Dont you just hate it when that happens !
I was late getting back to my car as I had to wait in the Opticians to pick up my new specs.....
No its funny this !
When I got back to my car There was a ticket on it £ 25.00 OUCH, but when I looked closely, with my new glasses, I noticed that the traffic warden needs to pay a visit to the optician too, as he had got one of the letters wrong, and nowhere on the ticket does it mention the make, colour of vehicle etc.
So what are my chances of avoiding paying the fine ?
Surely if the warden couldn't read the letters on my numberplate - 3 inches or so high - how could we be sure he could read the time on the ticket or the time on his watch ?
Also if they interrogate the police computer it will come back with nothing to link this registration number to me.
What do you think ?
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Presumably, if you don't pay up promptly, the fine will increase by (guesses from experience!) 100%, if they manage to trace you, which sounds pretty unlikely to me.
So you might get away with paying nowt, or may have to cough 50 squids.
I'd gamble, it's obviously up to you, but it really does seem unlikely they'll trace you to me.
Andy
ps. Don't send the bill to me!
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Gamble!!! Gamble!!! Gamble!!!
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If you don't gamble on this, when will you ever? Life is for living, seize the day, look authority in the eye and face them down. If you luck out, your last ever act as you depart this earth will be a slight chuckle that you got one over on them. If you own up, well, the shame, the shame of cravenly accepting!
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If it's a council warden then you should be OK. With anything that goes through the Police ticket office, a VODS check is possible. This searched no plates for the correct combination. Although without a make and colour the chances are effectively nil of tracing the ticket to you.
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Surely this ticket is invalid as it does not have the correct reg no on it. There is due process for a reason and if it is not followed then the authorities canot enforce it.
After all, if you did not follow the due process (such as buying a valid parking ticket, or feeding the meter) then you do not have any comeback if you are caught.
Due process is there to protect both sides.
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Assuming the ticket is the type where the only details recorded are shown on both your copy and the retained copy, then I can't see any way this could be followed up. They can't try combinations until they find a match as there is no way they can be sure they are correct without more car details.
My only concern might be that the warden may record more details than are shown on the ticket and they may be able to use this to trace their mistake. Still, even then I think you'd have a good case for at least getting away with the original fine as you could claim you thought someone put their ticket on your car as you had a similar reg and they were trying to get away without paying.
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Happened to me once Mr F. A cop who'd written me a ticket got the last letter of the regn. wrong and they never followed it up ! Mind you, in those days I don't think they doubled the amount if you failed to pay quick-smart !
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Surely the ticket must have been put on the wrong vehicle.......
Cockle
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Had similar thing in car park where lifts were not working and the ground floor is full (50 odd spaces) of disabled spaces, but no cars to fill them (bless the council). We have two young children and we didn't fancy trying to go up and down stairs with prams etc. So we parked in a disabled space and received a ticket, but they (wardens) had reversed two letters.
I didnt pay the fine as it was issued incorrectly. I didn't hear a thing after.
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We have two young children and we didn't fancy trying to go up and down stairs with prams etc. So we parked in a disabled space and received a ticket.
So why didn't you think to drop your passengers and prams off on the ground floor and then drive up to the appropriate floor and walk back down?
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There was a case similar to this on the TV. The parking adjudicator cancelled the ticket on the grounds that the ticket has to be absolutely correct.
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Toads philosphy is very appealing.
Had the same thing when I rolled a bit of double white line up when I was part time white vanning it. Plod gave me a ticket with wrong VRM. I wrote off saying that it was not me as I didnt drive a van with that number. Come the 27th day and no response so I went in and paid. Why did I pay? Firstly, my father instilled in me to be honourable and I was guilty. Secondly Plod could take me to Court and give evidence that he had seen me do it and had my personal details and on the balance of things I considered I would be found Guilty. Did get a reply 35 days later saying no chance of NFA.
Now for this one a LA Parking fine. Taking it logically. You don't pay. They check the VRM and it comes up so completely different with the make colour the TW may have recorded so there could be an immediate NFA.
But they go ahead and send request for payment to the Reg Keeper who writes back very indignant with some proof that it wasn't him. The Adjudicator accepts and NFA or as he could do lets the ticket stand and the fine is then recorded against the Reg Keeper who either pays (doubtful) or is then subject to civil proceedings for debt recovery including a bad reference on his Credit rating.
County Court may or may not believe him. CC do not believe it wasn't him so in go the Baliffs. By this time it is Christmas and the kids wants pressies but cannot because the Baliffs have seized goods. Not a happy household if you get my drift
Meanwile, the perpetrator of the offence is sat at home smug in the knowledge he beat the system by not accepting responsibility for his action.
Well Toad you still of the same opinion?
DVD (Who is by the way no Saint)
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DVD: My first set of points they got the make and model of car wrong (but reg right). I paid up and regret it to this day.
Well Toad you still of the same opinion?
I still am. If the courts want to chase innocent people that is entirely their responsibility. It is not for the guilty to make the case for the prosecution nor for the innocent to prove their innocence.
