't you have expected a Mini main dealer to have pointed out the engine replacement as a matter of good sales practice, at the very least, rather than have it emerge "accidentally" at a later date when their inability to apply the correct torque to an engine mounting bolt was "exposed".
And yes - I do realise that a car salesman won't tell you something he doesn't want you to know, if he thinks you will never find it out....if he wants to make a sale.
For me, it's not a question of whether the car is now fixed, which it is, but whether its service, or more precisely its repair history was properly represented at the time of sale. If someone told you a car you were considering buying had had its engine replaced after less than 3K miles, and two months before it was put on sale...wouldn't you be inclined to ask "why" and to see evidence that the repair had been properly and fully carried out under warranty before you handed over the cash.....how many times has anyone heard of a new car having a full engine replacement within 3K miles ?
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Having just sold my car at the end of it's 5-year factory warranty, I didn't disclose details of items replaced under warranty - why would I? I don't have a list as the customer gets no paperwork.
There is an element of truth in the theory that if an item/assembly is going to fail unexpectedly it'll do it early in its life.
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IIRC the V5 is required to be updated with new engine number, unless the same number is re-used?
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IIRC the V5 is required to be updated with new engine number, unless the same number is re-used?
Interesting point...where do I find the engine number...it doesn't seem to be on the passenger door plate which shows only the VIN ?
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Interesting point...where do I find the engine number...it doesn't seem to be on the passenger door plate which shows only the VIN ?
Try the engine, that's usually where you find the engine number. There's a clue in the words 'engine number'.
At least one modern car maker sends out replacement engines without any number on them. It's dependant on whoever fits the engine to stamp the same number as the original into the replacement.
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I can see that you are unhappy at not being informed about this (surprised the warranty dealer let the cat out of the bag TBH), but i'd be very surprised if the chap who sold it to you had the foggiest idea that a new engine had been fitted at all, doubt he even saw the stamps in the service book (if a service stamp still applies).
I could go into details of my friends engine/turbo/supercharger problems with their 4 Bini's, but it would take half a page of typing, however the very latest one (another story there) is proving to be the best of the lot, so as i said in my previous answer, you are a lot better off with a complete new engine, probably latest batch, than you would be with one that had been fixed possibly several times before you bought it.
Thngs do go wrong, it could have had a faulty clutch or a hundred other warranty faults, each would have meant some sort of replacement maybe involving deep engine or gearbox work.
Enjoy your car.
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The question here is a simple one : Have you suffered any QUANTIFIABLE loss as a result of the dealer's actions or omissions ?
The answer is obviously 'No'.
If you made it a 'make or break' that any car purchase (even for ex-demo cars like yours) you made had never had any warranty work carried out, you'd reduce the available pool of cars dramatically.
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The question here is a simple one : Have you suffered any QUANTIFIABLE loss as a result of the dealer's actions or omissions ?
The answer is obviously 'No'.
If you made it a 'make or break' that any car purchase (even for ex-demo cars like yours) you made had never had any warranty work carried out, you'd reduce the available pool of cars dramatically.
Good point.....thanks.
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Quote....", i'd be very surprised if the chap who sold it to you had the foggiest idea that a new engine had been fitted at all, doubt he even saw the stamps in the service book (if a service stamp still applies)."
As he had been driving it as his company car/demonstrator since new/first registration ..... If he didn't report the issue and book it into his own dealership service shop then I don't know who did !
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You REALLY think that most salesmen (or most people, for that matter) pay much attention to what goes on outside their own little world ?
He was driving it. It had a problem. It went into the workshop. It came back with the problem fixed. Later on, it got sold. The end.
Unfortunately, however, I think you've come on here wanting to hear certain replies. However, you aren't getting them, however.
I think it's colloquially called 'clutching at straws'. You've suffered no loss that you can show. Or do you claim that you have done so ?
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You've bought a car, found the engine's done 2800 fewer miles than the rest of the car and you're complaining?
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You've bought a car, found the engine's done 2800 fewer miles than the rest of the car and you're complaining?
No...I am simply saying it would have been better to have been advised, up front, rather than to have found out later, as a result of an issue caused by the original replacement/repair. Seems some others don't agree and I respect those opinions.
Time to close this thread, I think.
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I am simply saying it would have been better to have been advised, up front, rather than to have found out later, as a result of an issue caused by the original replacement/repair.
It seems to me that this nearly-new car would have had no service record at that age. Work has been done under warranty which should have made it fit for purpose. The OP may be better off not having to worry about that - as he seems to be doing, IMHO unnecessarily, unless he is asking what else may be wrong with it.
He might reasonably ask whether he should have been told, but as has been said, what for? If he had not been, he could with a clear conscience sell the car on later without telling the next owner .....
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You REALLY think that most salesmen (or most people, for that matter) pay much attention to what goes on outside their own little world ?
He was driving it. It had a problem. It went into the workshop. It came back with the problem fixed. Later on, it got sold. The end.
Unfortunately, however, I think you've come on here wanting to hear certain replies. However, you aren't getting them, however.
I think it's colloquially called 'clutching at straws'. You've suffered no loss that you can show. Or do you claim that you have done so ?
If you look back at my original post, I was simply asking for opinions.
Thank you for yours.
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Some rude responses here, well done all the keyboard warriors.
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Some rude responses here, well done all the keyboard warriors.
It's the way of the forum at the moment unfortuneately - some say they are just being direct and honest but rude is right.
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I can see why the OP is concerned. There is an assumption made by some here that there has been a new engine fitted. But is there a paper trail to show this? And that the car was only subject to a mechanical fault and not an incident (sump holed by rock? oil filter smashed in a head-on collision?) which wiped out the engine. Not least when, perhaps trying to trade in, the sales guy queries the basics.
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Not an assumption....there is documentation for the warranty replacement for the reason described in my original post. I have reason to believe the "fault" is a manufacturer acknowledged issue and that in such cases the engine replacement is manufacturer recommended. No reason whatsoever to believe it was the result of any accident or abnormal incident.
Just to reiterate, my issue is only the lack of information at time of purchase . In future I would ask to see both the service AND warranty replacement history for any vehicle that I intended to purchase, from whatever source, and if that information was withheld....
That is the benefit of hindsight. The fact that warranty repair details on the vehicle prior to my ownership seem to be freely available within the Mini dealership internal databases and network...accessible by interrogating the key....but NOT available to me, as the new owner, raises a number of interesting questions which I suggest are not debated here.
Many thanks to all those who added constructive comment, opinion and advice.
Edited by mcros on 30/10/2015 at 21:17
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As someone who is committed to courtesy, in all areas of life, I reread all the posts.
The only one in my view which could possibly be interpreted as rude is bathtub tom's first post. However, it can equally be read as quite lighthearted teasing fun, in my opinion (that's how I would have taken it, and I'm quite sensitive ). I don't think other posts can be considered keyboard warrior stuff.
They didn't see a problem and that was the essence of their replies.
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I can see why the OP is concerned. There is an assumption made by some here that there has been a new engine fitted. But is there a paper trail to show this?
The V5 should show an alteration in the engine ID number?
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I flagged that up earlier: not picked up. Something about a run of problems here:www.minif56.com/forum/289-mini-f56-general-discuss...l
Subject of a recall in the US. Not here though.
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