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Ford Focus - Fod Focus MK2 petrol - 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0? - K21000

Someone recently crashed into the back of my car (2005 Focus MK2 1.6 Ghia) when I was parked up as they were not paying attention. It was a heavy impact and my car is written off. I am waiting on the insurance payout and want to buy another MK 2 Focus Ghia as I love the car overall for the year/price. The only thing I did not like about mine was the engine. It was a 1.6 100hp unit. Mine only had 61k miles when I bought it, but this is what I found:

  • It was noisy when cold (sounded like tappet/valve clatter noise. Sound went when fully warm, but was always a worry.
  • Often stuttered a little going up hills with only moderate load, felt lumpy mid range.
  • Engine felt underpowered in general for the body and really felt like it needed another gear on the motorway

The car was looked after, serviced, oil changed etc. I even changed the coil packs and had the valve clearances checked (bucket and shim on this one). I don't fancy risking buying a diesel for this age/price range due to potential reliablility issues. I only want to spend about £2000-£2200 on a replacement. I was looking at possibly the 1.8 and 2.0 petrol. Insurance is not a problem for me. I know the road tax is a bit higher on these too. Can anyone recommend the best of the two and will these engines be a noticeable improvement? I know there is also a 115bhp 1.6 which I was originally trying to buy, but could not find one at the time of buying mine.

Ford Focus - Fod Focus MK2 petrol - 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0? - carl233

My take on this is that the 1.8 and 2.0 will use the Zetec-E and will be the more solid option. The 1.6 is the Zetec-SE which is a very different engine and there is nothing wrong with it but will not wear the miles that well. 300k miles are no problem for the Zetec-E with regular oil changes and ensuring the timing belt is changed as needed. The Zetec-E is the same engine that Ford used in the MK1 Focus RS which is in indication that it is very much designed for more power than in the standard forms.

Also most of the Zetec-E variants are supplied witth the more solid MTX75 gearbox whilst the 1.6 will come with the Fiesta grade IB5 gearbox.

Ford Focus - Fod Focus MK2 petrol - 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0? - John F
  • It was noisy when cold (sounded like tappet/valve clatter noise. Sound went when fully warm, but was always a worry.
  • Often stuttered a little going up hills with only moderate load, felt lumpy mid range.
  • Engine felt underpowered

Could the timing be out? Has the timing belt been changed inexpertly and is a tooth or few out on one or both cams? How far out must it be before an engine management light comes on, if indeed it does?

I am amazed by the number of degrees through which a variable camshaft pulley can be adjusted in sophisticated engines like my Audi and some BMWs - and probably many other engines I have no knowledge of.

Ford Focus - Fod Focus MK2 petrol - 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0? - FP

I've run a Focus Mk II 2-litre for some years (covering about 50,000 miles) and have been well pleased.

Few problems: return spring on clutch pedal keeps breaking. I've not bothered about it since the last time and the pedal goes right back up when your foot's off anyway. The only difference is that the clutch has a lighter feel.

I had the alternator fail soon after I got it - not a common fault, I believe. It was replaced by Kwik Fit and is still working fine.

Earlier this year, the EGR valve failed.

The car has had three new tyres in the time I've owned it and one of those was from hitting something in the road. (It was dark and I never saw what it was.)

One new battery.

It did 43 mpg last weekend going from Hertfordshire to Newcastle and back at indicated motorway speeds of 60 - 75 mph. Even in winter and with short journeys it doesn't drop below 37.

Nice car.

Edited by FP on 12/07/2015 at 17:51

Ford Focus - Ford Focus MK2 petrol - 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0? - Avant

I've had 2-litre engines in medium-sized cars for most of the last 30 years, and it's a good combination. There's plenty of performance and little loss of economy compared with a 1.6 (as you need less pressure on the accelerator to make good progress). FP's experience of good economy and longevity proves the point.

The alternative offered widely is the smaller-capacity high-power engines like the Ford 1.0 Ecoboost 125 bhp and the VW Group 1.4 TSI 150 bhp. You could argue that these give similar results, but the jury's still out on how they will cope with high mileages.

