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Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - Firmbutfair

Those who drive may care to comment on this letter I just sent to Citroen UK:

Dear Citroen Engineering and Marketing Departments,

1) I am surprised to see your recent full back page advert in my copy of The Spectator, as above, dated 9 August 2014.

2) The whole theme of the DS3 being a "Like a true fashion icon' is fine accompanied by the headline "Light Reveals You" but who on earth FORGOT that we have to share the roads with other drivers and that to include the reference to the "brand new Xenon Full LED light signature" followed by the proud claim that they are "Dazzling, hypnotic and ultra-customisable" is hardly what any responsible manufacturer should be claiming or offering for sale.

3) If these new head lights truly are dazzling - then you need to redesign them and turn the power down in a properly focussed way, until they are not dazzling - even the 'stray' light from regular XENON head lamps, set on the 'dipped beam' can momentarily dazzle or blind an oncoming driver, and when viewed on main beam they can be more than dangerous for approaching drivers. So to seek to further supplement this current technology with an even brighter, whiter, more dazzling LED enhanced Xenon light source seems to be both unnecessary and highly irresponsible.

4) With careful design of the headlamp optics and lamp assemblies, it should be possible to reduce the intensity of the 'stray light' on dipped beam, to an acceptable level that does not dazzle the oncoming driver. Indeed, when driving along country lanes at night it should be possible to build in a sensor that detects the lights from any oncoming car and then automatically switches your head lights from 'full power on main beam' to 'a lower power on dipped beam', as per traditional Halogen headlamp bulbs rated at 60/55 watts.

5) However to actually be proud that your latest DS3 cars will dazzle everybody is HIGHLY IRRESONSIBLE.

6) In any event, your marketing staff who write these adverts should be made aware that the Concise Oxford Dictionary definition is:

DAZZLE "blind temporarily or confuse the sight of by an excess of light"

7) Is this what you intended or not - do your staff use words so loosely and is there no 'sanity check' or scrutiny of material before it goes to press ?

8) Either way you and your team need to take responsibility for what you create - granted, we would all like to be able to see our path ahead clearly and to see round the corner as well, so that we can drive briskly but safely under all night time driving conditions but to actually deliberately set out to 'blind' any oncoming driver in a less well equipped car is positively unacceptable.

9) I trust that others will notice and comment in a similar vein about this most disturbing advert and that as a responsible car manufacturer with an almost unmatched auto mobile heritage, you will take all necessary actions to remedy the situation.

Yours sincerely, Andrew C

C.Eng, MIET, B.Eng (Hons)

Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - RicardoB

Hear hear!

I have also seen this campaign in the DT and other papers and thought much the same - but not quite in the in-depth technical details as per your letter. But I did think how ironic the campaign is.

In previous postings on here in the past, I have apologised for the fact that my car has these awful Xenon lights (no choice, fitted as standard) and I KNOW that I am dazzling people both those coming towards me, and vehicles in front as my lights fill the interior of their car, even from a distance away.

Unlike perfectly adequate normal lights, there isn't a dash control to lower the aim of the beam, and being allegedly self levelling, I guess that is the reason.

Of course, one day they will go wrong and will no doubt cost a fortune to sort out.

I wonder whether you will get a (genuine) reply? Best not hold breath for too long - not good for you!

Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - oldtoffee

Are you seriously suggesting that Citroen used the word "dazzling" to mean that they will blind oncoming drivers?

The OED also explain dazzling as "amaze or overwhelm (someone) with a particular impressive quality" which I suggest is what they aimed to do with the advert.

You could fill the rest of your days picking holes in vehicle manufacturers adverts. Maybe you could go into partnership with this chap

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2659053/Schoolboy...l

and then we can sleep safe at night!

Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - RicardoB

Good for Albert!

What's the betting that the BMW customer services chap assumed that being an "Albert" made the lad a grumpy old Meldrew?

And as for their advertising department, I would have thought it would have been dreamt up by some agency with strange names where the creatives, if they are chaps, no doubt have pony tails (or whatever the current fad is in the happening world of ad agencies).

Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - gordonbennet

Indeed, all power to Alberts pen and keyboard, he's fighting a losing battle but that never deterred old fashioned British stalwarts, whatever the reason for his individuality the current clone brainwashing method hasn't worked on him, ''The force is strong in this one Obi-Wan''...maybe the BBC will succeed where school programming has failed.:-)

No i don't suppose the Citroen ad was meant to be taken literally re dazzling other road users, its just another advertisment for another euro box...pity they've covered the thing in silly lights (like nearly everything else in an effort to be individual) because DS3 happens to be one of the prettiest small hatches around and would sell itself well enough.

The MINI thing has been a fantastic success, this is Citroen trying to get a share of the fashion market.

Edited by gordonbennet on 12/08/2014 at 09:05

Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - RobJP

However, if you really want a laugh, then I'd suggest you go and sit in an Evoque, and switch on the lights, so that the dash/instrument panel lights come on.

I was sat in the back of one last weekend. It's comfortable, the leather is good quality, there's even (surprisingly, given the shape of it) plenty of room in the back - at least in the 5 door version.

However, even the driver apologised about the instrument panel lighting. I seem to recall that JLR had a 'designed by Victoria Beckham' bit a few years ago, and it's the worst sort of blingy chavishness imaginable.

Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - Cyd

I wonder if the Luddites of the age said the same thing about those dazzling new halogen lights that were just coming in on cars in the 80's?

MY Saabs bi-xenon lights have an extremely well defined cutoff on dip. If I park against the garage door it is completely dark above the cutoff line - unlike my wifes C1 with halogens which provides a rich multicoloured pattern all the way up the door.

I have, of course, ensured that my lights are properly adjusted (I like them just below level for max range with min oncoming dazzle).

Frankly I wouldn't drive behind anything else now.

Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - gordonbennet

I find lights like those horrible Cyd, very bright lit section but total darkness beyond exacerbated due to the brightness of the lit section.

Each to their own, they're not for me.

What never fails to astound is the number of drivers who don't appear to know they have a main beam at all....one that sticks in mind i got stuck behind a Punto for a short while with light pattern similar to the ones you describe on an unlit B standard country road on a very dark dry night, this Punto was down to about 25mph and even that was pushing it due to the total black out in front of the too low beam cut off, not another car on the road yet not a clue about main beam.

Once i'd nipped by 60 was an easy cruise on mains.

Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - Firmbutfair

Well, here is the reply I recived from Citroen UK:

Hi Malcolm,


Thank you for your email to Citroën.

We appreciate all forms of feedback and your comments have been logged for future review.

If there’s anything else I can do for you, please let me know and I’ll be happy to help you can either reply by email or call our Customer Support Line on 0800 023 4000 Option 1.

Kind regards


Selcuk Baris
Citroën UK

Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - RicardoB

Haha - no surprise there then.

"Remember, your call is important to us".

Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - drd63
Andrew, regardless of the rights or wrongs of your argument I think you were lucky to get any response from Citroen.
Using capitals within text as you have done just comes across as rude and shouty which tends not to be conducive to a sympathetic response.
Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - HandCart

Even those vertical strips of DRLs they put on the DS3s are ruddy dazling in your mirror when one's behind you, even in the daytime.

It mustn't just be me, either: A colleague, completely unknowing of my opinion, also singled-out the DS3's DRLs as especially irritating.

Thanks a bunch, Citroen.

Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - HandCart

I just went out in the car at lunchtime. Became aware of a car behind catching me up. Looked in the interior rear-view mirror - it's a Citroen DS3.

Return eyes to looking out the windscreen. Two sets of green pearl-strings in my vision, eyes open and when blinking. Arghh!! Dang!!

WHY have they made those DRLs so stupid stupid bright?!?!

Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - Smileyman

Ah, I had not thought of the DS3, looking to replace my Primera and want a car with Xenons, I value and enjoy the exrtra light output these headlights give

Citroen DS3 - DS3 Xenon Full LED H/L, a Dazzling Fashion Icon ! - Cyd

A wide range of cars have xenons as standard or optional equipment. Just check the brochures. Try to choose bi-xenon if you can (that way you're getting a xenon high beam as well as dip, though it's more of an advantage with the higher power [read faster] versions).