Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1

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Sat 7 Feb 2015 19:06
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - johncyprus
My 22 year old daughter needs a car and has £2,000 to spend on the car itself. I can't decide which would be best between a 2007 C1 with 75,000 miles or a 2004 Toyota Yaris with 70,000 miles. I'm looking at both cars tomorrow afternoon, I reckon I can get both down to around £2,000. The advantage of the C1 is £20 tax and 55mpg but I fear that it isn't as well made as the Yaris., both cars cost the same to insure. She will be leaving Uni this year with debt so low repair bills are important. Both cars have FSH with long MOTs.

My main concern is whether a C1 will be as durable as the well proven Yaris? Which would you buy In these circumstances?

TIA

Edited by johncyprus on 07/02/2015 at 19:07

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Sat 7 Feb 2015 19:34
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - madf

The C1 was a joint venture between Peugeot,Citroen and.. Toyota.

There were several issues with early cars = read the HJ review .These should have been sorted by now.

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Sat 7 Feb 2015 19:36
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - artill

The C1 is based on the mk1 Yaris so there is quite a lot they share under the skin, but I suspect was built down to a price more than the Yaris. But the C1 is a much better drive than the Yaris. If the Yaris is a 1.3 its more at home out of town than either the 1 litre Yaris or C1. As for mpg, I got 49 from a 107 and 46 from a 1.3 Yaris in hilly Yorkshire so there really isnt anything in it.

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Sat 7 Feb 2015 20:35
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - daveyjp
C1 and its clones have French electrics and this was the achilles heel on our Aygo.
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Sat 7 Feb 2015 22:55
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - APV
Buy a Yaris.
Toyota make better, more reliable cars than Citroen.
I own a 2001 (French made) 1.0 petrol Yaris, bought as a cheap runaround two years ago for £1300.
I've had 20,000 trouble free miles, at 50 mpg.
I don't think hassle free motoring gets any cheaper.
Whatever you save on an annual tax with a C1 is insignificant when the first repair bill arrives.
Just make sure you get a got, straight car. Service history and nice even panel gaps are essential. If either is missing, walk away. Plenty of them out there, just go find another one.
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Sat 7 Feb 2015 23:45
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - alan1302
Buy a Yaris. Toyota make better, more reliable cars than Citroen. I own a 2001 (French made) 1.0 petrol Yaris, bought as a cheap runaround two years ago for £1300. I've had 20,000 trouble free miles, at 50 mpg. I don't think hassle free motoring gets any cheaper. Whatever you save on an annual tax with a C1 is insignificant when the first repair bill arrives. Just make sure you get a got, straight car. Service history and nice even panel gaps are essential. If either is missing, walk away. Plenty of them out there, just go find another one.

But the C1 is a Toyota - made in the same factory as the Aygo

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Sat 7 Feb 2015 23:13
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - Avant

I agree with the general vote for the Yaris, but shouldn't £2,000 get you something a bit newer than 2004?

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Sun 8 Feb 2015 10:17
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - P3t3r

You haven't said which engine is in the Yaris. If it's a 1.0 Yaris, then both cars will have the same engine! As somebody else has mentioned, there were a few issues with the early C1's, but if you check for these things, it could still be a good buy. After the early ones they started using the Yaris' clutch, so if your clutch has been replaced, it should last a long time. I have a C1, it's very cheap to run, easy to drive, and has been reliable so far (only 4 years old). The Yaris is heavier, so probably won't be as nippy as the C1 if it has the same engine.

Having said that, I think the Yaris will probably be a good car too. If it was me, I would probably have a look at both cars and go for the one which looks/feels best.

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Sun 8 Feb 2015 16:53
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - Wukl

I think if it were my daughter, I'd want her in whichever of these two is the safer and more reliable. A few quid or there on mpg or road tax can be wiped-out in an instant if repairs are continually needed. And a more reliable car is also a safer car leaving the driver less vulnerable to roadside incidents. That's before you consider NCAP rating for the more widespread view of safety.

I have only personal experience of one of these two, so I can't really comment on their relative merits. Let us know how you get on.

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Sun 8 Feb 2015 16:56
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - Avant

I should have added - if you go for the Yaris, choose a 1.3. It's a lot livelier and not much less economical.

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Sun 8 Feb 2015 17:41
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - Auristocrat

The Aygo/C1/107 are produced by a Joint Venture between Toyota and PSA in the Czech Republic. So the C1 isn't a Toyota - it is a product of the Joint Venture.

It was a new design and isn't based on the Yaris, but there may be some shared components.

The 1 litre engine in a 2004 Yaris is a different engine to the 1.0 Aygo - the earlier Yaris 1.0 litre was a 4 cylinder unit, whereas the Aygo engine is a 3 cylinder unit. The 3 cylinder engine replaced the 4 cylinder in the Yaris from the second generation launched in 2006.

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Mon 9 Feb 2015 09:40
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - madf

The C1 3 cyclinder engine was used in the Mark2 Yaris and almost all the engine ancillaries are the same. As as parts of the braking system and suspension and various switches.. (I belive many have Toyota part numbers)

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Mon 9 Feb 2015 12:47
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - Chris M

Agree ma*** The original air filter in my C1 had Toyota printed on it and it's possible to swop the wiper stalk for others in the Toyota range to get variable intermitent wipe.

Also, in my experience, the C1 is fitted with Toyota reliability rather than Citroen's (allegedly).

Edited by Chris M on 09/02/2015 at 12:48

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Mon 9 Feb 2015 12:49
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - Chris M

Why doesn't the swear filter like df.?