You can still get the 2.0i in BMW's 1- and 2-series, and Mazda is having something of a sales revival with its 2.0 non-turbo petrol engines. So I hope there will always continue to be a choice.

Ford Focus - Ford Focus MK2 petrol - 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0? - skidpan

My take on this is that the 1.8 and 2.0 will use the Zetec-E and will be the more solid option

Ford stopped fitting the Zetec in the Focus in 2004 when the Mk 1 finished. The Mk 2 came with the Duratec 1.8 and 2.0 which is also an excellent engine.

Ford Focus - Ford Focus MK2 petrol - 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0? - K21000

I did forget to mention that I thought about the potential of a timing issue early on after buying the car. The previous owner was a stickler and had the cam belt changed by a local garage at 45k which I thought was unusually early. I checked the garage out and how did the cam belt and they are reputable. For peace of mind, I payed Ford prices and got the timing checked at my local Ford dealership. One thing I did notice with the car though, is when I tried using the 'Cataclean' product, it made a short lived noticable difference to the smoothness. I also noticed over the last few months that the engine was doing what my old man used to call 'pinking' when cold under load. It's that kind of ping pong rattling around in a jar sound. I remember also that when this happened on my old mans 80's Ford Escort, a new distributer sorted it. Well, I bought a new coil pack and leads hoping this would cure it, but that did not work! Not distrubuters on modern cars... The car was well used every day of the week and not laboured on short distances. It had plenty of longer blasts on fast A roads over the weekends. It's a mystery I just gave up on and did not want to spend any more money on.

Ford Focus - Ford Focus MK2 petrol - 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0? - SteveLee

I'd definately get the 2 litre - pretty grunty and fuel efficient - with regular oil changes it should outlast the car!

Ford Focus - Ford Focus MK2 petrol - 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0? - K21000

I am seriously considering the 2 litre petrol, but wonder whether I should cance it by spending a little more and go for the 2 litre diesel which has basically the same performance as the petrol, but more torque and much better economy. Then again, the risk of the dreaded DMF failure, turbo and injector issues.....

Ford Focus - Ford Focus MK2 petrol - 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0? - SteveLee

How long do you want to keep the car? If the (sensible) answer is as long as it lasts - buy the petrol.

Ford Focus - Ford Focus MK2 petrol - 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0? - K21000

How long do you want to keep the car? If the (sensible) answer is as long as it lasts - buy the petrol.

Thanks, im thinking about spending about 3 grand on a car, hopefully mk2 or mk2.5 focus ghia or Titanium and keeping it until it falls apart. I don't really want to be worrying about potential expensive engine problems which I have heard are not uncommon with the diesels. The 2 litre diesel seems quite good and reliable though, but it's still a gamble I suppose. I may be better off with the 2 litre petrol after all. A friend at work has a MK1 2 litre and thinks its a great car. I am currently driving around in a 2014 1.6 diesel focus estate 1.6 hire car and although it's only the base spec, it's 6 speed and can happily hum along quitely and effortlessly at 90mph with decent economy. My 1.6 mk2 would be screaming away noisily and struggling big time at this speed! It also pulls quite well and smoothly. I wish I could keep the hire car!

Ford Focus - Ford Focus MK2 petrol - 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0? - K21000

Last question. I really want the 2.0 petrol engine for longer term realiability and piece of mind at this price range, but wonder how well it copes with general overtaking power and motorway cruising speeds compared to the 2 litre diesel. It seems the petrol is only 5 speed, even on the Titanium later models, whereas the Diesel is 6 speed and offers LOTS more torque and virtually the same top speed and BHP. My 100 bhp petrol was truly awful for overtaking (mostly impossible) and motorway higher speed cruising was very high revs, noisy, heavy on fuel and massive loss of power with even slight gradients. It was crying out for another gear, but would not have pulled it anyway! It would be good to hear from someone who has driven both the 2.0 mk2 petrol and 2.0 diesel for a comparison....

Edited by K21000 on 23/07/2015 at 21:58