Also many people in these camera infested days find their cars cloned so there must be a method for dealing with this.
However you make a pretty good case on an emotional level so a half way house solution would be to check on one of the insurance sites if the offending number is registered to a uk car.
Then there's the moral aspect which is unanswerable.
I've just relised I've seperated out the moral aspect from the main body of the argument. On a rare visit to church a few weeks back I remember the vicar specifically warning of the dangers of keeping the moral 'self' in a different box to the rest or your life.
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If you want to check to see if the registration given is in use go to
www.aamembership.co.uk/motoringandtravel/ucdc/inde...p
I don't think it's 100% accurate, but it's got to be better than nothing.
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PM1 and MH1 are on the vehicles I last saw them on!
Couldn't find the yellow beemer reg Marcus because I can't work out how the guy wrote 'marcus'.
M4 CUS is the only way I can think of and it's doesn't exist.
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If you want to check to see if the registration given is in use go to www.aamembership.co.uk/motoringandtravel/ucdc/inde...p I don't think it's 100% accurate, but it's got to be better than nothing.
Er, why would you pay £35 to avoid paying a £30 fine? (scratches head and wanders off)
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Don't pay. Just follow the link, put the number plate in and then walk away. You don't want to do a full vehicle history check, just find out if the plate is in use. For that, it's free.
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Don't pay. Just follow the link, put the number plate in and then walk away. You don't want to do a full vehicle history check, just find out if the plate is in use. For that, it's free.
Aha! (wanders back in smiling and nodding).
Sorry for being a little dense.
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Does this site work? I keep getting 'Connection Reset by Peer' whatever that means...
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The site does work.
I tried it for a couple of known vehicles (cars & bikes) and it came up trumps each time.
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Reading something today which confirmed my thought when this thread was live. The County Court would be unlikely to be concerned with the facts of the offence once the Adjudicator has had his say. The only way to contest the adjudicators decision is Judicial Review; a high risk strategy for a £60 parking ticket.
The proceedings brought in the Cty Ct would be the issue of an order for recovery of an unpaid charge. This is not a further avenue of appeal, it simply facilitates use of the bailiff to enforce what is already regarded as a court judgement. The recipient can object by making a statutory declaration but only on the grounds that:
a) He did not receive the original notice to owner
b) Representations made to the LA did not receive a rejection notice
c) He has appealed to the Parking Adjudicator against the LA rejection but has had no response.
False declarations are an offence under the perjury act carrying the risk if two years in the slammer, and all that follows.
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Mr Fox, Just rip it up and forget about it! If you worry about any consequences which may or may not happen you will only get yourself stressed out. Don't worry it's not worth it, life's too short etc, etc.
VD5D.
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Just checked the AA site out. Ran through the number plate of a car I scrapped in 1992 and it came up as being an existing plate on the same type of car.
Now either someone felt it worthwhile to clone a 1986 Cavalier that was rusted to death without a straight panel on it, or they only tell you the car no longer exists after you've paid your £35.
Just to check I also ran through a 1978 Golf I scrapped in 1988. Same result.
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Interesting I too thought of this potential failure and checked with my scrapped rover 414 and it came up unknown.
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Just checked and the number which is on the ticket came up as unknown.......
Also Checked a 1975 Ford Granada which we sold in 1980, and it came up with the details, I doubt whether this is still on the road.
plus numerous other cars which I know have been scrapped - including a 1961 vauxhall VX 4 90 perhaps it just records whether the number has ever been issued.
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So you pay £35 and might get some accurate info.
I see a business opportunity. Anyone want to post me a cheque for £20 (cheaper than the AA) and I will tell you absolutely nothing of any use or accuracy. But there will be a disclaimer to the effect that it ain't my fault, guv. I wasn't even there.
I have to say this is a bit alarming, to say the least!
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Double checked.
I juxtaposed a couple of numbers.
The scrapped rover *is* recognised as a current car.
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The mark 1 escort I learned to drive in 28 years ago is recognised as a current car
every car i've owned since (bar one) is showing as a current car
Now that Yugo 45 was falling apart when I got rid of it 14 or 15 years ago, so i'd really like to know what state it is in now !
I have to grow old - but I don't have to grow up
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Well I would not have a lot of faith with the AA check.I just put my personal reg number in and it came back as belonging to a Ford Transit.
The number has been on my car for about 4.5 years.
But then again,maybe I could get away with a few indiscretions.
Maybe I have without even knowing it !
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It's not good at personal numbers, I'll give you that. e.g., P45SAT is a VW press car, unsurprisingly. It didn't find that.
On the other hand, just because a car is long dead, doesn't mean that you want it to disappear from the database. If you spent £35 getting the info, you'd find that the car had been scrapped. (Don't forget that a scrapped car can be restored and re-registered).
That's exactly what you want to find out - written off and scrapped cars are the ones that need to be in the database, far more than clean, 1 lady owner, full MDSH cars whose full history is in the glovebox anyway.
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My daughter's personal plate came up correctly with her car.
This was put on 3 years ago.
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