Edited by Chris M on 09/02/2015 at 12:49

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Mon 9 Feb 2015 12:55
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - gordonbennet

I'm impressed by the family Aygo, to be fair its benefitted from some much needed soundproofing (and replacement of the dreadful standard radio/speakers) and a search here will find the thread if of interest.

The only real problem with the pre facelift model C1/107/Aygo is the small clutch, prone top wearing quickly and uprated to larger diameter at facelift, easy upgrade when and if it needs changing.

Relatively simple to work on with cheap parts and tyres, but i would suggest cleaning the subframes/suspension off when the salt has gone and spraying liberally the whole underside with a good rustproofing wax.

I like the little 3 pot, far more torque from that little thing than many other small engines.

Edited by gordonbennet on 09/02/2015 at 12:56

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Mon 9 Feb 2015 21:38
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - johncyprus

Checked out the C1 and it wasn't a good one; the clutch only bit at the top so I suspected the clutch was on the way out and there was a break in the service record so I walked away. The owner of the Toyota Yaris didn't come back to me or reply to my call so I'm discounting that.
I did get the impression that the C1 was not built to the high standard of the Yaris and I'm impressed by the number of 1999 registration and older Yaris one sees on the roads so I'm going to bide my time and wait for a nice low mileage Yaris to come my way.
Thanks for all the replies
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Tue 10 Feb 2015 22:53
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - Avant

"I did get the impression that the C1 was not built to the high standard of the Yaris...."

That's quite possible. Although a lot of Yarises (possibly all) for the European market are built in France, the components and manufacturing process come from Japan.

The Ci/1076/Aygo are built somewhere in Central Europe - I'm not sure where the components come from or where the manufacturing process was devised.

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Tue 10 Feb 2015 23:27
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - Auristocrat

The 1.0 petrol and 1.4 diesel engines for the Yaris come from the Toyota engine plant in Poland, and the 1.33 petrol from the Toyota engine plant in Deeside.

The 1.0 litre engines for the Aygo/C1/107/108 come from Toyota Poland, and the 1.2 litre engines used in the C1/108 are PSA units built at the PSA Douvrin engine plant.

The Joint Venture that produces the Aygo/C1/107/108 is based in the Czech Republic. Toyota manages production and the Joint Venture uses the Toyota Production System (TPS).

All of the European Yaris range is now built in France, and the French plant exports versions of the Yaris to the US for sale in that market. Although later this year, a new US market Yaris will be based on the new Mazda 2, and will be built by Mazda for Toyota in Mexico.

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Wed 11 Feb 2015 12:55
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - Chris M

My C1 is 4 1/2 years old and covered 35k miles. Certainly it has a cheap and cheerfullish air about it BUT, it's been 100% reliable, it hasn't needed anything other than routine service items, it has no rattles, nothing has dropped off, everything works as it should and the interior trim shows no sign of wear. For a cheap little car, I can't fault.

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Sat 14 Feb 2015 17:01
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - johncyprus
Always nice when a thread is topped and tailed so reporting back with news of the 2005 Yaris I.3 I bought yesterday: 5 door one owner 79k MOT till March 2016 and just serviced with FSH all bills and all MOTs. It's black which I'll have to get used to. it was a private advert in my local newsagents window, I didn't realise people still did that but some elderly folk won't use computers. The owner was selling it because it was 10 years old! Very pleased and all for £1750.

Very pleased I chose this over the C1. Initially I've got the car insured by Saga who will let me mirror my max NCB; I was surprised that the Honda Jazz is costing more to insure ( just me to drive at present ) than my other car, a Mercedes CLK320.

Edited by johncyprus on 14/02/2015 at 17:07

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Sat 14 Feb 2015 17:20
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - oldroverboy.
It's black which I'll have to get used to.

Colour immaterial to me.

When I get a newish car I take whatever colour there is, hence the cruze was silver, the rio is metallic blue..

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Sat 14 Feb 2015 23:10
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - bathtub tom

When I get a newish car I take whatever colour there is, hence the cruze was silver, the rio is metallic blue..

Same here. I recently bought a siver car, the third in succession.

Once bought a car and had to drive past it to let wife and daughters know what colour it was - I hadn't a clue.

Paint's there to stop the iron from rusting. Does it serve any other purpose?

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Sun 15 Feb 2015 01:04
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - alan1302

Paint's there to stop the iron from rusting. Does it serve any other purpose?

Can make a car looks better or worse depending on the colour and the car. I find the colour of a car very important to how a car looks.

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Sat 14 Feb 2015 18:04
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - Avant

Sounds like a good choice - let's hope all goes well.

Presumably your daughter is on the insurance as the main driver?

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Sat 14 Feb 2015 19:34
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - gordonbennet

Sounds good, elderly owners and cared for car, yummy.

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Sun 15 Feb 2015 08:27
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - Chris M

Sounds like the OP may have picked up a goodun. Black wouldn't be my first choice, but on a 10 year old car, it would be well down the list of boxes that need ticking.

But I don't think that "elderly owner and cared for car" is necessarily always a good thing. Can be, but it can also equal lots of short journeys with 4,000 rpm/slipping clutch whilst manouvering and then never getting above 35mph on the road.

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Sun 15 Feb 2015 08:35
Toyota Yaris v Citreon C1 - dan86

if the history and all the paperwork is there to back it up then it should be a goodun I've no problem with buying old or high milage cars as long as the paperwork is there to back everything up.

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